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Some interesting details from the latest stats:

1. GPU shift from Nvidia to AMD among GOL users has been almost flat for a while, likely due to major GPU shortages and inflated prices, which makes most wait and not upgrade their GPUs.

2. Radeon RX 6900 XT has more users than RX 6800 XT and RX 6800. Probably also skewed due to shortages. Usually it's the opposite picture.

Is there any interest in switching the Arch/Ubuntu-based groups to a pkg/deb/rpm/portage-based groups? If not, any chance of adding Red Hat-based and Gentoo-based groupsto the existing graphs?

Hey Liam, maybe you should add a Steam Deck question, akin to the VR one, to the survey?

Some interesting details from the latest stats:

1. GPU shift from Nvidia to AMD among GOL users has been almost flat for a while, likely due to major GPU shortages and inflated prices, which makes most wait and not upgrade their GPUs.

2. Radeon RX 6900 XT has more users than RX 6800 XT and RX 6800. Probably also skewed due to shortages. Usually it's the opposite picture.

True, but I switched to a 3070 Ti even though I prefer AMD, but since I could not get the 6800 or 6900 passively cooled by heat pipes, since they ... just get too hot not to actively cool them.

On the 3070 Ti I could opt into two active coolers which only jump on if the voltage transformers get too hot, which would be about if they get into a permanent load of > 80 % for several minutes (I decided to get two very silent coolers I don't really hear since the case is padded too, since those are just ~400RPM coolers - that's not an option for AMD either). I just was not able to do that with the AMD counterparts, they require active cooling a lot earlier and more heavily or so to say .. permanently if they get under load.

Sucks, but I think that AMD still has some work to do to catch up in that part. I'm aware that's a corner case and nobody really cares but me, but I like not actually hearing my system :D.


Last edited by STiAT on 27 September 2021 at 12:04 am UTC

I just was not able to do that with the AMD counterparts, they require active cooling a lot earlier or so to say .. permanently if they get under load.

Sucks, but I think that AMD still has some work to do to catch up in that part. I'm aware that's a corner case and nobody really cares but me, but I like not actually hearing my system :D.

I didn't do an extensive research, but my Sapphire Pulse RX 6800 XT is not spinning fans and is completely silent under normal desktop operation, running at around 53-55°C (edge). When under load like gaming, fans start working obviously. I find it a pretty good setup. Plus even under load fans are pretty quiet so I have nothing to complain about quiet operation wise.


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 12:06 am UTC

I just was not able to do that with the AMD counterparts, they require active cooling a lot earlier or so to say .. permanently if they get under load.

Sucks, but I think that AMD still has some work to do to catch up in that part. I'm aware that's a corner case and nobody really cares but me, but I like not actually hearing my system :D.

I didn't do an extensive research, but my Sapphire Pulse RX 6800 XT is not spinning fans and is completely silent under normal desktop operation, running at around 53-55°C (edge). When under load like gaming, fans start working obviously. I find it a pretty good setup. Plus even under load fans are pretty quiet.

My fans don't even start when gaming ;-). That's what I was aiming for.

I have not tried the Sapphire card though, but since it's a 6800 TX it is about cooling down 320W to 290W, and that makes a difference.


Last edited by STiAT on 27 September 2021 at 12:10 am UTC

My fans don't even start when gaming ;-). That's what I was aiming for.

I see. I doubt it's possible with higher end models, regardless whether it's AMD or Nvidia. For slightly more mid range ones - may be, especially if you downclock them.

I.e. 6800 XT is comparable to something like 3080 Ti I suppose, not 3070?


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 12:11 am UTC

My fans don't even start when gaming ;-). That's what I was aiming for.

I see. I doubt it's possible with higher end models, regardless whether it's AMD or Nvidia. For mid range ones - may be, especially if you downclock them.

It's about the voltage they take and the actual passive cooling they'd take. My tower weights 24KG for that reason ... but 30W difference makes a huge difference on actually being able to passively cool them.

My fans don't even start when gaming ;-). That's what I was aiming for.

I see. I doubt it's possible with higher end models, regardless whether it's AMD or Nvidia. For slightly more mid range ones - may be, especially if you downclock them.

I.e. 6800 XT is comparable to something like 3080 Ti I suppose, not 3070?

And according to tests, 6800 XT is actually worse than 3070Ti to the sources I am reading at least. But ye, I couldn't cool a 3080 either ...

And according to tests, 6800 XT is actually worse than 3070Ti to the sources I am reading at least. But ye, I couldn't cool a 3080 either ...

From what I was reading, 6800 XT is pretty close to 3080 Ti, so I don't expect it to be worse than 3070 Ti really (I mean performance wise).


