Black Myth: Wukong shows very clearly Valve are selling a lot of Steam Decks

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Lol. If it was just about cops, I would agree. But its not.

And nice job addressing everything else I wrote.

From the wikipedia page, "BLM and its related organizations typically advocate for various policy changes related to black liberation"

Noble goals all, but if one were to replace "Black liberation" with "white liberation" it reads as a neo-nazi creed by Nick Land. And if we are to analyze the broader agenda of BLM and Black liberation movements they arent that much different from white supremacists.

Tell me this - if Black Americans are targeted because of race, why do African immigrants to America not experience this? Perhaps its related to socioeconomic class and poverty rather than race? This further confirms what I said anove abt supremacy movements.

As a corollary, perhaps the poor outcomes of American Blacks has more to do with cultural factors considering that poor immigrants from Africa tend to do better? Nobody is having this conversation.

Is police brutality in America a problem? Yes. Do American Blacks disproportionately suffer from poverty? Yes. But the question then arises why is the experience of African Blacks in America vastly different from that of American Blacks? The outcomes of Black Africans in America are much different and they largely do not experience the same issues. Should America do more outreach to Blacks in the Third World as the Soviet Union did? Probably.

The issues with American Police Brutality are systemic issues related to a broken policing system in general.


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Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: EikeIn my country (Germany), women weren't allowed to
* attend university 130 years ago,
* make politics 120 years ago,
* elect 110 years ago,
* decide how their own money is used in marriage 70 years ago,
* work without their husbands allowance 70 years ago.

But I guess they were celebrated, huh?

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

And in your country (Germany), men of low socioeconomic status weren't allowed to:
[...]
*elect (see above reasons)

You're wrong. Feel free to read it up.

(Interestingly, they had a higher quote of participation in 1912 than in 2021, so the poor were not only allowed to vote, they actually did.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerAt least do proper research before and think about what you write before writing nonsense

Well...

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerthough if you know history females werent at all oppressed and were celebrated all throughout human history

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: EikeIn my country (Germany), women weren't allowed to
* attend university 130 years ago,
* make politics 120 years ago,
* elect 110 years ago,
* decide how their own money is used in marriage 70 years ago,
* work without their husbands allowance 70 years ago.

But I guess they were celebrated, huh?

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

And in your country (Germany), men of low socioeconomic status weren't allowed to:
[...]
*elect (see above reasons)

You're wrong. Feel free to read it up.

(Interestingly, they had a higher quote of participation in 1912 than in 2021, so the poor were not only allowed to vote, they actually did.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerAt least do proper research before and think about what you write before writing nonsense

Well...

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerthough if you know history females werent at all oppressed and were celebrated all throughout human history

I'm still surprised by people saying such obvious lies.

I dont read German. Give me an English language source to verify.

Or better yet, go read "German Electoral History: From Empire to Republic" or "Suffrage and Voting Rights in Germany: From the 19th Century to Modern times" - it talks about restricted voting rights across German states based on property ownership, income or tax contributions restricting the ability of lower class men to vote.

The Weimar Republic introduced universal sufferage for all citizens over 20 regardless of Gender and class. So again your argument falls apart.

So no, women werent restricted from voting by the "evul patriarchy" or whatever other nonsense is promugulated nowadays. It was limited for everyone based on socioeconomic class, which is also something Marx touched on.

What obvious lies about women did I say? You conveniently ignore everything I wrote earlier about the celebration of women and their fertility and status. Of course you did though, as it doesnt fit your narrow narrative of the world.

The blatant lies and misrepresentation of history by the woke crowd for their own political agendas is absolutely sickening and tiring.


Last edited by Cato-the-younger on 30 September 2024 at 7:17 pm UTC

Quoting: tfk

QuoteWhy ignore a platform that's sold multiple millions, and is clearly just continuing to fly off the shelves?

Cause Sweeney hates us.

Sweeney doesn't hate us.
He hates Valve, because he can't use anti-competition law to force them to do his bidding(they're not anti-competative enough) and he hates software freedom, because it enables others to compete on his turf.
Also tens of millions of users isn't actually that much.
Serious platforms do ~150 million units nowadays.
To Sweeney the Steam Deck is still like the Vision Pro was to IOS developers.
Support dependent attempt at ensuring the future of someone you normally can't get around, but this time you can.

Quoting: sarmadSpeaking of Black Myth: Wukong, can it run on Steam Deck? I assume that is way too demanding title for the Steam Deck to handle, but I just thought of asking anyway.

these people seem to think so.

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerI dont read German. Give me an English language source to verify.

Why would you even dispute the fact that even poor men had the right to vote in many democracies well before women? If you claim to have researched this and can't find any evidence, I can only conclude that you intentionally skip over any source that doesn't seem to back up your claims.

I'm no expert on history myself, but here's a neat timeline of women's suffrage worldwide, and it has some surprising outliers. The famously "direct" democracy Switzerland only gave women the right to vote in the seventies, with one of their cantons (states) resisting this until 1991, when they were forced to comply. Swiss males have been able to vote since 1848. (If you don't trust the source, all the dates are independently verifiable, and there are links to references at the end.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerThe blatant lies and misrepresentation of history by the woke crowd for their own political agendas is absolutely sickening and tiring.

