Some of you may have been disappointed by the latest Humble Bundle being Windows only, well the good news is the developers are looking at Linux right now.
It is quite likely (pure speculation) that this is due to Linux statistics from bundle.
I am talking about this post on their reddit AMA:
So in future we could see titles like Saints Row and Dead Island come to Linux, that would be a huge boon for us as they are major titles!
So thanks to them being in a Humble Bundle we could see future titles actually come to Linux, it probably helps that the second highest payment was from a @LinuxGamers twitter account, good work!
Remember though folks, don't go buying the games yet if you don't want to be disappointed in-case it turns out to be another Unreal Tournament 3 eh ;) Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
It is quite likely (pure speculation) that this is due to Linux statistics from bundle.
I am talking about this post on their reddit AMA:
Quote[–]ttyborg
Can we count on native Linux versions for your current/next games? It would be super awesome. :)
[–]deepsilver_guido Deep Silver[S]
i would say there is a good chance ;)
So in future we could see titles like Saints Row and Dead Island come to Linux, that would be a huge boon for us as they are major titles!
So thanks to them being in a Humble Bundle we could see future titles actually come to Linux, it probably helps that the second highest payment was from a @LinuxGamers twitter account, good work!
Remember though folks, don't go buying the games yet if you don't want to be disappointed in-case it turns out to be another Unreal Tournament 3 eh ;) Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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I used Windows for 15 years. It's understandable for Work, but I don't feel a Game is worth losing my rights and privacy over. Call me crazy, I just don't think I could knowing use an OS with a backdoor built-in for the NSA or see myself giving money to a company who seeks to destroy Linux by funnelling money to people like SCO and forcing OEMs to place features in Hardware like 'Secure Boot' with sole intentions of impeding installations of alternative software.What in the world...am I the only Linux users in the world that uses Linux as my only OS?. :(
Some people have to use windows for work, word, etc. Also, Linux doesn't support all the games I want to play. So windows is a must.
Some people I know dual boot, yet spend 90% of their time in Windows. I think people like that should probably just use Windows since it's obvious they have no interest in Linux. I wonder what all those people will do when Microsoft goes belly-up and they lose their crutch, no company lasts forever. I have Games I want to play too, but I value the lives of the men and women who died for the rights that would be stripped from me if I used Windows for a Video Game.
It's not really my opinion, but as individuals we all have different views of the facts. Sometimes it leads us down the wrong path and one day we wake up with less freedoms because of our choices. Like I've always said though, I'll never understand people that use Windows. ^_^
Incidentally, we've heard this same rhetoric from THQ and Blizzard also and nothing has come from it. "I'll believe it when I see it" is a phrase that come to mind, otherwise I ignore them and their Games.
Microsoft is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel. The NSA argument is invalid because no matter what you do, you're still at some risk. I love Linux don't get me wrong, but until I can play every PC game I want to on Linux, I will be using windows.
n30p1r4t3: Regarding Microsoft, from an Ars Technica article about their contributions*:
A new addition to the list of top contributors this year was Microsoft. The Redmond giant was the 17th most prolific corporate contributor to the Linux kernel in 2011. The company first began contributing code to Linux in 2009 when it submitted patches to improve the performance of running virtualized Linux guest instances on Windows servers.
It was a welcome gesture, but Microsoft wasn't a particularly diligent steward of its contributed code at first. The company had some difficulty meeting the expectations of the kernel developers and doing the work to properly integrate and maintain the code it submitted to the kernel. As kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman recently told us in an interview, the issue was eventually remedied.
Their code only enriched their own business ecosystem, and they didn't do a very good job of properly maintaining it, anyway (in a way similar to Google's kernel modifications for Android). I would not consider this to be a noteworthy effort in improving the experience of Linux users. Microsoft is no friend to Linux!
I agree to an extent with the NSA argument, but surely you aren't really advocating the stance that no improvement in security is worthwhile unless all risk is eliminated? That would be absurd.
Lastly, why not enjoy playing some of your games on Linux? Choosing to avoid it for gaming until every PC game is available seems a terribly harsh condemnation of an OS you care about. :(
Mike: I see where you're coming from, but I no more want my choices restricted (i.e., few games on Linux) than I want to limit Windows users from the OS they enjoy. It probably doesn't help to denigrate them, either. They certainly make choices we wouldn't, but we might do well to try to be inclusive of them in our community. We'll draw more flies with honey than vinegar, in my personal opinion ;)
( * Ars Technica )
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^ That's exactly what I do. If a game has a Linux version, I game on Linux. I don't see microsoft as an evil company, after all, they didn't axe Skype for Linux.
