Move over Discord, Mumble has rolled back into town with a massive new release for this open source voice chat application.
This is the first major release of Mumble in a few years, so of course it comes with some truly massive changes. Checking on it Mumble 1.2 was release all the way back in December, 2009! Nearly 10 years in the making—holy cow!
Here's some highlights for you:
- New Lite and Dark themes.
- Individual user volume adjustment.
- A new shortcut to change your voice transmission mode between: voice activation, push to talk and continuous and a toolbar to select it too.
- Dynamic channel filtering, enabling you to easily show/hide empty channels.
- PulseAudio monitor devices can be used as input devices.
- Improved user admin tools including inactive time, an improved ban-list and more.
- The ability to lower the volume of others when a priority speaker is talking.
- Plus tons more.
See the full release announcement here.
They also have a shiny new website, check it out here.
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Quoting: monnefI recently switched from old Kubuntu to Manjaro, so after few years of occasional old Mumble use, I got the new version from Manjaro. GUI is considerably better, but the sound quality is appalling - constant crackling, few seconds delayed echo from headphones and other people. I tried turning off everything which seemed it could be causing it (noise reduction and similar), I double checked it is using correct devices (which work in other software), but I still can't use it, it's just too broken. Anyone having same issue or any idea how to resolve this?
I switched to Matrix/Riot, but I would prefer to continue using Mumble :'(.
That sounds like the issues I was having, to be honest. I switched to Teamspeak and the voice quality is incredible. Discord's quality is also very good. No idea what I was doing wrong in Mumble, as others have definitely had great experiences with it, but I never managed to get to the bottom of it myself. I still use Teamspeak for chatting on LAN and Discord for chatting on internet.
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Quoting: devnullQuoting: scaineWhy the Discord hate here? Every time someone shouts "spyware" about this app, I do another little search on the internet and yet every time, I seem to end up on the usual fairly paranoid forum and reddit posts that simply put Discord in the same basket as Steam and Facebook.
Well, you're reading Reddit. Not sure why I'm surprised?
As one who has been vocal about it many times all I can say is bullshit. Look at their client yourself if you think people are being "paranoid" (why is that even derogatory here?). The process logging is a --TINY-- part of the problem. And no, you cannot just "opt-out", try it. Go on, we'll wait. What's that? You can't?
Sorry, I'm not really following. Why can't I opt-out? The option is right there under "Game Activity".
Or if we're back on the proprietary software hate, and it's an issue of trust (or you have actual proof that the option doesn't change anything) there's always the option of running it in a Flatpak or Snap, I suppose.
But if the option really does nothing, wouldn't that be weird? After all, it's not as if my game activity is
a) worth anything and
b) not already public on Steam
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Quoting: scaineSorry, I'm not really following. Why can't I opt-out? The option is right there under "Game Activity".
The option you're referring to only affects updating your status. As of last week the data is still collected.
Quoting: scaineOr if we're back on the proprietary software hate, and it's an issue of trust (or you have actual proof that the option doesn't change anything) there's always the option of running it in a Flatpak or Snap, I suppose.
Your strawman isn't going to work. Proprietary has nothing to do with what I said. Fact that you'd suggest Flatpak or Snap as options is baffling.
Quoting: scaineBut if the option really does nothing, wouldn't that be weird?
Yes, that's my point.
Quoting: scaineAfter all, it's not as if my game activity is
a) worth anything and
b) not already public on Steam
The importance you place on your privacy, or lacktherof, is not my concern. The data -is- valuable and no, it isn't public on Steam. Profile is set to private.
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Quoting: devnullQuoting: scaineSorry, I'm not really following. Why can't I opt-out? The option is right there under "Game Activity".
The option you're referring to only affects updating your status. As of last week the data is still collected.
Quoting: scaineOr if we're back on the proprietary software hate, and it's an issue of trust (or you have actual proof that the option doesn't change anything) there's always the option of running it in a Flatpak or Snap, I suppose.
Your strawman isn't going to work. Proprietary has nothing to do with what I said. Fact that you'd suggest Flatpak or Snap as options is baffling.
