Quoting: Linux_RocksAlso, sorry if I came off as rude. I'd never wanna be rude to you. I just can't stand entitled crybabies that exist in PC gaming, and this whole "ordeal" is just a great example of that to me.

Hey, no worries! You only came across as having strong feelings on the matter, rather than rude, so it's all good. Besides, we're all grown-ups here, differing opinions exist, which is how it should be, and I'm cool with that, which is also how it should be.

I totally get where you're coming from - I'm just seeing it from a different angle, myself. There's a really interesting breakdown by a lawyer, here - it's all worth reading as it's not too long, but "7. Ratification - When Complacency Bites You" is a particularly interesting segment.

Quoting: scaineThink I said before, but the PSN account requirement was clearly marked on the site page. Yes, they should have enforced it from day one, but it's been there since March, when I bought the game.

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As I understand it, it's this that people are peeved about*. Supposedly the Helldivers 2 page on Sony's website and the EULA also both suggested/stated that linking a PSN account to your Steam account was optional, per the original FAQ, though I can't confirm that as it's not a game I'd play and thus I'm not in a position to have seen either of those before they were changed.

*Well, this and the fact the game was knowingly sold in almost 200 countries that can't sign up for PSN accounts, plus some where you're required to purchase the console and make the account on there first.

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Quoting: JahimselfThe very beginning of their answer shows they already are biased, and probably people from the industry have explained them how thing should work according to their sole interest dismissing any purchaser's claim. I.e: complicated to maintain game that are not maintained, and then throw money and publishing a "patch" that solely stop old OS/platform to access the game and not fixing anything.

It does sound very "coached"! That's about what I expected, considering that previous governments did things like allowing the biggest nationwide video game store chain to buy up their only rival, with the justification being that you could buy FIFA and shovelware in supermarkets and thus that represented proper competition in the marketplace.

Sadly, we can't expect those who don't care to understand technology to properly manage matters pertaining to it (we are talking about people who think that it's ok and appropriate to use famously data-gathering social-media applications on government hardware, after all).

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Quotesince release, HELLDIVERS 2 has stated on the Steam page "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)". It has been there all along, although you do have to scroll down a bit to see it. However, due to overwhelmingly demand initially when it released, they didn't force it.

It's also worth noting that, until May 3rd, Sony's own FAQ mentioned that linking PSN accounts to Steam was optional for PlayStation-branded PC games, and they changed that right before saying that there had been a grace-period for Helldivers 2.

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Quoting: musojon74I mean have you seen the review bombing on steam? It’s not a good look for them. Maybe they’ll change their minds ( maybe I’m being overly hopeful though )

One of their community-managers has stated that it's unrealistic to expect people to sign up for additional accounts, and is encouraging negative reviews and refund-requests. Apparently that gives them more power to attempt to get Sony to rewind their TOS to its state prior to May 3rd, where the PSN thing was stated by Sony to be optional for PlayStation PC games.

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Quoting: Linux_RocksThen just do it on their website with the country most relevant then? Like one that speaks the same language, or go with a Japanese, UK, Singapore (Hong Kong for Nintendo), or US account? All of which are easy to get currency card codes for online.

All you need to do is just pick a random address anyways. My Japanese address according to my Japanese PSN, Nintendo, and XBL accounts is the Japanese Communist Party headquarters in Tokyo. While my address for my Singapore (Asian English) PSN and XBL accounts is the Cuban Embassy there, and the Cuban Consulate in Hong Kong is for my Hong Kong Nintendo account. Then my UK PSN, Nintendo, and XBL accounts all use Sega's UK address.

If it's such a problem for someone having to have a PSN account to play a "live service" online only game, then just treat it like a burner account, and only have it for shit like this when you need it.

Oh, I don't need it, it's not the sort of game I'd ever play - I'm just a curious observer.

What you suggest is against Sony's TOS, though, as I understand it.

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Quoting: Linux_RocksThe only people that I've got any form of sympathy for are folks that are in countries that don't have official PSN service. Though as someone with 5 (count 'em 5) PSN accounts from various regions. It's not that hard to make one that's most relevant to you if your country doesn't have its own PSN service. PSN accounts are free too. So WTFever, and just get on with playing and having fun.

What about the countries where you can't create an account without owning a PlayStation 5, though...?

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Quoting: MrowlThis is why we need all handheld PC's to do well, even the Windows ones, like the Ally, etc.

Why? Because smartphones don't receive the hardcore AAA games that handheld PC's and Nintendo handhelds do, thus smartphones don't pose as much of a threat to Nintendo.

But handheld PC's obviously do get those games and do pose a threat, and people are now in a situation where, if they want to play certain games portably, Nintedo isn't the only option anymore.

We need the handheld PC market to grow and put the fear of god in to Nintendo. It's currently still a very niche market, but it's also a very young one that's growing every year.

Very well-said.

Indeed, that's probably why, after years of just turning a blind eye to it, the current powers-that-be are now taking action in ways that they didn't before.

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Quoting: scaineI don't even think you need to "sign up" for a PSN account - you just link straight through via Steam.

You do - they provide a link for it in the announcement, and talk up how it's free.

EDIT: Ahh, now I see the problem. Until May 3rd, Sony's FAQ said that PSN account use for PC releases is optional.

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Quoting: emphyIf you don't want future nostalgia be held hostage by such, do not play their games. They are much overhyped and overrated any ways.

Cue Pengling with the usual shameless plug for her "Nintendo-style gaming, without Nintendo!" thread.

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Quoting: PyrateConversely, what's the downside to making a PSN account? I don't think this means any extra step other than that one time account creation step, no launchers or anything no? what's so bad about this move other than 4 extra minutes of setup?

PlayStation Network has notoriously poor security - stuff like keeping sensitive customer data in plaintext on unprotected servers has been an issue in the past, and they've always had and continue to have frequent security and data breaches. I can see why people don't want it.

Quoting: drjomsMoment this shit is enforced they are getting REALLY bad review on Steam.

I've heard that it's already down to Mixed reviews...

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