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^ That's exactly what I do. If a game has a Linux version, I game on Linux. I don't see microsoft as an evil company, after all, they didn't axe Skype for Linux.Ah! I misunderstood "...until I can play every PC game I want to on Linux, I will be using windows." to mean that you'd choose not to play any PC games you enjoy in Linux until they were all native releases. Glad to hear it, and happy to be wrong, buddy! :D
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What in the world...am I the only Linux users in the world that uses Linux as my only OS?. :(Definitely not the only one, since there are 2 Linux-only gamers in this house
We even got permission to install Linux on computers at our desk at work, use webmail client for mail there
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I only use GNU/Linux for everything (even at work), and it's not because Microsoft is evil but because I don't like paying for shit. So I won't buy those Windows games I can't play. I avoid Wine too because I don't think it's a good solution at all, it isn't user friendly and unsupported.
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I also use Linux only :)
For work, hobby and gaming. For some games I still use wine, like Guild Wars 2 and some games from the steam sale (I couldn't resist >.< ).
For work, hobby and gaming. For some games I still use wine, like Guild Wars 2 and some games from the steam sale (I couldn't resist >.< ).
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...they didn't axe Skype for Linux.
YET!
A developer that does not support their games running on GNU/Linux (or thinks the online activation improves sales) does not deserve my money.
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Microsoft is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel
After they were caught violating the GPL they didn't have much of a choice than to open source their Hyper-V drivers. Also I wouldn't consider Microsoft Hyper-V drivers to be a big or essential part of the Linux kernel in any way.
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I only use GNU/Linux for everything (even at work), and it's not because Microsoft is evil but because I don't like paying for shit. So I won't buy those Windows games I can't play. I avoid Wine too because I don't think it's a good solution at all, it isn't user friendly and unsupported.
I am a software developer and use Linux exclusively.
At work, we are allowed to choose whatever system we like, as long as we can get our job done. Funny fact is that the ones who choose to go with Windows usually end up having Linux in a virtual machine just for work, because it is just so much more developer-friendly. We also noticed that in some cases compile times can go up from 50% to 500% when on Windows compared to Linux (1 min. on Linux vs. 5 min. on Windows).
Nowadays our projects usually target Linux as primary system, and support OSX and Windows as an add-on. It is because if you target Linux, porting to other systems is quite trivial. Sure, we are not game developers, and most of our stuff is not consumer products. But I just fail to understand why would anyone want to torture themselves by developing on Windows?
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Fantastic news. While some games do work through Wine native linux software is so much better.
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I only use GNU/Linux for everything (even at work), and it's not because Microsoft is evil but because I don't like paying for shit. So I won't buy those Windows games I can't play. I avoid Wine too because I don't think it's a good solution at all, it isn't user friendly and unsupported.nuff said here
if steam wants to increase its linux users number it should make L4D2, Portal 2 and CS:GO (and some other titles) F2P for linux :P
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By the way n30p1r4t3, hope you wasn't offended by my reply, as I didn't aim it directly at you as much as being a general post. Even though we obviously disagree, hope we can still be friends :D Incidentally, to answer you n30p1r4t3, Skype was on Linux before Microsoft bought them, at this point it's just a continuation. If Skype had not already had code written for Linux, I seriously doubt Microsoft would have made a native version and since it's Proprietary Software, they can end it anytime they want. Also, Microsoft's contributions to the Linux Kernel were for their own benefit, their customers needed Hyper-V support. They were also forced to do so due to GPL violations.
No disrespect but I think recent indicators are strong that Secure Boot was self-serving, hackers cracking and using it to their benefit has been done already. Their were also some Laptops that were bricked. And some people have issues installing and running Linux even when it's disabled.
Now I personally wouldn't use Skype since it also has known back-doors and even specific Malware that mines bitcoins. But their aren't many other options for such a program on Linux. There are, Jitsi, Ekiga, Lin Phone; but both parties need the software installed. It's something that you would want to do and not something that you need to do.
As for the NSA, yes we are at risk no matter what and a larger risk for Companies wanting to protect their Source Code because the NSA admitted they intercepted US based servers of various entities and were in possession of their data. But Microsoft willingly cooperated with the NSA to let them place a Back-door in the Software. This isn't some program that collects data coming through some servers, this is a Trojan built directly into the OS. Would you let a Hacker put a Trojan on your PC? It's the same thing, except the NSA doesn't want your Credit Card, they want to make sure we're good Government sheeple.
