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Quoting: whizseOh dear, a bit more on the vulgar side that one, but I'll stick it in the old vocab for later use!

It's not a real word - it's only as vulgar as you imagine it to be, hehehehe!

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Quoting: GamallThey're remasters in the sense that they are based on the actual, original source code for D1 and D2, which were released long ago (1997 for D1).

So now all Descent games are open-source.

Not really Decent, rebirth doesn't come with the game data. You have to buy it yourself, so does Descent2.de. It looks that this one is too. It's not really open source, in my opinion, because while the engine is now open sourced, the game data is not. I think it's kind of disingenuous to call it an open source game when the game in entirely isn't open source. Just the game engine.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guythe sequel had some awkward crappy 3d

Ahh, the [what's the opposite of golden?] era of computer gaming.

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Happy Ubuntu user for more that a decade here
For both business (Ubuntu being my main daily workload driver) and pleasure (anything non-job related, incl. gaming of course).

I just cannot wait to get migrated to the new 24.04 LTS

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Interesting conversation here with icculus trying to figure out if he can release the source for the modern Linux port:

"Okay, I'll email Hervé later today and see if he'll let me release my changes. It couldn't hurt to ask, right?"

From https://github.com/kevinbentley/Descent3/issues/9

Fingers crossed 🤞

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Quoting: PyrateAnd if Proton is easier to deal with, what could be the downsides?

Honestly not much but it used to be a bigger pain in the butt until VERY recently. Before, you had to install a game, then select a Proton version, then boot it up, then see what's missing, then use Winetricks to install the missing dependencies, then rinse and repeat until the game finally works. Mind you, this is ignoring the fact that game-breaking bugs could show up mid-session so you'd have to exit the game and find out what the problem was online.

Nowadays, 99% of games work with the latest version of Proton out of the box and the ones that don't are either never intended to work (like multiplayer games with invasive anti-cheat) or listed on ProtonDB with very quick fixes.

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Quoting: NathanaelKStottlemyerI think those are game engine remasters, while this one is the actual game. I could be mistaken though.

They are based on the original source code release (not FLOSS sadly):
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/descent-source-code-released/1100-2462520/

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Quoting: elmapulthis was like, my first PC game ever!
im not even kidding, it was not my first gaming system since i had an n64, but when i saw the graphics i was stunned.

anyway i never finished it =p

Yeah, this game came free with my Voodoo graphics card, and I loved it.

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Quoting: PenglingSee also, "twunt", which Spider also picked up from me and seemed most amused by.

Oh dear, a bit more on the vulgar side that one, but I'll stick it in the old vocab for later use!

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Whoa, may be i will be able to play game i paid for?

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What next?
7 Days to die?

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Hmmm . . . looks a lot more like the original than the sequel made back in the day, that hardly anyone ever talks about. I kind of liked that sequel, actually. It came out at a time when the appearance of stuff was often kind of cringe, so where the original was decent cartoony 2d, the sequel had some awkward crappy 3d if I remember right. But it had some good stuff.

Anyway, looking forward to this.

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Would this be able to remove the steamdeck prefix from games like Atomic Heart, where graphics settings have been removed for deck users? Could it prevent steam input API from registering in games where it's forced and prevents using KB&M inputs bound to face buttons on deck, like how Warframe does it?

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Quoting: PyrateRealistically speaking, what could be so bad if Proton became the de-facto Linux support method for all games, including games that would've had Native Linux support if the developers were generous enough? I'm a new Linux user and I've been thinking about this.

There are a few practical issues with WINE/Proton that are more or less unsolvable by design:

- Slower startup times (compare `wine simple_program.exe` with `./simple_program` of a native Linux binary). This is especially the case if the WINE prefix needs to be updated following a WINE update, in which case it can take 10+ seconds.
- Larger file size – a WINE prefix isn't small, especially if you use one prefix per game. WINE updates often tend to dominate in terms of file size compared to other programs (at least if you use system WINE, but it's a similar deal with Proton). I think only LaTeX competes here in terms of large updates in distribution repositories :)

These are not dealbreakers for gaming, but a native port is still ideal when it's well-maintained.

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Quoting: NathanaelKStottlemyerI think those are game engine remasters, while this one is the actual game. I could be mistaken though.

They're remasters in the sense that they are based on the actual, original source code for D1 and D2, which were released long ago (1997 for D1).

So now all Descent games are open-source.

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Quoting: sonic2kkI'll keep a cautious eye on this, but at worst, we can stick to the tried and true ARCADE GAME SERIES: PAC-MAN (there are better ways to play Pac-Man, but this is convenient and legal.)

