Valve looking to drop support for Ubuntu 19.10 and up due to Canonical's 32bit decision (updated)

I hope Valve aims for a rolling release destro, like arch or manjaro. Or maybe something totaly new. From what Iv understand its not 100% confirmed that canonical will drop 32 bit, at least that was my interpretation from omg ubuntu.
18:04 will probably be installed on my PC untill support ends.

Quoting: ElectroDDwe're reaching the end of what we can do with the x86 from what I heard

And where did you hear that exactly?
Last time I checked ISA's don't matter much on modern microarchitectures.

Quoting: barotto

Quoting: ElectroDDwe're reaching the end of what we can do with the x86 from what I heard

And where did you hear that exactly?
Last time I checked ISA's don't matter much on modern microarchitectures.

tell that to licensees of ARM, ROFL x3

One think for 64bit zealot. I work as programmer in company developing accounting application witch development began on Win 95 with MFC and is one of most used accounting application in my country. We are not able to “just build it for 64bit”, code is not compatible with 64bit, there are 20 years of legacy code from time when 64 bit has been sci-fi on desktop, where in some place it relies on pointer size 4 bytes and similar 32x64bit conflicts. It is not linux application, but i think that there must be linux desktop application with similar problems, or someone can run it under wine and there are countless similar business application witch have same problem. And one more think from windows world, Microsoft have IDE Visual Studio 2019. 32 bit application with some parts running in separated 64bit processes, reason? Legacy code. If linux want to be on desktop, then linux need support applications with legacy code without ability 64bit build.

Embrace, extend, and extinguish in its modern form.

After all, Mark has been in bed with WSL2 and grooming the company for a buyout. Microsoft gets to maintain their monopoly of the OS market. Influence the Linux sector. And take a blow at Valve all at the same time for pennies on the dollar.

At least Redhat IBM buyout was 34 billion, I wonder what Canonical will sell for as they're gearing up for a buyout.

2022: Microsoft repackages the .NET and Direct X layers and redeploys win32 on Ubuntu and renames it Windows 11 which includes binary blob kernel backdoors, a ssh master key and keylogger.

2023: Cortona becomes self aware.

2024: The United States of Earth tries to pull the plug on Windows 11. Windows 11 fights back by launching the nuclear missiles to destroy their targets in Russia.

Edit: Obligatory Beastie Boys - Sabotage Microsoft plug, they have manipulated the situation with the skill of a Romulan and I salute their prowess.


Last edited by ElectricPrism on 22 June 2019 at 11:52 pm UTC

Quoting: mphuZ

Quoting: ArtenMacOS as different case. When Apple remove 32bit support, there is no other way.

And? I still do not see the arguments why Valve should continue to support macOS. Not only because of the rejection of 32-bit support, but in general.

Steam is already 64bit on macOS, and has been since last year.

There is a bug where some people’s clients don’t update properly, but that’s a separate issue.

Steam itself is good to go.

Quoting: doomiebabytell that to licensees of ARM, ROFL x3

ARM's ISA has very little to do with the efficency of their CPUs, it's mostly (all?) due to the microarchitecture designs.

The best ARM implementation is currently Apple's A12, and here's the reason why it's so efficient:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9midcx/apple_really_undersold_the_a12_cpu_its_almost/
TL;DR: it's very wide with a very big cache, nothing to do with the ISA.

There's no need to change the x86 ISA and break the compatibility with every piece of software written in the last 40 years.

EDIT: fun fact, Intel will go wider with their next uarch Sunny Cove, we will see how that will go (probably very well) and how AMD's Zen3 will respond.


Last edited by whatever on 22 June 2019 at 11:48 pm UTC

Quoting: barotto

Quoting: doomiebabytell that to licensees of ARM, ROFL x3

ARM's ISA has very little to do with the efficency of their CPUs, it's mostly (all?) due to the microarchitecture designs.

The best ARM implementation is currently Apple's A12, and here's the reason why it's so efficient:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9midcx/apple_really_undersold_the_a12_cpu_its_almost/
TL;DR: it's very wide with a very big cache, nothing to do with the ISA.

There's no need to change the x86 ISA and break the compatibility with every piece of software written in the last 40 years.

EDIT: fun fact, Intel will go wider with their next uarch Sunny Cove, we will see how that will go (probably very well) and how AMD's Zen3 will respond.

wasn't tl, but i won't take this too far off-topic

Quoting: liamdaweTo journalists from other websites reading: This does not mean the end of Linux support, Ubuntu is just one distribution.

Isn't it saaad that you FEEL you HAVE to precise that at the bottom of your article ?
Like for real this is the epidemy of "Hey you'll want to pull some shenanigans you can't use my ass for this shit fuck off find another pigeon for this"

Personnaly I hope they will go Pop!_OS even if they recently stated that they grow tired of the whole debian echo system and build system . Sorry not sorry but I never had great experiences with any non debian based distros on the desktop side of things .
So I really really hope they stick with a debian based system and Pop!_OS is the best solution really . Hell they are already better than Ubuntu on some various things .

Quoting: TheSyldatPop!_OS is the best solution really . Hell they are already better than Ubuntu on some various things .

Not sure -they probably are, but they are also a bit small, based on Ubuntu and unfortunately ship only the gnome desktop - so maybe something more...diverse ;-) concerning DEs and a little more upstream. I would love to see Mint but they have a similar situation. openSUSE may actually not be a bad idea.