Garry Newman of Rust and Garry's Mod regrets supporting Linux

I don't understand what positive Garry believes to accomplish through these kind of statements? These kind of things doesn't really make me feel bad but definitely doesn't bring a boost of joy either.

/care he doesn't wanna support Linux - ok no worries don't let the door hit your arse on the way out. Whether M$ got to him or he just CBA to learn new things the platform as a whole will be better off without him.

/breathe :P

Garry Who?

Well, only in my personal opinion, they're stupid and ugly games that i don't play! Not on Window, neither on Linux.

The only reason I have Garrys Mod in my library is because it was free when Half-Life2 was released on Linux, I wonder if I can still ask for a refund?

The Linux community can be pretty disgusting at times. I don't agree with everything he says, but I can understand why he feels that way.

He tweeted the sales per platform here. So there might be 8 thousand people who are unsatisifed with the quality and support of the game.

And complaining people can be quite loud, even if they are a minority.

I don't know how they can see those per platform sales, if Steam is showing it to them, or if they can see the downloads or if they have an internal mechanism... probably there is noise on those numbers. Some bought it while they where online with Windows, but want to play it on Linux... vice versa, etc, pp.

Nevertheless, what does Mr. Newman expect from people who bought his game for their platform, but are unsatisfied with it? Especially if the support and performance on other platforms are way better. I find his reason for supporting Linux were right, he posted some thoughts on reddit.

From my experience, Linux gamers are more passionate about their games, in either praising them or in complaining about them. So Linux gamers will have a deeper impact on developers' memories. In this case I can understand that he regrets supporting Linux. But he has it in his own hands.

Why should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.

There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.

And random internet name calling is never helpful either. It again shows how hostile/toxic linux community is.
And Linux is Small thats the fact. This game is also in Early Access (be it there forever or not).

I'm not defending Garry, he is what he is, but linux community seems to be too emotional about it.

there are countless games that arent early access and not work on linux or work really bad. And when devs dont say anything at all its a lot worse imo, it shows that they dont even know that they released a game on linux.


my 2 cents.. im too lazy to argue

No one here is name calling, simple pointing things out. There's nothing hostile here so far from anyone.

People are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.

We also point out other games that have bad support, this is nothing new. I like to warn people, money is important (at least it is to me), and I would rather put money towards a supportive developer.

Also, people should be allowed to complain about things they buy, it's part of life.

You attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

You also incite a boycott against him for his opinion which isn't helping either. You're giving indie developers a vibe of 'support linux, or else...' which is not the way forward.

I'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

We use Linux because it's simply the best thing out there and that should be our angle on this. He may disagree; he's butt ugly and stupid, but there's no need to put anyone on display like that. If he has legitimate complaints about the platform, let him state them openly so that we can either debunk or help resolve the issue. Other than that, just leave it; the market will sort him out, just like it did for Id Software.

I disagree. He is a developer and a spokesperson for his own company. He said it himself in his own words that his support of our platform is "shitty".

I will continue to point out developers who shuvvel out games to the platform, take money, and act like this in public.

Also I am certainly not inciting a "support Linux or else" community, don't make me out to be shitty like that. I speak to developers all the time about bringing their games to Linux, and I gave them no hard feelings if they don't.

His games are already on Linux, and he makes repeating and very public remarks about how he shouldn't have, and how we're only 17 users, and we're second class citizens and so on. Forgive me, as a paying customer, I have a right to be a little annoyed with repeating stupid remarks and a developer who obviously doesn't appreciate our money at all.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 28 Jan 2016 at 4:09 pm UTC

I lost all respect for him as a developer back when he blew through his backers money with nothing to show for it and then said, "Oh, yeah, I'm rewriting the game from scratch. Please give me more money."

The guy comes across as a snake oil salesman.

I don't normally play games like Rust, but it interested me a bit. However due to negative feedback about bugs and performance I never picked it up and given the developer's comments over the past year I never will.

Point is, you can't expect sales growth if you don't put in the effort and try to push the market toward your titles.

Wow, he don't know how to stay as a professional.
As the PC market is always changing, he never knows who is customers will be.. he might one day rely on Linux customers.

I am glad I haven't bought any of his shit and the crystal ball says I probably never will.
And that I will pass on to my friends and family and so and so..

Gary Newman, wow I really liked his song "Cars" in the 80's.

View video on youtube.com

Ironic that song is about somebody who is scared to leave the safety of his car and venture out into the world. I guess "Windows" is Gary's car

.Also Gary looks like he is from outer space in the future, you would think he would be an independent, progressive thinker, not someone who is pro establishment.