Quoting: scaineBut if the option really does nothing, wouldn't that be weird?
Yes, that's my point.
Quoting: scaineAfter all, it's not as if my game activity is
a) worth anything and
b) not already public on Steam
The importance you place on your privacy, or lacktherof, is not my concern. The data -is- valuable and no, it isn't public on Steam. Profile is set to private.
You're being weirdly hostile about this. But to address your arguments in turn:
1. How do you know the data is collected even after I turn the option off? What are you seeing that you base this comment on?
2. It's not baffling, unless you don't understand how they work, maybe. Flatpacks and Snaps run their payload in a sandbox. So if you run Discord in a sandbox, it can't expose your privacy (beyond the login credentials, I suppose). It can't, for example, quiz the process list to see what games I'm playing, even if the logger is allowed to run AND the option to turn it off is ignored. As an aside, it's not a strawman - I wasn't attacking you (the definition of a strawman argument), I was referencing that every single argument against Discord appears to be because it's proprietary. To elaborate, I think that if you put aside the issues you have with the company behind it, you could trust Discord if it was open source, because then you'd have hard evidence that turning off the process logger has no effect. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this way, you could see the source. You could code out unwanted behaviours and compile it yourself to ensure integrity. Hence, all the issues people have with Discord is that they don't trust Discord to do what they ask it to do (e.g. don't record my game activity).
3. My steam profile is public. Hence, my game activity, recorded by discord, has no value to discord. At least in the context of "should I run discord, since it collects my game data"? Is your public address valuable? Not if it's freely available in a phone book it's not. It's only valuable when it's collated against other data sets. In summary, it's certainly of no importance to me. I don't consider "what I play" to be an interesting piece of information that I need to protect. Again, for the avoidance of doubt, if you do, that's cool, and perhaps admirable, and you shouldn't use Steam, or Discord.
I don't understand the anger I'm getting from your comments. Apologies if I've misread your tone.
You're being pretty vehement about this though, so I might actually do a data freedom request, from their privacy policy:
QuoteHow can I access the personal data you have about me?Could be interesting to see what kind of data they've collated about me.
If you would like to submit a data access request, you can do so from the “Settings” page of the Services, where there is a button to download your data. We will then start the process and provide you a link to access the personal data that Discord has on you within 30 days.
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Quoting: scaineBut to address your arguments in turn:
1. How do you know the data is collected even after I turn the option off? What are you seeing that you base this comment on?
2. It's not baffling, unless you don't understand how they work, maybe. Flatpacks and Snaps run their payload in a sandbox. So if you run Discord in a sandbox, it can't expose your privacy (beyond the login credentials, I suppose). It can't, for example, quiz the process list to see what games I'm playing, even if the logger is allowed to run AND the option to turn it off is ignored. As an aside, it's not a strawman - I wasn't attacking you (the definition of a strawman argument), I was referencing that every single argument against Discord appears to be because it's proprietary. To elaborate, I think that if you put aside the issues you have with the company behind it, you could trust Discord if it was open source, because then you'd have hard evidence that turning off the process logger has no effect. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this way, you could see the source. You could code out unwanted behaviours and compile it yourself to ensure integrity. Hence, all the issues people have with Discord is that they don't trust Discord to do what they ask it to do (e.g. don't record my game activity).
3. My steam profile is public. Hence, my game activity, recorded by discord, has no value to discord. At least in the context of "should I run discord, since it collects my game data"? Is your public address valuable? Not if it's freely available in a phone book it's not. It's only valuable when it's collated against other data sets. In summary, it's certainly of no importance to me. I don't consider "what I play" to be an interesting piece of information that I need to protect. Again, for the avoidance of doubt, if you do, that's cool, and perhaps admirable, and you shouldn't use Steam, or Discord.
1. Part of the collected data is visible in the interface and keeps being updated after you turn off the feature. Too much work to check whether it sends stuff back home, but it was enough for me to restrict discord to a very limited access user account.
2. If that was correct, then snaps couldn't be used to work with your files. Since they can, it must be a bit more complicated. Don't know much about snaps and the likes though.
