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Did that headline catch your attention? Good, it seems Square Enix sure does think highly of DRM. Seeing this made me weap for all gamer kind in another round of publisher/developer stupidity. If you have no idea of who I am talking about Square Enix work on the Final Fantasy series of games.
DRM creates so many issues as publishers force developers to use some really bad models, Sim City is the most recent case I can think of where a single-player game forces you to wait in a queue to play it, that's simply idiotic. The developers of it stated the game required the cloud to work, even though they are now working to implement an off-line mode for their single-player game.
This is my favourite quote:
DRM prevents hacking now apparently. Silly, silly people.
What are your thoughts on this matter of DRM being apparently good for business? I would think GOG.com would have something to say about it that's for sure, good thing GOG.com will be supporting Linux starting this year!
Source Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
DRM creates so many issues as publishers force developers to use some really bad models, Sim City is the most recent case I can think of where a single-player game forces you to wait in a queue to play it, that's simply idiotic. The developers of it stated the game required the cloud to work, even though they are now working to implement an off-line mode for their single-player game.
This is my favourite quote:
QuoteSo long as we’re concerned about things like data privacy, accounting sharing and hacking, we’ll need some form of DRM
DRM prevents hacking now apparently. Silly, silly people.
What are your thoughts on this matter of DRM being apparently good for business? I would think GOG.com would have something to say about it that's for sure, good thing GOG.com will be supporting Linux starting this year!
Source Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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I have a feeling that you are preaching to the choir here.
Personally I hope that the companies with the funds, test every kind of DRM they can think of, so that both proper data can be found on the issue, and so that people might get burnt more often for games they buy, and then hopefully become better informed customers, through necessity.
Personally I hope that the companies with the funds, test every kind of DRM they can think of, so that both proper data can be found on the issue, and so that people might get burnt more often for games they buy, and then hopefully become better informed customers, through necessity.
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commodore256 Apr 18, 2014
There is no magical form of DRM that prevents piracy while being convenient for 100% of paying customers 100% of the time. Hell, is there any magical form of DRM that prevents piracy?
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I can only speak for myself on this. I don't pirate games, so releasing a game DRM free will not produce a lost sale. However, releasing a game with bad or overly restrictive DRM will produce a lost sale. In some cases, I may buy a game with DRM, but not until it is dirt cheap.
UPlay - I would have pre-ordered Watch Dogs if Ubisoft wasn't using UPlay. I won't even buy it for $1 if it uses UPlay.
Origin - I only buy some EA games on Origin, and that is only if the game is not available on Steam without Origin. I think the only Origin games I have are the Bioware titles.
Steam - If I have to live with some DRM, then this is the place. Even here, I only buy games after the price has dropped and there is a big sale. My average purchase is between $5 and $10. The rare exception are games that are meant for online multiplayer only, like Left for Dead or Killing Floor.
GOG - Gaming heaven. If it is available here, then this is where I buy it. I don't mind paying full price to support a company that believes in DRM free. I pre-ordered The Witcher 2 from GOG.
I don't know why I posted so much, maybe it's because I hate DRM.
UPlay - I would have pre-ordered Watch Dogs if Ubisoft wasn't using UPlay. I won't even buy it for $1 if it uses UPlay.
Origin - I only buy some EA games on Origin, and that is only if the game is not available on Steam without Origin. I think the only Origin games I have are the Bioware titles.
Steam - If I have to live with some DRM, then this is the place. Even here, I only buy games after the price has dropped and there is a big sale. My average purchase is between $5 and $10. The rare exception are games that are meant for online multiplayer only, like Left for Dead or Killing Floor.
GOG - Gaming heaven. If it is available here, then this is where I buy it. I don't mind paying full price to support a company that believes in DRM free. I pre-ordered The Witcher 2 from GOG.
I don't know why I posted so much, maybe it's because I hate DRM.
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As long as the DRM they use is Steam, Origin, or Uplay, then I don't care what developers think. I find all three platforms good enough to use. :D
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My impression is that DRM is mostly there to prevent games from leaking before the retail launch, that way it at least takes pirates a few days to prepare a crack before torrenting goes rampant and preorderers won't pirate the game just to get it earlier.
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As long as my downloads/installs are not limited and doesn't restrict single player, Having DRM does not dissuade me from buying a game... hell Steam is one big DRM platform. I think online-focused games get more benefits from DRM since most need you to authenticate a CD key or whatnot with their servers to play online. Pirating games with DRM also means you don't get updates, since you would have to crack every single updated executable. I do agree games like Sim City have taken it too far, though. There has to be some kind of balance.
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I have 0 tolerance to DRM.
Even the gamers so beloved Steam.
