Valve's Steam Deck dev kit got the early benchmark treatment

Those are pretty impressive numbers. With those thermals, in winter the Deck will also replace a hot cup of tea for some people :P

CDPR are welcome to tweak their Stadia version of CP2077 and make a native release for Steam Deck ;)

I wonder if they'll add AMD FRS support to Proton and do some upscale to 800p... Did that with Witcher 3 and F1 2021 (900p upscaled to 1080p). It lowered my GPU temps by 10°-15° (probably not going to happen on an APU) while giving me a performance boost with no noticeable visual impacts. In fact, imo, the contrasts looked better and it solved my fan noise issues.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 30 September 2021 at 3:40 pm UTC

Quoting: MohandevirI wonder if they'll add AMD FRS support to Proton and do some upscale to 800p... Did that with Witcher 3 and F1 2021 (900p upscaled to 1080p). It lowered my GPU temps by 10°-15° (probably not going to happen on an APU) while giving me a performance boost with no noticeable visual impacts. In fact, imo, the contrasts looked better and it solved my fan noise issues.

A more likely use case for FSR than games running on the internal display is to scale up the image when the device is docked and avoid a performance hit.

QuoteOne concern seems to be how hot it got after playing Cyberpunk. Not a very realistic game to be playing on High settings on the Steam Deck though.

But this is not a Deck+Cyberpunk specific issue.
Every game that will squeeze the squeezable out of the Deck would have that issue.
I can't read chinese, but i think every game in that list exposed the problem (still, 42 is not that much as long as the deck can keep working without throttling and the handles are fine).


Last edited by kokoko3k on 30 September 2021 at 4:13 pm UTC

I think AMD FSR will really shine on this device (and higher resolutions on small screens are placebo) and those results are very good, specially considering that none of those games were optimized by the developers to run on deck (yet).

The only concern now is the battery time, if it lasts for at least 3 hours then it's already a success in my book :)

OT:
Is there a way to inject FSR in games that do not support it natively, maybe through vkBasalt?


Last edited by kokoko3k on 30 September 2021 at 4:24 pm UTC

Quoting: kokoko3kOT:
Is there a way to inject FSR in games that do not support it natively, maybe through vkBasalt?

Yes. One of the custom Protons (I think GE?) has it automatically for the part that scales the window size to the display size (FSHack), and gamescope does the same conversion: they've already said that they're interested in having FSR available as a scaling method there. Vulkan-only, I think, and it doesn't work if the game has its own scaling, and it makes the UI blurry if you do it outside of the game.

Surprised to see some of these framerates, I was scared we were going to see them capping out at 60 or maybe even 30 in some situations (with "console quality" settings) but it seems like it's definitely chugging something along

Quoting: ShmerlCDPR are welcome to tweak their Stadia version of CP2077 and make a native release for Steam Deck ;)

Does anybody have an idea if this could be legit?

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: MohandevirI wonder if they'll add AMD FRS support to Proton and do some upscale to 800p... Did that with Witcher 3 and F1 2021 (900p upscaled to 1080p). It lowered my GPU temps by 10°-15° (probably not going to happen on an APU) while giving me a performance boost with no noticeable visual impacts. In fact, imo, the contrasts looked better and it solved my fan noise issues.

A more likely use case for FSR than games running on the internal display is to scale up the image when the device is docked and avoid a performance hit.

One doesn't prevent the other. I mean, for edge cases like CP2077, FSR could help raise the fps counter for a smoother overall experience, on the native screen.

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: kokoko3kOT:
Is there a way to inject FSR in games that do not support it natively, maybe through vkBasalt?

Yes. One of the custom Protons (I think GE?) has it automatically for the part that scales the window size to the display size (FSHack), and gamescope does the same conversion: they've already said that they're interested in having FSR available as a scaling method there. Vulkan-only, I think, and it doesn't work if the game has its own scaling, and it makes the UI blurry if you do it outside of the game.

