NVIDIA have released the 435.17 beta driver with Vulkan and OpenGL support for PRIME render offload

Come on Ubuntu dudes, share your experiences with us. :)

what a timing... I just bought a new notebook, and it has nvidia. I was already studying every possible way to handle multiple GPUs.
But that means bumblebee will be able to handle vulkan now? or is bumblebee not even necessary now?

No more Bumblebee crap, you can use __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 and other things now, details in the links. :)

what a timing... I just bought a new notebook, and it has nvidia. I was already studying every possible way to handle multiple GPUs.
But that means bumblebee will be able to handle vulkan now? or is bumblebee not even necessary now?

I think if you take the PRIME render offload approach, you don't need bumblebee. However currently bumblebee can already handle vulkan with primus_vk.

No more Bumblebee crap, you can use __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 and other things now, details in the links. :)

NOICE

what a timing... I just bought a new notebook, and it has nvidia. I was already studying every possible way to handle multiple GPUs.
But that means bumblebee will be able to handle vulkan now? or is bumblebee not even necessary now?

I think if you take the PRIME render offload approach, you don't need bumblebee. However currently bumblebee can already handle vulkan with primus_vk.

I saw primus_vk, but people say its not a good solution right now (not stable).

what a timing... I just bought a new notebook, and it has nvidia. I was already studying every possible way to handle multiple GPUs.
But that means bumblebee will be able to handle vulkan now? or is bumblebee not even necessary now?

Bumblebee is thrash and not necessary.

It has significant overhead. From now on , that solution should be used.

Without needing to logout to change active gpu ( Prime ) , Intel will be working on desktop but when you go gaming NV will kick in. Just like NV driver does on Windows for a very long time.

I wish there was an equivalent to PRIME render offloading on desktops. I have a GPU here on my motherboard that's literally never been used.

(And yes, I know it's an architectural limitation and there isn't really any way of using it and a PCIe card at the same time. But it's annoying all the same.)

Ahh... took them only 10+ years :(

Still great news... I hope it comes to Solus soon.

Also worth reading this if you have a Turing powered laptop.

I'm not 100% sure the Nvidia chip is powered off for other older chips if it is unused after reading that. Sort of makes me think bbswitch might still be required for the older gen, though I'm not sure how that will interact (it usually requires the drivers to be unloaded?). Or maybe the older gen will go in to the lowest power state they can.

Bumblebee is thrash and not necessary.

Don't say that... bumblebee helped a lot in the past when there was no other solutions..

I wish there was an equivalent to PRIME render offloading on desktops. I have a GPU here on my motherboard that's literally never been used.

(And yes, I know it's an architectural limitation and there isn't really any way of using it and a PCIe card at the same time. But it's annoying all the same.)

It can work. I don't think any of the codepaths actually care if your machine is a desktop or laptop. In my case, I've got a new turing GPU and I configured the BIOS to enable both the external and internal GPUs (Every BIOS I've ever seen has supported this) and then the Ubuntu PRIME support kicked in and worked the same as you'd expect on a laptop. It would come up on the iGPU and I could switch it to full-screen offload on the nvidia GPU.

On top of that, it can handle when the system is booted with the nvidia GPU connected to the display (the EFI is smart and knows which GPU has a display connected and makes that primary on each boot). It will disable all the PRIME stuff and load the nvidia driver normally.

I did have to make some additional changes to the PRIME support scripts to turn on uncertified gsync, which requires extra xorg.conf content. But at the end of all this, I could switch between nvidia primary and intel primary by changing which GPU the display is plugged into, and when plugged into intel, I can use PRIME to activate the nvidia.

Interestingly, with this setup, trying to use Wayland on the nvidia GPU actually causes the desktop to be rendered on the intel GPU and then outputted on the nvidia GPU. It's slow and unresponsive, but it isn't supposed to work, so that was amusing.

I expect this per-app offload functionality to also work fine on a desktop; I'll try it in the near future.