The unique DRM I stand is Direct Render Manager.
As for my personal platforms preference :
1 - Humble Store / Bundle / Weekly <-- I only buy DRM-Free bundles / games
2 - Desura <-- This has DRM-Free Linux games too
3 - GoG.com <-- For DRM-Free Windows games, and future Linux ones
4 - Groupees. <-- Sporadically they have some interesting bundles of the style
Even the gamers so beloved Steam.
The unique DRM I stand is Direct Render Manager.
As for my personal platforms preference :
1 - Humble Store / Bundle / Weekly <-- I only buy DRM-Free bundles / games
2 - Desura <-- This has DRM-Free Linux games too
3 - GoG.com <-- For DRM-Free Windows games, and future Linux ones
4 - Groupees. <-- Sporadically they have some interesting bundles of the style
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I remember when Helloween4545 compared DRM and piracy in a video, saying that people who pirate games have so many advantages compared to people who have to bother with DRM that it's ridiculous.
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If they think DRM is good for their business they're right using it. I know it's not good for me, so I'll stay away from it. In my view, DRM makes piracy look good, sometimes law it's not made in the best general interest.
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DRM encourages it's own removal merely by presenting the challenge to do so.
It's been defeated before and will be again.
It's been defeated before and will be again.
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I'm like Ivancillo in that I also have zero tolerance for DRM. It doesn't provide any direct benefit to the customer and pirates end up with cracked versions very soon after release anyway, so anyone who wants a free version can get it (pirating isn't particularly complicated these days).
Public companies like Square Enix, Ubisoft and EA are traded on the stock market and so have shareholders, shareholders they need to appease. DRM and other copy-protection methods might well be useless, but if they're absent then shareholders might start complaining that a company's IP isn't being adequately protected. Shareholders aren't necessarily gamers or people who have any real interest in gaming - they just want to make money. If said companies don't use various DRMs it could be argued that they're not taking all reasonable steps to protect their IP and hence making money, regardless of whether this is true or not.
This isn't always the case of course. CD Projekt RED who make the Witcher series doesn't use DRM and are on the stock market, but they're a unique case in that they're openly against the inclusion of DRM technology in video games and software and make it part of their public image. Bigger companies like EA and Square Enix don't give a shit about such things because gamers (in general) don't give a shit about such things regardless of how much we complain, because most gamers will put up with DRM for the next hot title.
Sorry for the rant. I don't like how DRM has been accepted (even "light" DRM like Steam). We're happy to provide an artificially enforced time-frame on gaming history and that's fucking disgusting.
Public companies like Square Enix, Ubisoft and EA are traded on the stock market and so have shareholders, shareholders they need to appease. DRM and other copy-protection methods might well be useless, but if they're absent then shareholders might start complaining that a company's IP isn't being adequately protected. Shareholders aren't necessarily gamers or people who have any real interest in gaming - they just want to make money. If said companies don't use various DRMs it could be argued that they're not taking all reasonable steps to protect their IP and hence making money, regardless of whether this is true or not.
This isn't always the case of course. CD Projekt RED who make the Witcher series doesn't use DRM and are on the stock market, but they're a unique case in that they're openly against the inclusion of DRM technology in video games and software and make it part of their public image. Bigger companies like EA and Square Enix don't give a shit about such things because gamers (in general) don't give a shit about such things regardless of how much we complain, because most gamers will put up with DRM for the next hot title.
Sorry for the rant. I don't like how DRM has been accepted (even "light" DRM like Steam). We're happy to provide an artificially enforced time-frame on gaming history and that's fucking disgusting.
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There was an IAMA with DRM developer.
He says that their job is to make a DRM that will last as long as possible because most of the sales of major titles happen in the first month and than they drastically decline.
So if you have a DRM and can't pirate the game for a month, then you are more likely to buy this game.
Now, I am not supporting DRM in any way, just explaining what the publishers think.
Links to IAMA:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1bzkia/iama_developer_of_drm_systems_and_software/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufw0e/i_develop_drm_systems_and_software_activation/
He says that their job is to make a DRM that will last as long as possible because most of the sales of major titles happen in the first month and than they drastically decline.
So if you have a DRM and can't pirate the game for a month, then you are more likely to buy this game.
Now, I am not supporting DRM in any way, just explaining what the publishers think.
Links to IAMA:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1bzkia/iama_developer_of_drm_systems_and_software/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufw0e/i_develop_drm_systems_and_software_activation/
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There was an IAMA with DRM developer.
He says that their job is to make a DRM that will last as long as possible because most of the sales of major titles happen in the first month and than they drastically decline.
So if you have a DRM and can't pirate the game for a month, then you are more likely to buy this game.