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 12:14 am UTC

And according to tests, 6800 XT is actually worse than 3070Ti to the sources I am reading at least. But ye, I couldn't cool a 3080 either ...

From what I was reading, 6800 XT is pretty close to 3080 Ti, so I don't expect it to be worse than 3070 Ti really (I mean performance wise).

Very well, I've looked it up, it's actually true, the 6800 TX is ~3.6 % faster than a 3070 Ti, and ~5 % slower than a 3080, so somewhere in between those two :D.

Very well, I've looked it up, it's actually true, the 6800 TX is ~3.6 % faster than a 3070 Ti, and ~5 % slower than a 3080, so somewhere in between those two :D.

Plus from what I was reading about Linux gaming specifically, in some workloads Nvidia is just worse due to some of their driver deficiencies, like with vkd3d-proton especially. So I don't regret getting 6800 XT since at least currently I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077.


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 12:54 am UTC

Sadly I cannot update the specs (as likely many people). It's not that problem of shortage, as I know some places (online) that can be bought one. But the prices are to hight, 2x or 3x (or more) over a msrp that it's already over-expensive, it's to much for a casual linux gamer like me. It's insane.

Plus from what I was reading about Linux gaming specifically, in some workloads Nvidia is just worse due to some of their driver deficiencies, like with vkd3d-proton especially. So I don't regret getting 6800 XT since at least currently I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077.

This was quite true some time ago but right now, especially with Ampere, the performance is really close to windows. I'm playing cyberpunk again, started last year with a 2060, and the performance was basically 70% when compared to windows. Now I've moved to a 3060ti and tested again and when compared to windows I'm losing around 5 to 10% only. And we also have DLSS working with Cyberpunk, I'm not really sure how Lutris team did it, but DLSS is working perfectly on this game. :)

I guess it improved then? I remember vkd3d-proton developers saying it's not going to happen soon.

I get around 80 fps with max settings and 2560 x 1440 with RX 6800 XT so that works well without upscaling.


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 9:17 am UTC

Sadly I cannot update the specs (as likely many people). It's not that problem of shortage, as I know some places (online) that can be bought one. But the prices are to hight, 2x or 3x (or more) over a msrp that it's already over-expensive, it's to much for a casual linux gamer like me. It's insane.

I was lucky to update in updating in early 2020. If I would sit on my old hardware now, I'd just keep on sitting on it. ;)

Under normal circumstances, I would have had to update my build for the video card by now, but with these crazy prices, I'm just not going to buy one right now. I'm waiting until prices return to some semblance of normal.

I guess it improved then? I remember vkd3d-proton developers saying it's not going to happen soon.

I get around 80 fps with max settings and 2560 x 1440 with RX 6800 XT so that works well without upscaling.

Yes. It did, in some games the performance with VKD3d is better than with DXVK for me, for instance with Mortal Shell. With DXVK I need to put the shadows on low otherwise in some places I get less than 30 fps, some weird bug. With VKD3D I get 75fps all the time on all areas with just a few slowdowns, playing at 3440x1440 with everything on ultra.

Cyberpunk with DLSS on Performance and everything on ultra I get around 50 to 60 fps at this resolution.
Without DLSS something around 30fps.

And according to tests, 6800 XT is actually worse than 3070Ti to the sources I am reading at least. But ye, I couldn't cool a 3080 either ...

From what I was reading, 6800 XT is pretty close to 3080 Ti, so I don't expect it to be worse than 3070 Ti really (I mean performance wise).

Very well, I've looked it up, it's actually true, the 6800 TX is ~3.6 % faster than a 3070 Ti, and ~5 % slower than a 3080, so somewhere in between those two :D.

The latest tests I've seen from Phoronix show the 6800 XT overall beating out the 3070 Ti rather easily and even edging out the 3080 overall (note: not the 3080 Ti; they don't currently have one of those to test). On those tests, the 6800 (non-XT) results look more like what you've stated.

Of course, Phoronix results are Linux only, but I'm not generally concerned with Windows results because I don't use Windows at home for anything but tying in to work (and that only because the software that lets me answer my work desk phone from home only works on Windows). Since they've shifted us back to coming into the office, I don't even really do that anymore (I can do on-call work from home on Linux).

If you have Linux results from another source I'd like to add it to the sources I look at for reference.

Thanks.


Last edited by CFWhitman on 27 September 2021 at 1:09 pm UTC

3440x1440

Cyberpunk with DLSS on Performance and everything on ultra I get around 50 to 60 fps at this resolution.
Without DLSS something around 30fps.

Yeah, at this resolution I'd imagine you might need upscaling with that card. I'm using 2560x1440 so didn't face the need for it so far.


Last edited by Shmerl on 27 September 2021 at 5:09 pm UTC