3. Steam only lists the games you play in steam. Discord records *everything* that runs on your system.
It's perfectly fine for everyone that wants to accept that. I didn't and took measures to prevent it.
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Quoting: EhvisQuoting: scaineBut to address your arguments in turn:
1. How do you know the data is collected even after I turn the option off? What are you seeing that you base this comment on?
2. It's not baffling, unless you don't understand how they work, maybe. Flatpacks and Snaps run their payload in a sandbox. So if you run Discord in a sandbox, it can't expose your privacy (beyond the login credentials, I suppose). It can't, for example, quiz the process list to see what games I'm playing, even if the logger is allowed to run AND the option to turn it off is ignored. As an aside, it's not a strawman - I wasn't attacking you (the definition of a strawman argument), I was referencing that every single argument against Discord appears to be because it's proprietary. To elaborate, I think that if you put aside the issues you have with the company behind it, you could trust Discord if it was open source, because then you'd have hard evidence that turning off the process logger has no effect. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this way, you could see the source. You could code out unwanted behaviours and compile it yourself to ensure integrity. Hence, all the issues people have with Discord is that they don't trust Discord to do what they ask it to do (e.g. don't record my game activity).
3. My steam profile is public. Hence, my game activity, recorded by discord, has no value to discord. At least in the context of "should I run discord, since it collects my game data"? Is your public address valuable? Not if it's freely available in a phone book it's not. It's only valuable when it's collated against other data sets. In summary, it's certainly of no importance to me. I don't consider "what I play" to be an interesting piece of information that I need to protect. Again, for the avoidance of doubt, if you do, that's cool, and perhaps admirable, and you shouldn't use Steam, or Discord.
1. Part of the collected data is visible in the interface and keeps being updated after you turn off the feature. Too much work to check whether it sends stuff back home, but it was enough for me to restrict discord to a very limited access user account.
2. If that was correct, then snaps couldn't be used to work with your files. Since they can, it must be a bit more complicated. Don't know much about snaps and the likes though.
3. Steam only lists the games you play in steam. Discord records *everything* that runs on your system.
It's perfectly fine for everyone that wants to accept that. I didn't and took measures to prevent it.
1. Ah, so turning off the "share my game" feature keeps the process running, but just doesn't share the data? Yeah, that's not great, but presumably at the root of devnull's point about Discord wanting to collect the data regardless of whether you want to share it with your friend list. I suspect that if you see this behaviour, it almost certainly is sending the data to Discord - otherwise, why not just end the process logger directly?
2. Not sure about Flatpacks and how they interact with filesystems, but Snaps can only see the directory they're run from, usually ~/snap/<somedir>. More reading here: https://ubuntu.com/blog/a-guide-to-snap-permissions-and-interfaces. So running Discord inside a Snap prevents all system and file access except when you soft/hardmount inside its own directory.
3. Discord collects and sends... everything? How do you know? It definitely looks for "known apps" and that list includes games and OBS. Bit of a stretch to suggest that this is sending all my process info out. Unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise.
I've requested my data via a freedom request. When it appears, I'll share a summary of the results here.
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Quoting: scaine3. Discord collects and sends... everything? How do you know? It definitely looks for "known apps" and that list includes games and OBS. Bit of a stretch to suggest that this is sending all my process info out. Unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise.
It at least has to check everything in order to decide what it is. I don't know what exactly it will store and send. But since 1. didn't fill me with confidence, I decided that my time was better spent preventing collection than attempting to figure out what happens to it.
Quoting: scaineI've requested my data via a freedom request. When it appears, I'll share a summary of the results here.
Do they have an EU presence? If not, I don't think they have any obligation to provide anything.
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Quoting: scaineYou're being weirdly hostile about this. But to address your arguments in turn:
Hostile? Erm, OK? Guess if you wish to think that sure.
Quoting: scaine1. How do you know the data is collected even after I turn the option off? What are you seeing that you base this comment on?
You mean besides the fact that it's literally on the same screen as that toggle? You have to be kidding me.
