Forza Horizon 4 is getting delisted in December

Aw I tried playing it on steam deck once, but the experience was just bad. I can't comprehend how it is 'playable'. I had frequent crashing, performance problems, sign in problems, in short, nothing but issues. Never had these while playing 60+ hours on Windows.

Anyways, this is not the end of the game like it was for 'The Crew'. Forza 3 was delisted ages ago and still works, albeit not on Linux thanks to being a UWP app.I'm pretty sure even Forza 1 and 2 still are, but they never came to PC


Last edited by Stella on 27 June 2024 at 12:09 pm UTC

Be nice if they could port the original content to the next game etc.

Personally think they should make a fully original Halo themed Forza on a halo ring and make a ton of original cars.
Nonlicense issues there.

Surprised we dont see some better licensing deals to keep games from being removed but maybe thats the way companies like it.

It's playable offline? Maybe worth to buy it...

Such a shame, all these licensing deals wreak havoc on game preservation. That's only 6 years after release, which is really not a long time.

I wonder does the same thing happen to movies? Like, have you ever heard of a movie being taken down due to expired music license?

Oh no, this is very bad. Wasn't Forza 4 a live service game?

I'm so glad to say there's pirated version on the net. I do have it bought but it requires a Microsoft account so...yeah...

Really the saddest part is they never got the game working properly on Linux, idk how it runs on the Deck but it is PAINFUL on my 3060Ti 9th gen i7 due to random "physics stutters" every few seconds

PS: Such a great game, if you got a Windows PC and like racing games, you MUST play it, legit or otherwise


Last edited by based on 27 June 2024 at 2:38 pm UTC

Such a shame, all these licensing deals wreak havoc on game preservation. That's only 6 years after release, which is really not a long time.

I wonder does the same thing happen to movies? Like, have you ever heard of a movie being taken down due to expired music license?

I think they just stop selling the movies in question

I wonder why a company with as much leverage as Microsoft even agrees to licensing like that. Why game studios that large don't insist on non-expiring per-project licensing is beyond me.

I wonder what happens to pirate copies...
who's gonna sue them?
Sounds like a de-facto free zone to me.


Last edited by kokoko3k on 27 June 2024 at 6:45 pm UTC

I wonder does the same thing happen to movies? Like, have you ever heard of a movie being taken down due to expired music license?

Happened quite a bit with TV-series in the past. For example:

"Only the first season of Malcolm in the Middle has been released on DVD. In the U.S., season two was set to be released in the fall of 2003, but was cancelled due to high costs of music clearances."
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_in_the_Middle#Home_media

I presume those aren't issues with modern productions.

I wonder why a company with as much leverage as Microsoft even agrees to licensing like that. Why game studios that large don't insist on non-expiring per-project licensing is beyond me.

For racing games, I can almost guarantee it is because the car companies want people to 'ooh and aah' about their newer vehicles.

Music companies definitely have everyone else by the short and curlies though.

Such a shame, all these licensing deals wreak havoc on game preservation.

You actually fear that Valve is going to remove the game?

I wonder what happens to pirate copies...
who's gonna sue them?
Sounds like a de-facto free zone to me.

Just because it's not sold anymore doesn't void the licenses. With this premise free software would not be possible, would it?


Last edited by poiuz on 28 June 2024 at 6:25 am UTC

This was always bound to happen sadly..... With licenced cars and music.....
Forza Horizon 4 only came to steam in 2021 and now its going to be gone forever...... That is a very tiny window on purchase......

When GTR2 re-released the games on Steam they lost the Ferrari and Porsche licence...... And they had to make the Ferraris and Porsches gray bricks and also make them non selectable by the player......... So this is not a new issue at all......

Thankfully I have never cared about Forza(Or anything that requires a Xbox Live Account)........ But it does indeed suck for anyone who might care in the future who never had a chance to buy it when it was available.......

I wonder why a company with as much leverage as Microsoft even agrees to licensing like that.

Those contracts gives them reasons to remove the pesky older cheaper games...... And release a newer shiner more expensive game that will also be gone in a few short years and then the cycle continues.......

EA and 2K do this as well with their games...... Only F1 23 and F1 24 are available on Steam........ WWE 2K23 and WWE 2K24 are the only ones on steam as well..... Same with the likes of Madden and NBA......

