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PayPalSecurity? What security? Say hello to 'LVI' (Load Value Injection), a new class of' transient-execution attacks' exploiting flaws in modern processors and it defeats all existing countermeasures.
Oh hell. This comes shortly after Intel had another one announced that was 'unfixable', plus one for AMD too and now this all in the space of a month. Rough time right now, for Intel specifically on this one.
LVI turns previous data extraction attacks around, like Meltdown, Foreshadow, ZombieLoad, RIDL and Fallout, and defeats all existing mitigations. Instead of directly leaking data from the victim to the attacker, we proceed in the opposite direction: we smuggle — "inject" — the attacker's data through hidden processor buffers into a victim program and hijack transient execution to acquire sensitive information, such as the victim’s fingerprints or passwords.
It's serious, as they claim the difficulty in solving it is much harder than all previous attacks and will require some computationally expensive software patches. They say it may "slow down Intel SGX enclave computations 2 up to 19 times"—ouch.
They give a quick 4-step process to LVI:
- Poison a hidden processor buffer with attacker values.
- Induce a faulting or assisted load in the victim program.
- The attacker's value is transiently injected into code gadgets following the faulting load in the victim program.
- Side channels may leave secret-dependent traces, before the processor detects the mistake and rolls back all operations.
You can also see a demo video below:
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What about AMD? Well, their current assessment is that LVI only applies to Intel processors that have SGX tech. However, it can affect any other processor if they're vulnerable to a Meltdown-type data leakage.
See more about it on the official site and the research paper is found here. You can see the official Intel security advisory here, plus a list of affected processor products here. Additionally, Intel have their own deep dive here.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Comandante Ñoñardo Mar 10, 2020
This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
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Another day, another Intel security disaster.
It's not like people warned about this back in 2014 or anything.
It's not like people warned about this back in 2014 or anything.
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This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
I'd love to see RISC-V be a viable desktop architecture. We need fully open source CPUs to help with security issues like this.
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Another day, another Intel security disaster.Interesting article. As soon as they described just what the point of SGX was, I immediately thought "Wait, couldn't you use that to make malware that was basically unfindable and undeletable?" and, later on in the article, it indeed brings up that exact issue.
It's not like people warned about this back in 2014 or anything.
I don't really know anything about computers, at a technical level. If I could figure that out in three seconds, why couldn't the engineers at Intel?
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Is SGX actually used in any way on a standard Linux desktop though?
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I immediately thought "Wait, couldn't you use that to make malware that was basically unfindable and undeletable?" ... I don't really know anything about computers, at a technical level. If I could figure that out in three seconds, why couldn't the engineers at Intel?Not an expert on the issue, but my bet would be DRM and enterprise environments where they want to lock down and control everything. Many of those "security" and "management" applications are not that dissimilar from spyware in the first place. At least that was probably the original intent. In practice I am yet to see this used for anything other than an attack vector.
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This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: NvidiaGod no! Not them!
They are as unfriendly towards open source as a vendor can get. Also don't forget their GPUs already have security flaws to begin with.
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Is SGX actually used in any way on a standard Linux desktop though?No. There exist a Linux SGX implementation from Intel themselves, but I am not aware of any application actually using it for anything. Definitely not on your regular desktop at least.
Last edited by Linas on 10 March 2020 at 10:52 pm UTC
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Another day, another Intel security disaster.
It's not like people warned about this back in 2014 or anything.
As mentioned in the article AMD had one as well. The only thing this proves is that when people start looking, they will find something.
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This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: NvidiaI'm sure the Chinese will now be doing a crash program, having noticed between the trade war and the epidemic that not making their own is a key strategic vulnerability.
At which point I suppose everyone will get their choice: Do you want to be spied on via American back doors, or Chinese ones?
Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 11 March 2020 at 12:55 am UTC
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SirLootALot Mar 11, 2020
For now PowerPC is your best bet. It is the only 100% open architecture, that is usable today and properly performant. Risc-V on regular consumer computers probably won't happen until we reach the year of the Linux desktop.This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
I'd love to see RISC-V be a viable desktop architecture. We need fully open source CPUs to help with security issues like this.
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Duck Hunt-Pr0 Mar 11, 2020
Now i feel even happier having gone to AMD :D
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Duck Hunt-Pr0 Mar 11, 2020
I'm sure the Chinese will now be doing a crash program
As sure as Planet Nibiru, FEMA guillotines, and the Mayan Calendar, combined , no doubt.
Last edited by Duck Hunt-Pr0 on 11 March 2020 at 1:29 am UTC
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GustyGhost Mar 11, 2020
This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
My day to day hasn't changed much since switching to PowerPC. x86 is fully locked down with licensing constraints and so any x86 instructions newer than 20 years require any aspiring x86 vendors-to-be to bow down to Intel (and by extension, to Hollywood and friends).
Oh and also that detail about a master CPU embedded in all x86 chips which has full access and control over the end user-controllable portion. I would urge everyone here to at least consider keeping a RISC-V, PPC or any other freer architecture box around, for freedom's sake.
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Among all the things I've been saying around here the last day or so, it didn't occur to me that this would be controversial. WTF?I'm sure the Chinese will now be doing a crash program
As sure as Planet Nibiru, FEMA guillotines, and the Mayan Calendar, combined , no doubt.
Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 11 March 2020 at 5:10 am UTC
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What about ARM stuff? Could that move up the food chain?For now PowerPC is your best bet. It is the only 100% open architecture, that is usable today and properly performant. Risc-V on regular consumer computers probably won't happen until we reach the year of the Linux desktop.This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
I'd love to see RISC-V be a viable desktop architecture. We need fully open source CPUs to help with security issues like this.
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SirLootALot Mar 11, 2020
While it is possible to build a ARM-computer without blobs the ARM architecture is not free. So you could not build and design your own CPU, Chipset and Mainboard-circuitry without ARM licenseing it to you and I am only aware of one commercially available ARM computer, that is 100% FLOSS. This used to be the case fore PowerPC too but since the competition from Risc-V is here you can now build your own PowerPC without the need for IBMs blessing.What about ARM stuff? Could that move up the food chain?For now PowerPC is your best bet. It is the only 100% open architecture, that is usable today and properly performant. Risc-V on regular consumer computers probably won't happen until we reach the year of the Linux desktop.This is why we need another player in the x86 CPU market: Nvidia
I'd love to see RISC-V be a viable desktop architecture. We need fully open source CPUs to help with security issues like this.
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Duck Hunt-Pr0 Mar 12, 2020
Among all the things I've been saying around here the last day or so, it didn't occur to me that this would be controversial. WTF?I'm sure the Chinese will now be doing a crash program
As sure as Planet Nibiru, FEMA guillotines, and the Mayan Calendar, combined , no doubt.
I may or may not have misread your post, and not quite understood what you meant by "crash program".
Did you mean the Chinese will be looking for a way to intentionally crash Intel cpu's ?
/me drink and skim alot :/
Last edited by Duck Hunt-Pr0 on 12 March 2020 at 6:31 pm UTC
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What Dedale said: I meant the Chinese would seek to rapidly develop and produce their own X86 CPUs so as not to be dependent on North American suppliers. Since this is already I believe one of the stated goals of their "Made in China 2025" schtick, and since various events have shown trade to be surprisingly fragile, this still seems to me pretty likely.Among all the things I've been saying around here the last day or so, it didn't occur to me that this would be controversial. WTF?I'm sure the Chinese will now be doing a crash program
As sure as Planet Nibiru, FEMA guillotines, and the Mayan Calendar, combined , no doubt.
I may or may not have misread your post, and not quite understood what you meant by "crash program".
Did you mean the Chinese will be looking for a way to intentionally crash Intel cpu's ?
/me drink and skim alot :/
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