I genuinely love those re-releases, and wish they had done more of them! (Mappy, please! ) They may be barebones, but they're to-the-point and work as they should, and they're really cheap in sales.

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Here's hoping there's no Anti-Cheat nonsense, even if it's got Proton support enabled this just adds yet another lifespan to the game (not to mention more Epic Games junk).

I'll keep a cautious eye on this, but at worst, we can stick to the tried and true ARCADE GAME SERIES: PAC-MAN (there are better ways to play Pac-Man, but this is convenient and legal.)

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Quoting: CreakWhat's the difference between RetroDeck and EmuDeck?

Emudeck has more emus.

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Quoting: PyrateI see, though I think that can also be applied to Linux Native ports too, no? whenever they get broken, fixes are usually rare from what I read, I'm asking here because like I said, I'm new and I wouldn't know how native ports went, what I hear nowadays is that the majority of the native builds are broken/worse than if with Proton.

Yes, this does happen. Numerous Linux ports have been completely abandoned, left to rot, or dropped entirely.

At least with Proton, being open source (and based on Wine), the maintained version can continue to be improved upon using it.

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Quoting: PyrateRealistically speaking, what could be so bad if Proton became the de-facto Linux support method for all games, including games that would've had Native Linux support if the developers were generous enough?

Because in practice, proton "support" often means ignore it and let Valve deal with any issues. I think I can count the number of devs that actually fixed something to get it running better (or at all) on proton on one hand.

I see, though I think that can also be applied to Linux Native ports too, no? whenever they get broken, fixes are usually rare from what I read, I'm asking here because like I said, I'm new and I wouldn't know how native ports went, what I hear nowadays is that the majority of the native builds are broken/worse than if with Proton.

So let me reiterate my question: From what I see, the work required to maintain 2 different versions of a game is generally too great for most dev teams, when taking into account the financial cost behind this. Call it laziness or whatever. Native Linux ports are a rarity, and so, Proton appears to be the reality we're going to have to accept, for better or worse. So, what is worse here? Bearing in mind that the only scenario where we start getting properly supported ports is if the market shifts to Linux (never).

I think the number of devs who'd fix something in Proton is the same number of whom would bother to make a native build anyways. And if Proton is easier to deal with, what could be the downsides? this is basically asking my original question again but better.

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I already have it on my Deck. Is it also a good experience on desktop?
I thought by their own description that their UX is made exclusively for the Deck.

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Very nice! I'll look into the possibility of integrating it with luxtorpeda - https://github.com/luxtorpeda-dev/packages/issues/1188

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I have a 7 year old laptop which had Ubuntu 23.10 on it up until a week ago. I then installed NixOS on it with Plasma 6 (Wayland) and my battery life, what feels like doubled... Performance has also been absolutely amazing. I don't game on it or anything else requiring a lot of performance, but online video viewing like YouTube and Rumble, some light programming (compiling) and other office type tasks have all performed better than on Ubuntu (Gnome) and again, the battery life is just mindblowing.

No idea if it's Plasma 6, NixOS, Ubuntu being bloated or what have you but I absolutely love it.

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Quoting: NathanaelKStottlemyerDon't mean to be rude, but only Decent3? What about 2 and 1!?! I can't play them out of order!!!

They already have fantastic open-source ports.

https://www.descent2.de/
https://www.dxx-rebirth.com/

I think those are game engine remasters, while this one is the actual game. I could be mistaken though.

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this was like, my first PC game ever!
im not even kidding, it was not my first gaming system since i had an n64, but when i saw the graphics i was stunned.

anyway i never finished it =p

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As long as Nintendo doesn't come after Ryujinx, it sounds like something I may checkout in the future when I get done with my never ending backlogs

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Fallout 4 for $5 is awfully tempting.

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Quoting: Geppeto35Then I create a character, then I try to interact with one of the object on the first desk from the very start (in the room of the character) ... got back to the Desktop directly.
Tried on my dual boot on windows, same experience on the same object... Seriously? Supposed to be a AAA game or something like that, but no credit in this company to do stuff seriously?

This is why many people like to call them Bugthesda for a reason

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Quoting: CreakWhat's the difference between RetroDeck and EmuDeck?

Different project, different people, different goals, and so on, and so forth; but in terms of actual usage I think it mostly comes down to RetroDeck puts an entry in your gaming mode Deck, and EmuDeck puts an entry in your gaming mode Deck for each game.

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Quoting: PyrateRealistically speaking, what could be so bad if Proton became the de-facto Linux support method for all games, including games that would've had Native Linux support if the developers were generous enough?

Because in practice, proton "support" often means ignore it and let Valve deal with any issues. I think I can count the number of devs that actually fixed something to get it running better (or at all) on proton on one hand.

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