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The GNOME development team blogged about some of the upcoming plans in late December 2020, which did look and sound quite promising. With the main focus being on the Activities Overview feature, which is where you access application launchers, open windows and more - the big overlay you open on GNOME. This is what shall be adjusted in their planned overhaul.
Expanding on this recently in a fresh blog post, the team showed off where they're currently at with this new design. Which you can see in action below, which they shared running from a Virtual Machine (work in progress):
They're keen to note that everything else is the same on GNOME, just the Activities Overview is seeing the revamp and even with this new layout it's "structurally the same as the previous version". It will also work fine with vertical monitor positioning and shouldn't cause problems for multi-display setups either and they even said they have "some ideas for how to improve multi-monitor support".
Why are they doing this though? Quite a few reasons actually. It's going to be a lot more customizable and more personal, you will be greeted with a more welcoming screen after booting up instead of a blank desktop, much improved touchpad gesture support, easier understanding of workspaces and more.
GNOME mention how this was done as a result of "6 separate user research exercises" and they shall be providing details of that research to the public in a future post. Additionally, they do plan to open it up to wider testing and an "intensive period of bug fixing and evaluation" before they have a UI freeze in "about a month’s time". Not long to go though, as their Roadmap is aiming for a GNOME 40 release in March.
What do you think to the flow and design changes?
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Jan 11, 2021
I really like the current vertical layout for virtual desktops but so far the GNOME team always delivered. So I'm always looking forward to their changes even if it means adjusting my workflow a little. =)
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I really like the current vertical layout for virtual desktops but so far the GNOME team always delivered. So I'm always looking forward to their changes even if it means adjusting my workflow a little. =)I don't really like the switch from vertical workspaces to horizontal workspaces either. The way I managed to make the GNOME workflow work for me was through using a bunch of workspaces and the vertical layout and preview made managing that convenient. Bigger horizontal workspaces could mean that keeping track of windows and moving them around becomes more of a hassle.
I'm also a bit disappointed that the relationship between displays and workspaces has been kept as is. Only the primary display having workspaces and all other displays getting just one doesn't really fit my workflow at all, and I'd much prefer i3/Sway style per-display workspaces, so that I can have the secondary monitor carry out tasks related to the current thing I'm working on.
I'll definitely try how GNOME 40 works when it gets released, but thus far these changes don't seem like they'd sell me on GNOME 40 any more than GNOME 3.
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I like that the overview is less loaded with different widgets.
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I'm also a bit disappointed that the relationship between displays and workspaces has been kept as is. Only the primary display having workspaces and all other displays getting just one doesn't really fit my workflow at all, and I'd much prefer i3/Sway style per-display workspaces, so that I can have the secondary monitor carry out tasks related to the current thing I'm working on.
Think you can use the gnome tweak tool to extend the workspaces to all monitors. I don’t remember exactly where that switch was, but I definitely have two monitors changing workspaces on my work setup.
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Think you can use the gnome tweak tool to extend the workspaces to all monitors. I don’t remember exactly where that switch was, but I definitely have two monitors changing workspaces on my work setup.You can, but everything that deals with the Tweak Tool is at least a bit hacky. And the best it can do is create essentially an extended workspace, so every time you switch to another workspace all monitors switch to a different workspace. It's an improvement over fixed workspaces, but significantly inferior to i3/Sway workspace behaviour. What I would like is the ability to have, say, a social workspace with IRC/Discord/Mumble on my second monitor, but also a workspace with a web browser for reading documentation. Then on my primary I could have Emacs open as I work on some coding project. What I would like to do then is occasionally switch the second monitor over to instant messaging without switching the workspace on primary. Or I might want to keep the social workspace open on the secondary while I browse through some other workspaces on primary.
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The actual design may still change, see this ticket. ;-)
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I don't really like the switch from vertical workspaces to horizontal workspaces either. The way I managed to make the GNOME workflow work for me was through using a bunch of workspaces and the vertical layout and preview made managing that convenient. Bigger horizontal workspaces could mean that keeping track of windows and moving them around becomes more of a hassle.