This is the example /etc/X11/xorg.conf I used:

Section "ServerLayout"
  Identifier "layout"
  Screen 0 "iGPU"
  Option "AllowNVIDIAGPUScreens"
EndSection

Section "Device"
  Identifier "iGPU"
  Driver "modesetting"
  BusID "PCI:00:02:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
  Identifier "iGPU"
  Device "iGPU"
EndSection

# May or may not need this section
#Section "Device"
#  Identifier "nvidia"
#  Driver "nvidia"
#  BusID "PCI:01:00:0"
#EndSection

I'm not able to get the power-off for Turing working though. Not sure why yet.


Last edited by Luke_Nukem on 14 Aug 2019 at 1:28 am UTC

Bumblebee is thrash and not necessary.

Don't say that... bumblebee helped a lot in the past when there was no other solutions..

No? Bumblebee didn't help for anything. Prime was a better solution , at least it was reliable.

While Bumblebee was not.

This is where you might have your Intel GPU running most normal applications, with an NVIDIA chip then powering your games.

Does this mean that it only work on laptops with Intel CPU?

What about Ryzen ones?

Bumblebee is thrash and not necessary.

Don't say that... bumblebee helped a lot in the past when there was no other solutions..

No? Bumblebee didn't help for anything. Prime was a better solution , at least it was reliable.

While Bumblebee was not.

Prime didn't become available until 2016 though, while Bumblebee has been around since at least 2011. For half a decade it was the only (good) option for utilizing dual graphics on Linux, and that's worth something. It was always a hassle to set up and tended to break with driver upgrades, so I'm glad there are better, official options now for those of us still stuck with Optimus laptops.

PRIME output capability was added to the nvidia driver
2013-04-09 version 319.12
2016 was the year of PRIME sync, i.e. tear free vsync'd display.
Testing the render offload feature I can say it's working fine, Steam Proton games working without a hitch. Might be interesting to run some benchmarks comparing PRIME output with render offload.
Pre-Turing gpus always having to stay powered is a downside, of course, but I can understand why nvidia devs made that decision. A lot of crappy notebook hardware has been sold over the years with broken acpi/bioses and flawed intel pcie controllers.

I gave up futzing with all this a long time ago, shortly after Primus came along. I set my (I-will-never-buy-another) Optimus laptop to "Nvidia" and keep it plugged in. The downside is that sounds and feels like an idling Harrier Jump Jet. The upside is that it will probably die sooner, and the sooner it dies, the sooner I can look into non-Optimus options. :D

I wish there was an equivalent to PRIME render offloading on desktops. I have a GPU here on my motherboard that's literally never been used.

(And yes, I know it's an architectural limitation and there isn't really any way of using it and a PCIe card at the same time. But it's annoying all the same.)

It can work. I don't think any of the codepaths actually care if your machine is a desktop or laptop. In my case, I've got a new turing GPU and I configured the BIOS to enable both the external and internal GPUs (Every BIOS I've ever seen has supported this)...

I'll have to check, but I'm pretty certain mine doesn't. And I have to say, I don't think I've ever seen one that does; that was part of the “architectural limitation” I was referring to. EFI, yes, but not an actual BIOS. (Maybe I should have been clearer on that. Having never owned an EFI machine, I tend to forget it exists even though it's more or less universal now. :) )

Thanks for the info, though. I'll have to look into it further.

You know what? I did look into it further, and after poking around my BIOS a bit, I discovered that yes, it does support both GPUs being enabled. The way it's worded in the menus is what confused me, but you're absolutely right and I have to eat my words.

Saying that, it turns out to be a 7000 series which isn't supported in the proprietary driver any more and it probably isn't worth trying to get it to work anyway. But still, I stand corrected.


Last edited by Dunc on 15 Aug 2019 at 1:04 am UTC

Bumblebee is thrash and not necessary.

Don't say that... bumblebee helped a lot in the past when there was no other solutions..

No? Bumblebee didn't help for anything. Prime was a better solution , at least it was reliable.

While Bumblebee was not.

Prime require you to switch session, while bumblebee works in the main session. There is a bit of performance overhead but at least there is no need to switch session which is very annoying for those who dont use the pc for only gaming. And when you need to get full performance, there is always nvidia-xrun

I have been waiting this for so many years.