I should have mentioned also, my brother is a Linux only Gamer too. Any way, it's nice to see I'm not alone and hope to see more ports and native games for us all. And I agree that Wine isn't a solution, it's actually more of a problem and hinders native development, I wouldn't mind at all if it didn't exist. I've also converted a dozen or so friends and family members to Linux exclusively in my spare time. Yes, some of them are Gamers, like my brother, but they made a choice to not use Microsoft anymore. It's all about choice in the end.
I guess I'll finish all this out by quoting one of the Microsoft Developers: "For every developer that Microsoft can put to task, the community behind Linux can find dozens. That's the power of open source, and there's nothing that Microsoft or any other company can do to stop it". I should have posted a warning first, when I start on topics like this it's hard to end, I could probably write a book. :P It's all good though and I hope nobody was offended, seeing the place I said it was a site with Linux in the name. That would be weird.
No disrespect but I think recent indicators are strong that Secure Boot was self-serving, hackers cracking and using it to their benefit has been done already. Their were also some Laptops that were bricked. And some people have issues installing and running Linux even when it's disabled.
Now I personally wouldn't use Skype since it also has known back-doors and even specific Malware that mines bitcoins. But their aren't many other options for such a program on Linux. There are, Jitsi, Ekiga, Lin Phone; but both parties need the software installed. It's something that you would want to do and not something that you need to do.
As for the NSA, yes we are at risk no matter what and a larger risk for Companies wanting to protect their Source Code because the NSA admitted they intercepted US based servers of various entities and were in possession of their data. But Microsoft willingly cooperated with the NSA to let them place a Back-door in the Software. This isn't some program that collects data coming through some servers, this is a Trojan built directly into the OS. Would you let a Hacker put a Trojan on your PC? It's the same thing, except the NSA doesn't want your Credit Card, they want to make sure we're good Government sheeple.
I should have mentioned also, my brother is a Linux only Gamer too. Any way, it's nice to see I'm not alone and hope to see more ports and native games for us all. And I agree that Wine isn't a solution, it's actually more of a problem and hinders native development, I wouldn't mind at all if it didn't exist. I've also converted a dozen or so friends and family members to Linux exclusively in my spare time. Yes, some of them are Gamers, like my brother, but they made a choice to not use Microsoft anymore. It's all about choice in the end.
I guess I'll finish all this out by quoting one of the Microsoft Developers: "For every developer that Microsoft can put to task, the community behind Linux can find dozens. That's the power of open source, and there's nothing that Microsoft or any other company can do to stop it". I should have posted a warning first, when I start on topics like this it's hard to end, I could probably write a book. :P It's all good though and I hope nobody was offended, seeing the place I said it was a site with Linux in the name. That would be weird.
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I like the assumption that some people have here that if Deep Silver does eventually port to their titles to Linux it absolves Humble Bundle from turning their backs on their principles and promoting platform-locked and DRMed content, even though it severely damages the whole case that the bundles were trying to make in the first place. I know a large group of people here only got upset about the bundle because it did not support Linux, but I will not contribute to a bundle unless it is fully cross-platform (including supporting Mac and Windows) and offers DRM free versions (vital to me since I refuse to play DRMed content). It is quite disheartening to see people turning their backs on people and things they previously fought for just because it is not longer directly beneficial to them. Solidarity is not just a slogan, you know.
As for the other argument raging here, I do use Linux almost exclusively. Before I graduated I did my schoolwork from Linux, even though I had to use the FirstClass groupware client they used through WINE (it does have a native version, but it was nigh on unusable as it was never properly maintained). To WINEs credit, it managed to run it all basically perfectly. I play my games on Linux, I only buy DRM free Linux titles, and do everything else from checking my email to running my HTPC television on Linux. The only exception is for the past two months or so I have been playing some of my old games on Windows XP as the old laptop I am stuck on until my RMAd drive finally shows up has on an old XP partition on it. That being said, if it did not have the XP install I never would have touched Windows outside of my Diploma exams. So no, not everyone dual boots, and WIndows is far from necessary for everyone. That is not a condemnation of those that do, but just a statement of fact.
As for the other argument raging here, I do use Linux almost exclusively. Before I graduated I did my schoolwork from Linux, even though I had to use the FirstClass groupware client they used through WINE (it does have a native version, but it was nigh on unusable as it was never properly maintained). To WINEs credit, it managed to run it all basically perfectly. I play my games on Linux, I only buy DRM free Linux titles, and do everything else from checking my email to running my HTPC television on Linux. The only exception is for the past two months or so I have been playing some of my old games on Windows XP as the old laptop I am stuck on until my RMAd drive finally shows up has on an old XP partition on it. That being said, if it did not have the XP install I never would have touched Windows outside of my Diploma exams. So no, not everyone dual boots, and WIndows is far from necessary for everyone. That is not a condemnation of those that do, but just a statement of fact.