Now, I am not supporting DRM in any way, just explaining what the publishers think.
Links to IAMA:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1bzkia/iama_developer_of_drm_systems_and_software/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ufw0e/i_develop_drm_systems_and_software_activation/
Good reference. From that, I get that DRM is only effective to protect from piracy for a month, but it will bother the legitimate customer for the whole game lifetime. Great thinking.
It also says that in the long term they seek protection for "casual" piracy, i.e., lending the game to a friend. I understand this better but I still don't like DRM anyway and won't buy it.
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Steam I can tolerate because it's a DRM that actually gives something to me - cloud save, installing my stuff as many times as I effin' want, screenshot upload, a bit of proof of reviews and really good prices.
Everything else can piss off, I'll crack and pirate it if I want to.
Most times there's nothing worth buying that has DRM other than steam though.
Everything else can piss off, I'll crack and pirate it if I want to.
Most times there's nothing worth buying that has DRM other than steam though.
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I don't mind some forms of DRM, like steam. If it was a choice between steam as it is and downloading each title from the publishers with no DRM, I would take the former, just for the convenience of having all my titles in one place.
That said I have passed up some really good specials on greenmangaming / gamers gate / getgamesgo etc because they had all kinds of other strange DRM.
I believe that Square enix did see a boost to profits. but there are other facts they need to take into account, including the re-emergence of PC gaming.
That said I have passed up some really good specials on greenmangaming / gamers gate / getgamesgo etc because they had all kinds of other strange DRM.
I believe that Square enix did see a boost to profits. but there are other facts they need to take into account, including the re-emergence of PC gaming.
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I don't mind some forms of DRM, like steam. If it was a choice between steam as it is and downloading each title from the publishers with no DRM, I would take the former, just for the convenience of having all my titles in one place.
It is important to remember that Steam itself is not DRM and a lot of the features people like from it do not necessarily need to tie the game itself to Steam. Steamworks is the component which ties a game to Steam, not the Steam client software itself, and even most of Steamworks could be kept separate from the binary in a perfect world.
I must admit I too have gotten lazy and unwilling to buy a game that is not on some storefront that can manage my purchases - meaning that I only buy games on Humble, Desura, and soon GoG. That does not necessarily mean I need to embrace DRM for that convenience, however.
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It is important to remember that Steam itself is not DRM and a lot of the features people like from it do not necessarily need to tie the game itself to Steam. Steamworks is the component which ties a game to Steam, not the Steam client software itself, and even most of Steamworks could be kept separate from the binary in a perfect world.
That is in theory. But in practice, if publishers have the possibility to tie with Steam's DRM (I think it's called G.E.M.), they'll tie. Mostly AAA+ games/game publishers.
Except for some honorable ones that break the rule.
I know that many people like Steam, but I would be happy if publishers didn't have that "possibility" (meaning G.E.M.).
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FutureSuture Apr 19, 2014
Silly Square Enix. Guess I won't be buying any of its games in the foreseeable future!
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I know that many people like Steam, but I would be happy if publishers didn't have that "possibility" (meaning G.E.M.).
Well yes, which is why I do not use Steam, but it is still important to make the distinction. Not all the features that Steam provides are DRM, or are dependant on it.
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DRM can't be good for business, if it's a fair business. DRM is used for nefarious purposes however, so in that sense it's "good" for crooks. I.e. DRM has nothing to do with piracy. So far it seems there can be several reasons why DRM is used:
1. Clueless / stupid execs, who think that DRM prevents lost sales (i.e. reduces piracy). These can be compared to Lysenkoists, who insisted that plants can be "trained" to grow in the cold climate.
2. Crooked execs who excuse their incompetence with DRM (i.e. if sales are low, instead of admitting that they created a garbage product they blame it on pirates and say that they aren't idling about it and put DRM in place).
3. Crooked execs who want to control technology progress by poisoning it with DRM.
4. Crooked execs who want to spy on users (DRM often simply equals spyware - it never improves privacy, on the contrary).
To summarize, it's either crooked or clueless, but DRM is never good for fair business.
1. Clueless / stupid execs, who think that DRM prevents lost sales (i.e. reduces piracy). These can be compared to Lysenkoists, who insisted that plants can be "trained" to grow in the cold climate.
2. Crooked execs who excuse their incompetence with DRM (i.e. if sales are low, instead of admitting that they created a garbage product they blame it on pirates and say that they aren't idling about it and put DRM in place).
3. Crooked execs who want to control technology progress by poisoning it with DRM.
4. Crooked execs who want to spy on users (DRM often simply equals spyware - it never improves privacy, on the contrary).
To summarize, it's either crooked or clueless, but DRM is never good for fair business.
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