Quoting: scaine2. It's not baffling, unless you don't understand how they work, maybe. Flatpacks and Snaps run their payload in a sandbox.
Which doesn't address Discord doing it in the first place.
Quoting: scaineAs an aside, it's not a strawman - I wasn't attacking you (the definition of a strawman argument),
That isn't the definition of a strawman argument but OK?? (seriously where do you get this drivel from).
Quoting: scaineI was referencing that every single argument against Discord appears to be because it's proprietary. To elaborate, I think that if you put aside the issues you have with the company behind it, you could trust Discord if it was open source, because then you'd have hard evidence that turning off the process logger has no effect. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this way, you could see the source.
I don't know where to even begin with that. At no point did I say anything about the company itself nor it being proprietary. You keep claiming things YOU have found (or haven't), one of those sources is reddit. Not sure what you expected? You literally can view the dev console and see some of it.
Quoting: scaineYou could code out unwanted behaviours and compile it yourself to ensure integrity. Hence, all the issues people have with Discord is that they don't trust Discord to do what they ask it to do (e.g. don't record my game activity).
I could yes, that was never in dispute. Not sure what your point is?
Quoting: scaine3. My steam profile is public. Hence, my game activity, recorded by discord, has no value to discord. At least in the context of "should I run discord, since it collects my game data"? Is your public address valuable?
Not if it's freely available in a phone book it's not. It's only valuable when it's collated against other data sets.
What on Earth are you talking about? You do realize selling phonebook data is a massive business, right? Oh hell I give up on this thread.
Quoting: scaineI don't understand the anger I'm getting from your comments. Apologies if I've misread your tone.
No one is angry guy.. You're fairly clueless when it comes to this, I forgot.
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Well, I got my strawman mixed up with my ad-hominims, oops. Humble apologies for my "drivel". But at least we're both done with this thread.
Just to recap though, people who use Discord have been called:
* Boomers (whatever that means?)
* Apathetic (the implication is laziness)
* Addicts (to Web 3.0, I think?)
* Clueless
And still no evidence on Discord abusing their privacy policy. Devnull is convinced that if "it's on the screen", that means "it's being sent to Discord". Fair enough. I disagree. Perhaps I'll change my mind when the Privacy report comes in.
@Ehvis, no idea where Discord is based, no, but they offer the freedom of data option right in the settings of their app, and refer to it in their privacy policy.
Just to recap though, people who use Discord have been called:
* Boomers (whatever that means?)
* Apathetic (the implication is laziness)
* Addicts (to Web 3.0, I think?)
* Clueless
And still no evidence on Discord abusing their privacy policy. Devnull is convinced that if "it's on the screen", that means "it's being sent to Discord". Fair enough. I disagree. Perhaps I'll change my mind when the Privacy report comes in.
@Ehvis, no idea where Discord is based, no, but they offer the freedom of data option right in the settings of their app, and refer to it in their privacy policy.
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Quoting: scaineWell, I got my strawman mixed up with my ad-hominims, oops. Humble apologies for my "drivel". But at least we're both done with this thread.
..Claims to be done with thread, takes another jab.
Quoting: scaineJust to recap though, people who use Discord have been called:
* Boomers (whatever that means?)
* Apathetic (the implication is laziness)
* Addicts (to Web 3.0, I think?)
* Clueless
I'm sure they have been called a lot worse. What does that have to do with anything in this thread.
Quoting: scaineAnd still no evidence on Discord abusing their privacy policy.
Which has literally nothing to do with anything I said nor this thread.
Quoting: scaineDevnull is convinced that if "it's on the screen", that means "it's being sent to Discord". Fair enough. I disagree. Perhaps I'll change my mind when the Privacy report comes in.
Which will confirm what? You already said you have it enabled or are you going to back peddle on that too LOL.
Quoting: scaine@Ehvis, no idea where Discord is based, no, but they offer the freedom of data option right in the settings of their app, and refer to it in their privacy policy.
.. And you will find out the data they collect is not the same as their partners, nor countless bots that mine discord.
You started this as though you had some position of authority in it or at least knew what you were talking about. This is fuckin epic level troll. +1
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