Note: This is an editorial, this is obviously my opinion. I own Garry's Mod and Rust, and I am speaking as an annoyed customer.
Garry Newman's latest lovely remark is that if he could do it again, he would never support Linux. It joins the list of lovely quotes from him about the platform.
@adevland Of course. If i could do it again I'd have never supported linux.
— Garry Newman (@garrynewman) January 22, 2016
He's already admitted before that he and his company do a "shitty job" (his words, not mine) of supporting Linux.
It's great that his games are on Linux, and a few thousand Linux gamers have purchased copies, but he needs to do better at supporting something he is selling.
He claims he supports Linux as it's the right thing to do, but it has to be more than that. You have to actually properly support your sold goods, and not belittle your userbase repeatedly like he does. He represents his own company after all, what kind of message is he sending? Not a good one.
Garry really needs a PR person to stop this happening.
Update: He went to reddit to explain a little better:
QuoteI wasn't trolling here. I wasn't making a pronouncement. I was replying to a tweet.
We release games on Linux because it feels like the right thing to do, to not exclude a platform just because it doesn't make financial sense.
We get shit because we don't properly support linux because it makes up less than 1% of our audience. We get a lot of negativity from the linux community because we don't spend as much time testing on it as we do on Windows.
So the obvious conclusion I arrive at is that we'd be better off if we'd have never released for linux. Our attempts to release our games for Linux are shit and aren't appreciated. That's made abundantly clear every time one of these posts is made, so what are we doing it for?
It's a vicious cycle, he makes remarks that are stupid in public, then moves to defend himself on reddit (with remarks about us not appreciating it *sigh*). It happens every time he does it and it's another reason why I think he needs a PR person.
I would one day like to write something nice about Garry and his studio, but he's not making it easy for me.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: GuestStuff like this belongs on the forums. GOL front page should be about the good stuff coming to Linux.
I disagree. That would just be positive reinforcment. I like how this site shows the good and bad in a (mostly) neutral light. I say mostly, because there are occasional editorials, and that's what editorials are for. Opinion.
As for Garry, he got £1 of my money for Garry's Mod on a winter sale about 8 years ago and I haven't touched anything by him or Facepunch since. He's made it clear over and over that he has blinkers only for Windows and nothing else matters. Facepunch is all about the money and while many will argue that all businesses are, there has be room for ethics, corporate responsibility and positive culture - Facepunch has shown a scarcity of all three.
That doesn't make me toxic, by the way. I'm simply avoiding a shitty company who make shitty products.
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Quoting: scaineI disagree. That would just be positive reinforcment. I like how this site shows the good and bad in a (mostly) neutral light. I say mostly, because there are occasional editorials, and that's what editorials are for. Opinion.
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About this developer: Fortunately, he didn't make a game I care for. If he would, he wouldn't get my money neither if he doesn't port.
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legluondunet Jan 28, 2016
I didn't buy one of his game. But Garry should not forget linux gamers paid for his games, it's too late to regret, he has to satisfy them, he is engaged.
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That's fine, no one is forcing him to.
What would be useful is constructive criticism. It behooves us as a community to make creating and maintaining Linux ports easier for all developers.
What would be useful is constructive criticism. It behooves us as a community to make creating and maintaining Linux ports easier for all developers.
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He is not the first developer talking about issues with Unity3D and Linux, a lot of developers spoke about those issues already. One of them was Obsidian, so the creators of PoE. inXile has noted things like that on the forums, so do the SotA developers. So there seem to be quite some issues for Unity in Linux which need to be worked around, which are costs, and costs which probably are not paid for by our sales. So the thing to hope for is better support of the Engines in this particular case.
In the end, it was experience they gathered. That it was not worth it is part of the experience, so it was the right thing to do, even if the resume isn't good (for us and them, since it obviously didn't pay off).
We're a niche, and I think we can accept that, even if we'd like to see more and more games on Linux rather than less.
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In the end, it was experience they gathered. That it was not worth it is part of the experience, so it was the right thing to do, even if the resume isn't good (for us and them, since it obviously didn't pay off).
We're a niche, and I think we can accept that, even if we'd like to see more and more games on Linux rather than less.
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We have 1800+ games on Linux on Steam alone, if it's not worth it people explain me why Capcom is joining too? Why Valve designed a console around Linux? We don't have to go back and prove what as already been proven, this guy lives in the past and will disappear with it.
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Quoting: TheBossPeople are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.
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The whole toxic Linux community thing is way to overblown. Seriously I have been around on various forums and hardly ever encountered the kind of snobbery or condescension that some claimed. Interestingly the only people who have said this are usually transitioning windows users who don’t even do ANY research to begin with even though they have the most powerful search engines humans ever created right under their noses.
Then there was an old guy on youtube who actually took youtube comments seriously and quit Linux ... for about a week.
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PublicNuisance Jan 28, 2016
I used to not buy his games because they didn't interest me. Now I'm not buying them on general principle.
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Quoting: TheBossYou attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).Quoting: XpanderQuoting: TheBossWhy should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.
There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.
And random internet name calling is never helpful either. It again shows how hostile/toxic linux community is.
And Linux is Small thats the fact. This game is also in Early Access (be it there forever or not).
I'm not defending Garry, he is what he is, but linux community seems to be too emotional about it.
there are countless games that arent early access and not work on linux or work really bad. And when devs dont say anything at all its a lot worse imo, it shows that they dont even know that they released a game on linux.
my 2 cents.. im too lazy to argue
No one here is name calling, simple pointing things out. There's nothing hostile here so far from anyone.
People are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.
We also point out other games that have bad support, this is nothing new. I like to warn people, money is important (at least it is to me), and I would rather put money towards a supportive developer.
Also, people should be allowed to complain about things they buy, it's part of life.
You also incite a boycott against him for his opinion which isn't helping either. You're giving indie developers a vibe of 'support linux, or else...' which is not the way forward.
I'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.
We use Linux because it's simply the best thing out there and that should be our angle on this. He may disagree; he's butt ugly and stupid, but there's no need to put anyone on display like that. If he has legitimate complaints about the platform, let him state them openly so that we can either debunk or help resolve the issue. Other than that, just leave it; the market will sort him out, just like it did for Id Software.
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linux_gamer Jan 28, 2016
I have bought the game myself, but not really played it as I'm too old for sandbox now. I can barely remember a time when Garry's Mod wasn't in the TOP10 bestselling tab on steam. OK the game might be featured cause its published by Valve, but that is also true for about 2 dozen of other games. Concluding: From a financial POV the game has a really high cashflow in the linux game market.
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