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Quoting: tuubiI can be a dick, but (hopefully) only to people who know my twisted sense of humour and take it as a joke.

The guy in this video, on the other hand, is a dick indiscriminately:

'People think that I'm this do-gooder; they don't realize that I do it because it's fun'

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI always love offensive games like that for the sweet butthurt they cause in all the hypocrites and do-gooders.

I've noticed that it's currently considered much more of a social faux pas to be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

So did I.
A good development, for once.
I'd much rather have more people that are unfriendly and appear dickish, but are honest, than those who "mean well" but only cause more harm.

Yes, you should always strive to hurt people because trying to do good is bound to result in something worse.

There is a difference between between doing good and being a do-gooder as I described them. Yes, the words, I know... don't blame me, blame the English language.

An example:
A guy who is always extra nice to people, never makes them aware of their mistakes because he doesn't want to hurt them, avoids confrontation, gives money to help the poor children in Africa, finds everything "super great!" and gives compliments freely.
On first glance, he appears good.

But nothing he does really helps anyone who needs it.
Always being extra nice just makes him appear to be sleazy and hiding some agenda after a while.
Never correcting people's mistakes only strengthens their belief they did nothing wrong. Better to hurt them a little (in the sense that own mistakes being brought to one's attention is never a good feeling), but also giving them a chance to improve themselves.
Avoiding confrontation only leads to people being overwhelmed when a confrontation finally does happen, as they never had to deal with it before.
Giving money to African charities only ends up cementing their shitty situation, as it keeps them in a "barely tolerable" state instead of an "intolerable" one that would eventually cause an improvement from the inside. Imagine what would have happened if aristocrats had given the French people just enough food and clothing to get by instead of nothing? French revolution would never have happened.
Finding everything great and showering people with compliments only makes them numb to compliments, or even worse, expecting them after every little thing.

No... Only he himself is being helped, as all of that stuff makes him feel better about himself.
That is what I call a textbook do-gooder and that is what I try to unmask whenever I can.

Quoting: tuubiIf you actually believe that, you should start writing scripts for Hollywood my friend.

1. I hope my clarification shows what I meant and yes, that is what I believe.

2. I am not your friend and your condescendence is not required to get your point across. You can go on, though. In contrast to others, I am not so easily offended ;)


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 12 May 2018 at 1:19 pm UTC

Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: tuubiI can be a dick, but (hopefully) only to people who know my twisted sense of humour and take it as a joke.

The guy in this video, on the other hand, is a dick indiscriminately:

'People think that I'm this do-gooder; they don't realize that I do it because it's fun'

Aye, he is!
And he has done more for people than a hundred do-gooders combined.
Being nice is not a requirement for doing good. Even wanting to do good isn't.
I don't have the recipe for how your actions end up causing a positive result, either, but I am fairly sure it is independent from your intrinsic motivation.

In the end, it only matters what you do, not why you do it.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 12 May 2018 at 1:15 pm UTC

Quoting: TheSHEEEP2. I am not your friend and your condescendence is not required to get your point across. You can go on, though. In contrast to others, I am not so easily offended ;)

I did sound condescending there. Sorry.

My point was, sure there are total dickwads who act nice, but they're not dickwads because they act nice. There's simply no correlation in that direction. However, it's a fair bet that a person who enjoys conflict and being a dick towards strangers turns out to be a self-centered bastard or simply suffers from ego issues.

Blindly dividing people you don't know into "do-gooders" and "actually good people" is just plain counterproductive.

Quoting: tuubiHowever, it's a fair bet that a person who enjoys conflict and being a dick towards strangers turns out to be a self-centered bastard

The problem here to me seems to be that just being honest and speaking some uncomfortable truths is already enough for many to consider someone a dick.

Quoting: tuubiBlindly dividing people you don't know into "do-gooders" and "actually good people" is just plain counterproductive.

Right, but I don't think I did that? Or someone else?
My very first post wasn't about me thinking that everyone who is offended at this game must be a do-gooder. Just the knowledge that some of them are, makes it all the sweeter.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 12 May 2018 at 1:47 pm UTC

Quoting: TheSHEEEPThere is a difference between between doing good and being a do-gooder as I described them. Yes, the words, I know... don't blame me, blame the English language.

Language is not something happening to us, it's something made by us. I feel (strongly), we shouldn't perpetuate the connotation of "doing good" and something bad. (There's something similar in German with "Gutmensch" (eng: "good human".))

I'm a proud do-gooder/Gutmensch. I hope.


Last edited by Eike on 12 May 2018 at 1:51 pm UTC

Quoting: EikeI'm a proud do-gooder/Gutmensch. I hope.

Yeah, I think most of us figured that out by now :D

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: tuubiHowever, it's a fair bet that a person who enjoys conflict and being a dick towards strangers turns out to be a self-centered bastard

The problem here to me seems to be that just being honest and speaking some uncomfortable truths is already enough for many to consider someone a dick.

Speaking out some uncomfortable truths and being offending are not related imho. Depending on _how_ you state an opinion it can always go both ways. Targeting the person (you are a ..) is usually the way to offend someone. Whereas giving an opinion only from ones own perspective (I think/guess that..) keeps the respect towards the audience, even when stating something uncomfortable. Well, that's what I think (and try to do) ;).

But sure, people react differently, especially with written communication and even more when history is involved.


Last edited by jens on 12 May 2018 at 5:41 pm UTC

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI always love offensive games like that for the sweet butthurt they cause in all the hypocrites and do-gooders.

I've noticed that it's currently considered much more of a social faux pas to be a do-gooder than a do-badder.

So did I.
A good development, for once.
I'd much rather have more people that are unfriendly and appear dickish, but are honest, than those who "mean well" but only cause more harm.

Most people who are unfriendly and appear dickish aren't actually honest, though. You're claiming a correlation that doesn't exist. Look at the whole US establishment: A bunch of dickish bastards who do enormous harm and spout arrogant violent crap all the time, and who are also collectively as lying and dishonest as the day is long. Apparent niceness has long been displaced as the main form of dishonesty. Rather, the most common approach nowadays is offensiveness purporting to "call a spade a spade" or whatever as a smokescreen for self-serving nonsense.

Also, most people don't just appear dickish. Rather, people who appear dickish very often do actual bad things. Your position is actually kind of naive--when I say "do-badder" you assume that of course there can't be any such thing as an actual bad person who does anything bad, so I must be talking about people who just say shit. No, I'm saying literally, in our society doing actual harm may carry some social stigma (unless you do a LOT of harm, like crash the economy with derivatives trading, then you're a pillar of the community), but it's considered much worse to be some kind of idealist who wants to do good things. We fear the idea that doing good might be possible, I think.

Quoting: EikeLanguage is not something happening to us, it's something made by us. I feel (strongly), we shouldn't perpetuate the connotation of "doing good" and something bad. (There's something similar in German with "Gutmensch" (eng: "good human".))

I hate the term "Gutmensch". It just feels wrong to paint this rather straightforward term in a bad light. "Scheingutmensch" would be more fitting.

I can understand the definition of TheSHEEEP regarding "do-gooder" and where this is coming from. I know way too many people who tell about doing good all the time, but rarely put action behind their words. I also know people who are phrasing their views in over the top language, something like "all foreigners are nice and lovely!". Some people just love to appear as (purportedly) political correct as possible. That's a problem. But it's also a problem that many people who actually do something good - because they thought about it and came to the conclusion that they want to do this - sound just the same at first glance.

I really think "Scheingutmensch" in German and something like "pseu-do-gooder" would be more fitting and not as misleading.