Personally, I followed this "How to":

Forbes: AMD FSR via ProtonGE

Quoting: MohandevirOne doesn't prevent the other. I mean, for edge cases like CP2077, FSR could help raise the fps counter for a smoother overall experience, on the native screen.

Sure, and once you've got the framework in place you could use it either way, but if you've got less than 1280×800 pixels available, that's not a lot of information to work with to make the image look good; you'd probably rather turn something else down other than the resolution to get better performance. Whereas having the same performance docked as not, and having an image that doesn't look too terrible, would be universally pretty useful.

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: MohandevirOne doesn't prevent the other. I mean, for edge cases like CP2077, FSR could help raise the fps counter for a smoother overall experience, on the native screen.

Sure, and once you've got the framework in place you could use it either way, but if you've got less than 1280×800 pixels available, that's not a lot of information to work with to make the image look good; you'd probably rather turn something else down other than the resolution to get better performance. Whereas having the same performance docked as not, and having an image that doesn't look too terrible, would be universally pretty useful.

It might be something easier to implement with an officially supported build, optimized for the Steam Deck? Something like variable resolution, depending on the screen's output resolution (native or external)?

Quoting: MohandevirIt might be something easier to implement with an officially supported build, optimized for the Steam Deck? Something like variable resolution, depending on the screen's output resolution (native or external)?

Gamescope already sits between the game surface and the display surface, and can happily lie to either of them as it sees fit (hence being able to easily cap the framerate at 30 fps if you want to, to save battery). It should be pretty straightforward to slot FSR in there as an automatic scaling method. There are already a couple to choose from.

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: MohandevirIt might be something easier to implement with an officially supported build, optimized for the Steam Deck? Something like variable resolution, depending on the screen's output resolution (native or external)?

Gamescope already sits between the game surface and the display surface, and can happily lie to either of them as it sees fit (hence being able to easily cap the framerate at 30 fps if you want to, to save battery). It should be pretty straightforward to slot FSR in there as an automatic scaling method. There are already a couple to choose from.

Forgot about that piece of tech. Looking forward to see it in action. Didn't know it could be used for "FSR Scaling". Awesome!

Edit: Forgot that CP2077 was tested at High preset... 20-30fps in those conditions is already surprising for such a device... I expected that kind of performances... At low preset.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 30 September 2021 at 6:36 pm UTC

Quoting: MohandevirForgot about that piece of tech. Looking forward to see it in action. Didn't know it could be used for "FSR Scaling". Awesome!

Well, it can't yet, as far as we know, but they said that they're interested.

https://github.com/Plagman/gamescope/issues/215#issuecomment-885932306

QuoteYes, FSR is potentially something we'd be interested in.

Last edited by CatKiller on 30 September 2021 at 6:37 pm UTC

Quoting: kokoko3kOT:
Is there a way to inject FSR in games that do not support it natively, maybe through vkBasalt?

With Proton-GE you can use the
WINE_FULLSCREEN_FSR=1 %command% on your launch options to enable FSR in most titles. I tried it on Control and Shadow of War. Image is blurry in 1080p but before DLSS comes to Control this is the way to increase the FPS for me. You can adjust the sharpness with the number. It can be between 0-5. I'm using 0 in Shadow of War and my eyes are pretty adjusted to it. Performance gain is more like 10-20 FPS in this setting for me but it a gain nonetheless.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ShmerlCDPR are welcome to tweak their Stadia version of CP2077 and make a native release for Steam Deck ;)

Does anybody have an idea if this could be legit?

I have no way to check if it's legit, but it's not hard to imagine. Stadia is Linux. I suppose with enough motivation CDPR can release a native version.


Last edited by Shmerl on 30 September 2021 at 8:33 pm UTC

Quoting: ArehandoroThose are pretty impressive numbers. With those thermals, in winter the Deck will also replace a hot cup of tea for some people :P

A hot cup of tea cannot be replaced by a piece of silicone! But I know what you mean 😏


Last edited by logge on 30 September 2021 at 8:34 pm UTC