It all boils down to money...... What a time to be alive.......

Such a shame, all these licensing deals wreak havoc on game preservation.

You actually fear that Valve is going to remove the game?

I wonder what happens to pirate copies...
who's gonna sue them?
Sounds like a de-facto free zone to me.

Just because it's not sold anymore doesn't void the licenses. With this premise free software would not be possible, would it?

(unrelated)
"License" is something that allows you to use a product under defined conditions, no license means no rights to use.

Btw, I was not speaking about licenses nor imply that copying that game becomes legal.

My question was "who's gonna sue" on purpose.
Since the game is not sold anymore, the interest from the publisher nears to zero. Would it really take actions against pirates?


Last edited by kokoko3k on 30 June 2024 at 5:07 am UTC

Think this is bad? Wait until those "requires online to play" games start getting this. Not only will they be de-listed, but they will also be unplayable.


Last edited by BlackBloodRum on 30 June 2024 at 5:24 pm UTC

Think this is bad? Wait until those "requires online to play" games start getting this. Not only will they be de-listed, but they will also be unplayable.

See also: Ubisoft's The Crew, which was not only delisted, but they then went and removed it from the libraries of everyone who had purchased it, too.

Think this is bad? Wait until those "requires online to play" games start getting this. Not only will they be de-listed, but they will also be unplayable.

See also: Ubisoft's The Crew, which was not only delisted, but they then went and removed it from the libraries of everyone who had purchased it, too.

Good lord. Was there fallout? I'd be out for scalp if someone did that to me.

Think this is bad? Wait until those "requires online to play" games start getting this. Not only will they be de-listed, but they will also be unplayable.

See also: Ubisoft's The Crew, which was not only delisted, but they then went and removed it from the libraries of everyone who had purchased it, too.

Good lord. Was there fallout? I'd be out for scalp if someone did that to me.

https://www.engadget.com/ubisoft-is-deleting-the-crew-from-players-libraries-reminding-us-we-own-nothing-165328083.html

I'm not even sure how that's legal, but definitely is a reminder to people that you don't own the games. And why DRM is ultimately anti-consumer.

Good lord. Was there fallout? I'd be out for scalp if someone did that to me.

https://www.engadget.com/ubisoft-is-deleting-the-crew-from-players-libraries-reminding-us-we-own-nothing-165328083.html

I'm not even sure how that's legal, but definitely is a reminder to people that you don't own the games. And why DRM is ultimately anti-consumer.

And it happened amidst a campaign relating to both this game and the larger issue! (There was a very paid-off-sounding follow-up here, too.)

Alas, I haven't seen too much fallout from it, myself. If you guys don't mind me being a little blunt for a moment: Gamers are usually terrible at organising, and everyone who accepted cosmetic horse-armour is to blame for the situation we now have today - they were warned about the slippery slope and refused to listen.

Good lord. Was there fallout? I'd be out for scalp if someone did that to me.

https://www.engadget.com/ubisoft-is-deleting-the-crew-from-players-libraries-reminding-us-we-own-nothing-165328083.html

I'm not even sure how that's legal, but definitely is a reminder to people that you don't own the games. And why DRM is ultimately anti-consumer.

And it happened amidst a campaign relating to both this game and the larger issue! (There was a very paid-off-sounding follow-up here, too.)

Alas, I haven't seen too much fallout from it, myself. If you guys don't mind me being a little blunt for a moment: Gamers are usually terrible at organising, and everyone who accepted cosmetic horse-armour is to blame for the situation we now have today - they were warned about the slippery slope and refused to listen.

I totally agree with this. Especially ones who have a massive library on Steam who tend to forget what they've bought about 15m after they buy it...

- Guilty here! I don't even know why I buy anything on Steam anymore, I have more than I'll ever play, not to mention 'retro' systems I can get entire libraries for... and yet, I end up playing games like Joust, Asteroids, Yars: Recharged, etc. Though recently I've been playing Dead Island 2. Wonderful game.

Good lord. Was there fallout? I'd be out for scalp if someone did that to me.

Since you didnt hear about the fallout then you know the answer...... The "fallout" lasted around 48 hours and then most people forgot and moved on to the next shiny new game........