In the end, what he thinks or doesn't think isn't important to me. He's just one small indie dev who happened to make a reasonably successful game. There are hundreds more like him out there and more joining in on supporting Linux each day. I suppose they wouldn't do that if they wouldn't see some sort of benefit in doing it. I would be worried if Gary's company would be the only one making Linux games, be it's not. We see so much support these days that we can just go buy something else. *shrug*

I've been playing Rust since October 2014, and I realize it's still under development, but it's been a real frustrating experience on many levels. Don't get me wrong, the game can be fun, but it's very flawed, and those flaws need to be addressed. Garry has published a developer map showing where the game should be going, but progress has been slow, and curve balls have been thrown. I don't feel that the developer map has been followed closely enough, and not all of the "surprises" have been welcome ones. When Garry has been confronted by the community, he's pushed back and chastised. It might be a defense mechanism where he might not necessarily have the resources to address a specific issue at a given time, and just does not admit any particular weaknesses in his team. We'll see how it all plays out. I have high hopes for Rust, but I think we're a few years away from seeing the game reach maturity.

You attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion.
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If he has legitimate complaints about the platform, let him state them openly so that we can either debunk or help resolve the issue. Other than that, just leave it; the market will sort him out, just like it did for Id Software.

Forgive my presumption, but it seems like you're trying to have things both ways. For my part, Garry's opinions and his statements of the same are the reason I don't buy his games. He has presented himself to me as someone with which I simply do not wish to do business. Said another way, his character is entirely the issue with what I assume to be quite a number of people.

I'm not for character assassination and infantile remarks taking the place of good argumentation. And while I haven't witnessed anyone here on GoL doing it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone of his dubious popularity in the Linux community drew some fire. However, his PR chops are lacking, and he suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. The reactions to the things he says about Linux simply are not unprovoked.

In summary, what you're seeing is precisely the market sorting him out (ditto for Team Meat).

You attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

I didn't see a character attack? The editorial points out prior attitudes expressed by the developer and if that sounds like a character assassination, it's because Garry has a terrible prior record regarding expressing his feelings about this small portion of his paying customers.

I'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

Let's be clear here - this article doesn't "add" anything. It's reports on Garry's already public statements. Considering the editorial in question is by a paying customer, I'd say the tone was remarkably calm. This article isn't the catalyst here. Garry does that bit all by himself.

But this is the bit that really gets my goat (and love the irony that he says thsi right after "I'm not trolling" ). Garry says:

We get shit because we don't properly support linux because it makes up less than 1% of our audience. We get a lot of negativity from the linux community because we don't spend as much time testing on it as we do on Windows.

Let's read that again, because it's so true. "We get shit because we don't properly support Linux". So we're somehow, in the eyes of Facepunch, expected to

a) Pay the same as Windows customers; but
b) Suck up an inferior experience regardless, because Facepunch IN THEIR OWN WORDS can't be bothered to properly support Linux.

Unbelievable.


Last edited by scaine on 28 Jan 2016 at 7:19 pm UTC

You attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

I didn't see a character attack? The editorial points out prior attitudes expressed by the developer and if that sounds like a character assassination, it's because Garry has a terrible prior record regarding expressing his feelings about this small portion of his paying customers.

I'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

Let's be clear here - this article doesn't "add" anything. It's reports on Garry's already public statements. Considering the editorial in question is by a paying customer, I'd say the tone was remarkably calm. This article isn't the catalyst here. Garry does that bit all by himself.

But this is the bit that really gets my goat (and love the irony that he says thsi right after "I'm not trolling" ). Garry says:

We get shit because we don't properly support linux because it makes up less than 1% of our audience. We get a lot of negativity from the linux community because we don't spend as much time testing on it as we do on Windows.

Let's read that again, because it's so true. "We get shit because we don't properly support Linux". So we're somehow, in the eyes of Facepunch, expected to

a) Pay the same as Windows customers; but
b) Suck up an inferior experience regardless, because Facepunch IN THEIR OWN WORDS can't be bothered to properly support Linux.

Unbelievable.

I did read the other stuff, but this is the best reply I had, so I'm replying to this.
I wanted to quote, but it seems the original article has been changed. It now looks a lot more of something that people can draw their opinions from rather than being told what to think. The attack was there in the sense that it's just another of his stupid remarks that should not be listened to. Like "it's just him".

Now however, since I see the full quote, I can understand where he is coming from. As an employee I can understand that resources are limited: while good employees tend to bring in productiveness for pay, they are limited in their time and even mental condition. So there will always be a problem regarding resources. I think that as a community, we should be more understanding of this fact. They cannot put the same amount of focus in the Linux parts of their games in comparison to for example windows. They SHOULD however, allow us to report bugs and they should fix them. If they do that, I don't think a negative attitude is warranted, a lot of developers are still new to Linux and they will need our help to gain the necessary experience. It's quite unlike the more mainstream OSes where experience has been accumulated in a span of over 20 years.

I will say at this point, that TheBoss (and others on this site) have been fair to developers whenever possible. Dying Light was a shining example of a game that started out like crap and got better as time went on. And as it became more and more playable this site gave people the greenlight that the game was actually worth their money. I think that is something this site should do and if developers are put off by stuff like that than so be it; that's their loss in the long run.

Electric Prism, self important billionaire, regrets not withholding monies from Garry Newman, developer of Rust and Garry's Mod.

By all means boycott bad products and shoddily constructed games suchas Rust and Gary's Mod Linux version/


Last edited by ElectricPrism on 29 Jan 2016 at 6:56 am UTC