GNOME 41 released with performance enhanced, new power modes, store improvements

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

I'm really confused, surely this is supposed to be Gnome 42 and 41 is a beta? Or did they just full on f-up the versioning because, why not?

I'm really confused, surely this is supposed to be Gnome 42 and 41 is a beta? Or did they just full on f-up the versioning because, why not?

Nope. It's using their newer versioning system. The last was GNOME 40, this is GNOME 41. It's just going to increment 1 each time now.

GNOME 41 is the second release to use GNOME's new version numbering scheme. This replaced the old odd/even point release approach with a simpler, single integer. The next release, version 42, is planned for March 2022.

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Is DE bashing considered a hobby by now? Really boring.
I really like gnome shell but usually prefer alternative applications to stuff like Nautilus(?Files?), Evolution, etc. I'm currently on KDE, but maybe I'll switch back to gnome, soon :)


Last edited by const on 22 September 2021 at 3:53 pm UTC

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Is DE bashing considered a hobby by now? Really boring.
I really like gnome shell but usually prefer alternative applications to stuff like Nautilus(?Files?), Evolution, etc. I'm currently on KDE, but maybe I'll switch back to gnome, soon :)

Nope, I was just sharing my feelings when exposed to it - someone told me it's all about the feels these days ;-). Was not supposed to have an influence on your opinion. Feel free to like whatever you do, but be aware that, you liking it, does not mean it can not anger or confuse me.

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Is DE bashing considered a hobby by now? Really boring.
I really like gnome shell but usually prefer alternative applications to stuff like Nautilus(?Files?), Evolution, etc. I'm currently on KDE, but maybe I'll switch back to gnome, soon :)

Nope, I was just sharing my feelings when exposed to it - someone told me it's all about the feels these days ;-). Was not supposed to have an influence on your opinion. Feel free to like whatever you do, but be aware that, you liking it, does not mean it can not anger or confuse me.

Define yourself with the things you love, not with the things you hate.
(Taken from somewhere on GoL)

First thing I do with gnome is installing plata-noir theme (https://gitlab.com/tista500/plata-theme) and papirus icon theme (https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-icon-theme). After that it is the perfect desktop for me. Small tip: learning the keyboard shortcuts makes life on Gnome way easier and using them imho fits much better into the intended way of working.

Define yourself with the things you love, not with the things you hate.
(Taken from somewhere on GoL)

And true to that spirit I shouted my rejection of it into the world, that my words may become real, and it shall not define me in any way shape or form henceforth. ;-)

Define yourself with the things you love, not with the things you hate.
(Taken from somewhere on GoL)

And true to that spirit I shouted my rejection of it into the world, that my words may become real, and it shall not define me in any way shape or form henceforth. ;-)

Very cool, cannot top that mastery of language :)

It looks like they haven't finished porting the core apps to GTK 4 yet.

Oddly enough, I've just installed KDE and given it a shot. I'm on it right now and there's a lot to love, but there's still a few things I do miss from my beloved Gnome 3.38. There's no expo when you press the Super key, just some ancient-looking menu that appears. I guess that's more familiar to Windows escapees, but it's jarring after a few years on Gnome-shell.

I also miss a lot of the gnome extensions I ended up relying on. It's early days though, so perhaps I'll find KDE equivalents for these in due course. I had a lovely CPU/Net history thing on my top panel - can't find a good one of those yet. I'll keep searching.

Finally, the panel font in KDE is pretty naff. I'm sure that theme-related, so I'll keep hunting.

All that to say, Gnome is really, really beautiful, and flexible in ways that I think KDE people have previously looked down on a little. But with a bit of work, you could put either in front of me and I'd be a happy penguin.

Oddly enough, I've just installed KDE and given it a shot. I'm on it right now and there's a lot to love, but there's still a few things I do miss from my beloved Gnome 3.38. There's no expo when you press the Super key, just some ancient-looking menu that appears. I guess that's more familiar to Windows escapees, but it's jarring after a few years on Gnome-shell.

I also miss a lot of the gnome extensions I ended up relying on. It's early days though, so perhaps I'll find KDE equivalents for these in due course. I had a lovely CPU/Net history thing on my top panel - can't find a good one of those yet. I'll keep searching.

Finally, the panel font in KDE is pretty naff. I'm sure that theme-related, so I'll keep hunting.

All that to say, Gnome is really, really beautiful, and flexible in ways that I think KDE people have previously looked down on a little. But with a bit of work, you could put either in front of me and I'd be a happy penguin.

You can configure it, e.g. in System settings->Shortcuts->kwin->show windows of current desktop (My desktop is german, so names may be slightly different). I found it to be a little buggy sometimes and it seems you can't bind it to "meta" directly anymore, but maybe meta-ctrl or something similar would work for you? I can absolutely understand why you miss it. Same for me, amazing feature once you get used to it.


Last edited by const on 22 September 2021 at 5:49 pm UTC

Oddly enough, I've just installed KDE and given it a shot. I'm on it right now and there's a lot to love, but there's still a few things I do miss from my beloved Gnome 3.38. There's no expo when you press the Super key, just some ancient-looking menu that appears. I guess that's more familiar to Windows escapees, but it's jarring after a few years on Gnome-shell.