Says the person whose "knowledge" of history seems to be based entirely on misinformation and talking points from manosphere influencers grifters.

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: EikeYou're wrong. Feel free to read it up.

(Interestingly, they had a higher quote of participation in 1912 than in 2021, so the poor were not only allowed to vote, they actually did.)

I dont read German. Give me an English language source to verify.

That's your problem. I can. And did.
The source given is the German main legislative, Bundestag.
(I wonder if they'll invent automatic translation some day. Nah, sounds like science fiction fantasy to me.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerOr better yet, go read "German Electoral History: From Empire to Republic" or "Suffrage and Voting Rights in Germany: From the 19th Century to Modern times" - it talks about restricted voting rights across German states based on property ownership, income or tax contributions restricting the ability of lower class men to vote.

You seem to be talking about another period of time, or other countries. We're talking about Weimarer Republic, not some anonymous "German states".

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerThe Weimar Republic introduced universal sufferage for all citizens over 20 regardless of Gender and class. So again your argument falls apart.

Again you're talking about another period of time. That was in 1918.

I was talking - as you can easily see by only the headlines in the source I linked - about the time 1871-1918.

Again, for you convenience:
Women were discriminated against.
They were not allowed to vote, while men were allowed to vote independent of class and social status.
(And no, celebrating somebody doesn't compensate for basic rights.)

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat obvious lies about women did I say? You conveniently ignore everything I wrote earlier about the celebration of women and their fertility and status. Of course you did though, as it doesnt fit your narrow narrative of the world.

I was ignoring that to you favour. Would you give up voting right for men and exchange it for being "celebrated"? I sure wouldn't. It has got nothing to do with anybody's rights, and actually, it's quite showing that you seem to think it would.

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerThe blatant lies and misrepresentation of history by the woke crowd for their own political agendas is absolutely sickening and tiring.

So sorry for facts sickening and tiring you. It's a tough life sometimes...


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Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Lol. If it was just about cops, I would agree. But its not.

And nice job addressing everything else I wrote.

The problem is that pretty much everything else you wrote, all this stuff you think, is also based on weird propaganda that is not actually true about the real world.
There was a time when argument between the left and the right wing, even the fairly far right wing, was more or less possible, since everyone was working with pretty much the same set of facts, maybe emphasizing different ones, but the main dispute was about interpretation and ethical values, models of how it all fit together. I am not young, I remember when it was like that. Since that time, the hard right has gone and invented themselves a different set of "facts" which are just not true . . . there's still some stuff which is "true" if weirdly cherry-picked, like finding some "feminist" nobody has ever heard of doing a rant and then saying "look, this is how feminists think!!1!", but increasingly it's all just made up from nothing, having no relationship to reality in any way. Just simple lies.

It's clever, in the sense that if you want fundamentally decent people to support horrible ideas, probably the most effective way is to give them fake facts that support the horrible ideas instead of the real facts, which don't. But I don't have time or energy to debunk every goddamn weird social media echo-chamber nonsense you've unfortunately absorbed, and you wouldn't believe me if I did. It's a pity, and I'm sorry.

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-younger

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cato-the-youngerWhat is false exactly? That the rhetoric of say BLM if used by whites would get them labelled as "white supremacists"?

The rhetoric of BLM is that blacks in the US would really prefer it if cops would stop killing them. It would be weird coming from whites because the cops don't kill them nearly as much.
Really, what are you on?

Lol. If it was just about cops, I would agree. But its not.

And nice job addressing everything else I wrote.

The problem is that pretty much everything else you wrote, all this stuff you think, is also based on weird propaganda that is not actually true about the real world.
There was a time when argument between the left and the right wing, even the fairly far right wing, was more or less possible, since everyone was working with pretty much the same set of facts, maybe emphasizing different ones, but the main dispute was about interpretation and ethical values, models of how it all fit together. I am not young, I remember when it was like that. Since that time, the hard right has gone and invented themselves a different set of "facts" which are just not true . . . there's still some stuff which is "true" if weirdly cherry-picked, like finding some "feminist" nobody has ever heard of doing a rant and then saying "look, this is how feminists think!!1!", but increasingly it's all just made up from nothing, having no relationship to reality in any way. Just simple lies.

It's clever, in the sense that if you want fundamentally decent people to support horrible ideas, probably the most effective way is to give them fake facts that support the horrible ideas instead of the real facts, which don't. But I don't have time or energy to debunk every goddamn weird social media echo-chamber nonsense you've unfortunately absorbed, and you wouldn't believe me if I did. It's a pity, and I'm sorry.

But you have to admit, this happens with both the far-right and far-left. They are sucked so far down their particular rabbit holes due to whatever modern algorithm there is, that the only real way to dig yourself out is try and find multiple fact checking sources. Bith sides are full of crap, and usually the truth is somewhere closer to the middle.

Ha, to change up the "both sides have very fine people." I will say both sides have very terrible people. Fuuu, I saw earlier a post by some woman who was happy that towns of Republicans were washed away frome Helene... like wtf?