My thoughts exactly. I fear that "easier understanding of workspaces" translates to dumb 'em down until they're next to useless as a way to organize your desktop.
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Schattenspiegel Jan 11, 2021
Wow...just...wow...rofl
"6 separate user research exercises"
...and they have not even figured out the most basic of design flaws...
The "activities" button
................................... and the
.............................................................................................button to open the application drawer
......................................................................................................... are on opposite sides of the screen.
And that is just one of the problems.
"6 separate user research exercises"
...and they have not even figured out the most basic of design flaws...
The "activities" button
................................... and the
.............................................................................................button to open the application drawer
......................................................................................................... are on opposite sides of the screen.
And that is just one of the problems.
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I suspect a basic problem with the way user research works is that "easier to learn" is often not the same as "more effective to use". So you show people various ways of doing things and they're like "I get this one right away!" and you decide the User Has Spoken and you get something that isn't that great once people have it up and running for a while.
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Think you can use the gnome tweak tool to extend the workspaces to all monitors. I don’t remember exactly where that switch was, but I definitely have two monitors changing workspaces on my work setup.You can, but everything that deals with the Tweak Tool is at least a bit hacky. And the best it can do is create essentially an extended workspace, so every time you switch to another workspace all monitors switch to a different workspace. It's an improvement over fixed workspaces, but significantly inferior to i3/Sway workspace behaviour. What I would like is the ability to have, say, a social workspace with IRC/Discord/Mumble on my second monitor, but also a workspace with a web browser for reading documentation. Then on my primary I could have Emacs open as I work on some coding project. What I would like to do then is occasionally switch the second monitor over to instant messaging without switching the workspace on primary. Or I might want to keep the social workspace open on the secondary while I browse through some other workspaces on primary.
I don't know i3/sway. But yeah, currently it is indeed either just one monitor or all monitors together afaik. Having just those two options works for me, but I can imagine going back from a more sophisticated workspace handling might be frustrating.
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Wow...just...wow...rofl
"6 separate user research exercises"
...and they have not even figured out the most basic of design flaws...
The "activities" button
................................... and the
.............................................................................................button to open the application drawer
......................................................................................................... are on opposite sides of the screen.
And that is just one of the problems.
Exactly my thoughts too.
Personally I don't like the new design. Instead of improving application overview or the zooming out and in or the activities button they changed just for sake of change.
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Gnome devs should better think about the question why so many people need multiple add-ons to get gnome the way they need it. Just look at Ubuntu. They made the Gnome desktop much more usable with a few tweaks.
Better adopt gnometthat less tweaks and addons are needed.
Better adopt gnometthat less tweaks and addons are needed.
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Schattenspiegel Jan 11, 2021
I suspect a basic problem with the way user research works is that "easier to learn" is often not the same as "more effective to use". So you show people various ways of doing things and they're like "I get this one right away!" and you decide the User Has Spoken and you get something that isn't that great once people have it up and running for a while.Possibly.
But so far GNOME 3 has not exactly been self explanatory either.
The only way you could call it simple is visually (by hiding often used functionality behind cryptic icons requiring extra clicks) and functionality wise (by reducing programms/applications to a bare minimum that is bordering on uselessness).
compared to more classic designs you actually have to learn to use it properly and there is unfortunately no efficiency compensation for that energy and time investment to be found. ( Unless you get frustrated enough to bypass the problems by finally learning some CLI magic, that is. ;-))
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I suspect a basic problem with the way user research works is that "easier to learn" is often not the same as "more effective to use". So you show people various ways of doing things and they're like "I get this one right away!" and you decide the User Has Spoken and you get something that isn't that great once people have it up and running for a while.
Yeah, and I guess in this case the people they chose to do their research on are mostly MacOS users and they gave those research users more weight than their existing user base.
The sad thing is that Gnome was the only DE with vertical layout, so there is no alternative to jump to that I know of. Let's hope someone forks it.
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The sad thing is that Gnome was the only DE with vertical layout, so there is no alternative to jump to that I know of. Let's hope someone forks it.
No need for a fork when extensions can change such things; here's one possibility for you:
https://github.com/mzur/gnome-shell-wsmatrix
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