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Quoting: tonR

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tonRp/s: I'm suspicious.. All this bullshit happen on weird time where technology world nearing "the junction" ... Coincidence??

Again that's consipiracy talk.
Or let me rephrase it another way :
When you take an even just surface level course in polemology you see that civil rights movement across history has a tendency to pop up when the economical and technical situation of a group gets comfortable enough that those questions can become one of the focus of said community.

It is in fact according to all polemologist a good sign that the community is indeed living through a golden period.

So yes until now some members of the community have piped down and suffered in silence but suffered nonetheless. And now that we're getting a bit comfy because we're being listened to and being heard as an overarching family, some members are demanding basic respect to be where it never was.

So the timing is not suspicious looking in fact the very fact that that kind of convos are at the full front these days and considered news worthy just goes to show that we're getting legit and recognized by outsider groups.

Come on, I'm sorry, not grinding any conspiracy. I'm just saying because almost 10 years I'm following Linux news, this year (2018) lots of huge development happening in Linux community. So, that's why I little suspicious when this (or any) outrages happens. After all, I'm human. Suspicious is part on human life, cannot avoid it.

Move on topic, everything aren't black and white. We need to discuss the CoC fast.

p/s: Don't want to p/s anymore.. :'(

If you don't want to appear like you're throwing conspiracy talk maybe don't be dismissive.

In other words in the PS of yours that I originally quoted the use of the word bullshit made you sound dismissive of the issue altogether.

Again even the folk that this CoC is supposed to protect , queer folk like me , or women aren't agreeing with the current one because we all agree on the fact that it's exploitable as all hell.
Where we DO disagree is on the necessity to have a CoC and the nay sayers are just rabid and downright aggressive. Again folk like me who are the "target that this shield is suppose to protect" we are used to CoC's and also have our objections. We just refuse to be dehumanized just because some dudes are upset because we're telling them "no you can't say the F word no more" .


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Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tonR

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tonRp/s: I'm suspicious.. All this bullshit happen on weird time where technology world nearing "the junction" ... Coincidence??

Again that's consipiracy talk.
Or let me rephrase it another way :
When you take an even just surface level course in polemology you see that civil rights movement across history has a tendency to pop up when the economical and technical situation of a group gets comfortable enough that those questions can become one of the focus of said community.

It is in fact according to all polemologist a good sign that the community is indeed living through a golden period.

So yes until now some members of the community have piped down and suffered in silence but suffered nonetheless. And now that we're getting a bit comfy because we're being listened to and being heard as an overarching family, some members are demanding basic respect to be where it never was.

So the timing is not suspicious looking in fact the very fact that that kind of convos are at the full front these days and considered news worthy just goes to show that we're getting legit and recognized by outsider groups.

Come on, I'm sorry, not grinding any conspiracy. I'm just saying because almost 10 years I'm following Linux news, this year (2018) lots of huge development happening in Linux community. So, that's why I little suspicious when this (or any) outrages happens. After all, I'm human. Suspicious is part on human life, cannot avoid it.

Move on topic, everything aren't black and white. We need to discuss the CoC fast.

p/s: Don't want to p/s anymore.. :'(

If you don't want to appear like you're throwing conspiracy talk maybe don't be dismissive.
Again even the folk that this CoC is suppose to protect , queer folk like me , or women aren't agreeing with the current one because we all agree on the fact that it's exploitable as all hell.
Where we DO disagree is on the necessity to have a CoC and the nay sayers are just rabid and downright aggressive. Again folk like me who are the "target that this shield is suppose to protect" we are used to CoC's and also have our objections. We just refuse to be dehumanized just because some dudes are upset because we're telling them "no you can't say the F word no more" .

In other words in the PS of yours that I originally quoted the use of the word bullshit made you sound dismissive of the issue altogether.

I'm understand. I should need to be careful next time. And also improve my English further. Thank you for explaination.. Again, I'm sorry..

Quoting: tonR

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tonR

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: tonRp/s: I'm suspicious.. All this bullshit happen on weird time where technology world nearing "the junction" ... Coincidence??

Again that's consipiracy talk.
Or let me rephrase it another way :
When you take an even just surface level course in polemology you see that civil rights movement across history has a tendency to pop up when the economical and technical situation of a group gets comfortable enough that those questions can become one of the focus of said community.

It is in fact according to all polemologist a good sign that the community is indeed living through a golden period.