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DRM is not a reason I take into consideration when looking at games. Modern Piracy has basically made DRM happen.
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Not offended at all. Yeah that's what I meant with Skype. But Microsoft has actually improved/updated the Linux version which is great.
And you guys have to know: I grew up with the XBOX (Halo, etc.). So that's the type of video games that I enjoy (AAA). And until Linux has all the AAA games I want, I will use windows. And Windows 8 was the best $15 I've spent in a while. I've spent more on games that have been terrible.
Fingers crossed for Assassins Creed IV to be on Linux. ;)
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...absolves Humble Bundle from turning their backs on their principles and promoting platform-locked and DRMed content, even though it severely damages the whole case that the bundles were trying to make in the first place.
I agree; I'm still so bitter about the current situation that you'll notice I haven't addressed the bundle (or the Deep Silver news) at all in this thread. I'm upset, sad, and at a loss for words (for once; I'm a wordy dude).
...I will not contribute to a bundle unless it is fully cross-platform (including supporting Mac and Windows)...
Precisely. How rank would be our hypocrisy if we were to limit other's freedom to serve ourselves. I feel like an atmosphere of choice, and an unprecedented concentration of good-will, has been gravely damaged by their latest offering.
I have been playing some of my old games on Windows XP as the old laptop I am stuck on until my RMAd drive finally shows up has on an old XP partition on it.
Nonetheless, you someday may find yourself getting those games to work properly in Linux as well, when school isn't a primary concern. When you do, you may be in a position to contribute the Wine settings and tweaks you used to get those old games in top-shape on your main machine. Perhaps PlayOnLinux scripts or similar! I feel that is Wine's best place in the world; to be DOSBox for the next generation of fun old games. In previous jobs, I have done porting work in which I had to have a Windows machine running for testing so that I could compare our port with the original software to ensure compatibility. It was a fact of life, and I consider it to be a career-focused analog to your exam scenario.
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DRM is not a reason I take into consideration when looking at games. Modern Piracy has basically made DRM happen.
I don't know about you, but most people I know who accept DRM are not afraid of it because they know they can easily remove the DRM with a crack. And I don't know anyone who buys DRM games only and downloads the others via torrent. People just buy or doesn't buy games.
Some like me boycott DRM though. One of the reasons I left windoze was to forget about cracks.
IMO DRM is useless and exists just because most people isn't aware of it.
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Nonetheless, you someday may find yourself getting those games to work properly in Linux as well ... When you do, you may be in a position to contribute the Wine settings and tweaks you used to get those old games in top-shape on your main machine.
Umm, I have ran most of the games I have been playing on the laptop on my main machine running Linux. The only game I played which does not work with WINE to some degree is Dark Forces II. I have contributed AppDB entries for the games which did work in WINE, namely Blood II and AoE II. So I do not quite get the point of this little lecture here.
I feel that is Wine's best place in the world; to be DOSBox for the next generation of fun old games
Yes, I agree. And that is what I use WINE for, while supporting modern DRM free Linux games with my time and wallet.
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And you guys have to know: I grew up with the XBOX (Halo, etc.). So that's the type of video games that I enjoy (AAA).
Alright, that is fair enough. But I grew up playing games like Doom, which means I enjoy games that do not require an internet activation, are cross-platform, and are modder and gamer friendly. That is what shareware games offered then and Indie games offer today, something which is lacking from most modern AAA offerings.
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Personally I don't buy any of Humble's bundles unless they are featuring cross platform games and I will always stick to that. I also don't buy any games on any sort of small promise of Linux support, I only buy games that the developers have said a flat out yes to a Linux version (like Natural Selection 2 for example).
I dual boot but that doesn't necessarily mean I actually use Windows it's around for emergencies for me. As my computer has a UEFI boot thing which for some reason grub fails to install properly onto every single time so I have to manually use boot recovery and if that fails...well then I need Windows to fall back on until things stabilise for me sadly.
I dual boot but that doesn't necessarily mean I actually use Windows it's around for emergencies for me. As my computer has a UEFI boot thing which for some reason grub fails to install properly onto every single time so I have to manually use boot recovery and if that fails...well then I need Windows to fall back on until things stabilise for me sadly.
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