I also miss a lot of the gnome extensions I ended up relying on. It's early days though, so perhaps I'll find KDE equivalents for these in due course. I had a lovely CPU/Net history thing on my top panel - can't find a good one of those yet. I'll keep searching.

Finally, the panel font in KDE is pretty naff. I'm sure that theme-related, so I'll keep hunting.

All that to say, Gnome is really, really beautiful, and flexible in ways that I think KDE people have previously looked down on a little. But with a bit of work, you could put either in front of me and I'd be a happy penguin.

You can configure it, e.g. in System settings->Shortcuts->kwin->show windows of current desktop (My desktop is german, so names may be slightly different). I found it to be a little buggy sometimes and it seems you can't bind it to "meta" directly anymore, but maybe meta-ctrl or something similar would work for you? I can absolutely understand why you miss it. Same for me, amazing feature once you get used to it.

The English edition calls it 'Present Windows'. On Plasma there's a per-application mode as well (in addition to per-desktop, & all-desktops), which I find extremely useful. (Something that I've missed since OS X Snow Leopard)

As to panel applets, I use this net speed widget: https://github.com/dfaust/plasma-applet-netspeed-widget — it's very minimalistic, but it looks nice & simple. Depending on your distro, you may have to install ksysguard separately to make the probes, so to speak, function.

Edit: It's also possible to spread all virtual desktops on a grid with present windows activated on all of them; the feature is called 'Desktop Grid' under 'Desktop Effects'. I think it's pretty confusing to put functionality like this under the 'effects' heading, though, which more appropriately contains controls for blur & transparency levels, etc.

By the way, desktop settings will get several updates when Plasma 5.83 comes out in a few weeks.


Last edited by walther von stolzing on 22 September 2021 at 6:08 pm UTC

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Is DE bashing considered a hobby by now? Really boring.
I really like gnome shell but usually prefer alternative applications to stuff like Nautilus(?Files?), Evolution, etc. I'm currently on KDE, but maybe I'll switch back to gnome, soon :)

Evolution still seems to be the best / most stable groupware program for Linux. Every time I use kmail I want to call it Outlook... And well Outlook I think is the biggest pile of shit to ever stink up my desktop.

Oddly enough, I've just installed KDE and given it a shot. I'm on it right now and there's a lot to love, but there's still a few things I do miss from my beloved Gnome 3.38. There's no expo when you press the Super key, just some ancient-looking menu that appears. I guess that's more familiar to Windows escapees, but it's jarring after a few years on Gnome-shell.

I also miss a lot of the gnome extensions I ended up relying on. It's early days though, so perhaps I'll find KDE equivalents for these in due course. I had a lovely CPU/Net history thing on my top panel - can't find a good one of those yet. I'll keep searching.

Finally, the panel font in KDE is pretty naff. I'm sure that theme-related, so I'll keep hunting.

All that to say, Gnome is really, really beautiful, and flexible in ways that I think KDE people have previously looked down on a little. But with a bit of work, you could put either in front of me and I'd be a happy penguin.

You can configure it, e.g. in System settings->Shortcuts->kwin->show windows of current desktop (My desktop is german, so names may be slightly different). I found it to be a little buggy sometimes and it seems you can't bind it to "meta" directly anymore, but maybe meta-ctrl or something similar would work for you? I can absolutely understand why you miss it. Same for me, amazing feature once you get used to it.

Yeah I use the 'activities' screen as a replacement for needing a task bar. Works wonders, and is as intended. Giant box with icons on it seems to take up far more space than a thin bar at the top for me... Which is also why whenever I try out one of the other custom Gnome distros, I end up ripping out the custom session and using standard gnome-session, the way our gnome overlords chose. Though with Gnome 4x, I do install the vertical desktop as I hate the dash/dock at the bottom!

Gnome 41 is stupidly fast compared to 40, sadly tho I got a flicker bug in gdm and in games so not usuable for me yet.

Gnome 41 is stupidly fast compared to 40, sadly tho I got a flicker bug in gdm and in games so not usuable for me yet.

Is Games ever going to be usable? Every time I have tried it just tells me that the backends aren't supported yet.

Would really love to try GNOME on some of my devices, but I hate the top bar and want a traditional panel on the bottom.. It's what keeps me using KDE on 100% of my computers.
No, I do not consider tweaking/hacking the shell an option :P


Last edited by ridge on 22 September 2021 at 8:19 pm UTC

Jupp, that video captures the spirit of the DE - it leaves me similarly confused and angry.

Is DE bashing considered a hobby by now? Really boring.
I really like gnome shell but usually prefer alternative applications to stuff like Nautilus(?Files?), Evolution, etc. I'm currently on KDE, but maybe I'll switch back to gnome, soon :)

Evolution still seems to be the best / most stable groupware program for Linux. Every time I use kmail I want to call it Outlook... And well Outlook I think is the biggest pile of shit to ever stink up my desktop.

This might very well be true, but I use thunderbird since ages and see no reason to switch. Yet I had to keep evolution as gnome depends on it for the clock... not sure if that's still the case.

Would really love to try GNOME on some of my devices, but I hate the top bar and want a traditional panel on the bottom.. It's what keeps me using KDE on 100% of my computers.
No, I do not consider tweaking/hacking the shell an option :P

Installing a gnome shell extension like dash to panel neither?