So yes until now some members of the community have piped down and suffered in silence but suffered nonetheless. And now that we're getting a bit comfy because we're being listened to and being heard as an overarching family, some members are demanding basic respect to be where it never was.

So the timing is not suspicious looking in fact the very fact that that kind of convos are at the full front these days and considered news worthy just goes to show that we're getting legit and recognized by outsider groups.

Come on, I'm sorry, not grinding any conspiracy. I'm just saying because almost 10 years I'm following Linux news, this year (2018) lots of huge development happening in Linux community. So, that's why I little suspicious when this (or any) outrages happens. After all, I'm human. Suspicious is part on human life, cannot avoid it.

Move on topic, everything aren't black and white. We need to discuss the CoC fast.

p/s: Don't want to p/s anymore.. :'(

If you don't want to appear like you're throwing conspiracy talk maybe don't be dismissive.
Again even the folk that this CoC is suppose to protect , queer folk like me , or women aren't agreeing with the current one because we all agree on the fact that it's exploitable as all hell.
Where we DO disagree is on the necessity to have a CoC and the nay sayers are just rabid and downright aggressive. Again folk like me who are the "target that this shield is suppose to protect" we are used to CoC's and also have our objections. We just refuse to be dehumanized just because some dudes are upset because we're telling them "no you can't say the F word no more" .

In other words in the PS of yours that I originally quoted the use of the word bullshit made you sound dismissive of the issue altogether.

I'm understand. I should need to be careful next time. And also improve my English further. Thank you for explaination.. Again, I'm sorry..

It's okay you have nothing to be sorry about. It's just that your wording was unfortunate and rather than just telling you about wrong choice of words I also gave you a reminder that it is precisely because Linux is experiencing a golden age that now marginalized minorities within the community feel comfortable making their voices being heard.
That it was not surprising at all , that there was not some weird reptilian conspiracy at play just that because now we have the time to have those convos they are poping like they always do in every community. ;)

Heck over here they pop up in the manga fans event organizations these days. When I was a teen and the first edition of Japan Expo happen , they were way to busy making the convention even work period to even have the time to think about it. Now that Japan Expo is a staple and won't go away anytime soon they have the time to adress that and they have putten in place a CoC too for attendants of the convention ;)


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Quoting: MechkitSo the summary is (?):
CoC: "If you are so hostile you create a toxic environment that affects development, we may ask you leave if you do not stop."

People that this may apply to: "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed."

This just this ...

Quoting: GuestCoding was only fun when i was aloud to be an a**hole is how i read this

Yep and sadly you're not alone reading this because that's really all it says.

Not really in the Linux community, heard about this whole thing from the grapevine. Just a word of warning to everyone on the fence about this, it absolutely does not end here. There are going to be a lot of emotional appeals and platitudes about "marginalized" people who "need to feel safe" but it has nothing to do with that. It's a power grab, pure and simple. This is all about control. Anyone who speaks out against this will then be labaled a racist, a Nazi, etc. because there's no way to refute the central point about this being an ideological takeover of Linux.

The broad language of the CoC is by design. If they can paint anyone as a harasser, abusive, racist, sexist, etc. it gives them power over others to remove them from the equation. Conveniently their own language towards white men will not be considered abusive, racist or sexist. The key thing is the part that allows them to go after others for things that have nothing to do with the project they're part of. All you have to do is scrub their social media profiles and, "Oh, so-and-so has a certain political affiliation, that makes me feel so unsafe, we need to remove them from the project!"

I read through all thirteen pages of this thread and the most interesting takeaway from me is that there appears to be a consensus that this entire thing is unnecessary to begin with. Project leads could ax anyone for any reason to begin with. It's really interesting how suddenly we need a politically charged document full of language that obviously comes from one political worldview, the same political worldview that infests everything it can and asserts control over it, removing anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do. I think we all know how this story ends.

This happened to video games (both with developers and the gaming press) and it happened to comic books. Don't let Linux be next.

Quoting: JoyfulDarterThis happened to video games (both with developers and the gaming press) and it happened to comic books. Don't let Linux be next.

Funny how both of your examples are industries that are experiencing an unprecedented economical golden age in every country of the world except in the US right now ...
If it was that much of a power grab that brings nothing on the table and ruins everything how come the economics all across the globe disagrees with you so much ?

What it comes down to is this;

Code used to be accepted based on the merit of the code itself, which is exactly how open source projects should be. It's all about the code. Now the problem is if someone submits code that is bad, and the maintainers state that the code is bad, and needs to be changed, the person submitting the could can play the 'transphobic' card. "You just don't like the code because I wrote it, and you hate me for $reasons!" Which means people will be pressured into accepting crappy code, and the project fails.

There is a reason why you shouldn't discuss genders/preferences/whatevers on github, mailing lists, etc. Has no one learned anything about the Internet? Remember old chat boards and forums and such, where (I don't know about anyone else) but I always assumed the person I was talking to was someone I'd never be interested in anything more than having a conversation with. Just like in WoW or other MMOs, it's always safe to assume it's a dude on the other end of that female avatar. Yet I still know of quite a few people who tried to hook up with or flirt with people over those games. Granted, these days a lot of people use voice chat, but still...

I'm hoping, but not expecting it to be any different than when FreeBSD adopted this CoC; where long time contributors just stopped and dropped out of caring about it.

Quoting: slaapliedjeWhat it comes down to is this;

Code used to be accepted based on the merit of the code itself, which is exactly how open source projects should be. It's all about the code. Now the problem is if someone submits code that is bad, and the maintainers state that the code is bad, and needs to be changed, the person submitting the could can play the 'transphobic' card. "You just don't like the code because I wrote it, and you hate me for $reasons!" Which means people will be pressured into accepting crappy code, and the project fails.

In order to "play the discrimination card" there is a need for it to be playable in the first place and if the message is truly just a simple "look your reasoning is wrong on that line because X and Y , over here at line 364 I would have used this instead" etc , then you have nothing to fear because again as you said it yourself the only thing that is discussed is that code.

Again the CoC is nothing more than a "How to NOT be a jackass" is it really asking for the moon ?

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: JoyfulDarterThis happened to video games (both with developers and the gaming press) and it happened to comic books. Don't let Linux be next.

Funny how both of your examples are industries that are experiencing an unprecedented economical golden age in every country of the world except in the US right now ...
If it was that much of a power grab that brings nothing on the table and ruins everything how come the economics all across the globe disagrees with you so much ?

What do completely unsourced claims about economics have to do with anything? Really interesting how you had to put the caveat "except in the US" considering Marvel's comic branch is experiencing some incredibly low sales numbers.

Quoting: slaapliedjeWhat it comes down to is this;

Code used to be accepted based on the merit of the code itself, which is exactly how open source projects should be. It's all about the code. Now the problem is if someone submits code that is bad, and the maintainers state that the code is bad, and needs to be changed, the person submitting the could can play the 'transphobic' card. "You just don't like the code because I wrote it, and you hate me for $reasons!" Which means people will be pressured into accepting crappy code, and the project fails.

There is a reason why you shouldn't discuss genders/preferences/whatevers on github, mailing lists, etc. Has no one learned anything about the Internet? Remember old chat boards and forums and such, where (I don't know about anyone else) but I always assumed the person I was talking to was someone I'd never be interested in anything more than having a conversation with.

I absolutely guarantee you that's going to happen because it's already happening in the spheres these people have infiltrated. Weaponized victimhood and it'll be used to climb ladders based on the ability to generate outrage rather than actual merit. They want to make everything about identity and race and gender because they cannot achieve anything without a mob. They claim to speak for all LGBTQ+, people of color, etc. to give them an edge. Meanwhile I'm sure you can find plenty of people with those identities who simply churned out amazing code and are praised for it. The sad matter is again, it's all about control.

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: slaapliedjeWhat it comes down to is this;

Code used to be accepted based on the merit of the code itself, which is exactly how open source projects should be. It's all about the code. Now the problem is if someone submits code that is bad, and the maintainers state that the code is bad, and needs to be changed, the person submitting the could can play the 'transphobic' card. "You just don't like the code because I wrote it, and you hate me for $reasons!" Which means people will be pressured into accepting crappy code, and the project fails.

In order to "play the discrimination card" there is a need for it to be playable in the first place and if the message is truly just a simple "look your reasoning is wrong on that line because X and Y , over here at line 364 I would have used this instead" etc , then you have nothing to fear because again as you said it yourself the only thing that is discussed is that code.

Again the CoC is nothing more than a "How to NOT be a jackass" is it really asking for the moon ?

So if all that matters is the code then surely we don't need a OS-wide binding contract that deals with identity politics, right?