LibreQuake aims to create a completely free Quake alternative compatible with mods

Well… this will always be sketchy since Quake (unlike Doom or Quake 3 – not sure about Quake 2 without checking) includes a copy of the used textures in the compiled map file. So if you use maps made for the original game, you use the original textures even if you use this project as a base.

Quoting: KlaasWell… this will always be sketchy since Quake (unlike Doom or Quake 3 – not sure about Quake 2 without checking) includes a copy of the used textures in the compiled map file. So if you use maps made for the original game, you use the original textures even if you use this project as a base.

I checked on the project page, Quake is already open source since the 90s, LibreQuake intends to replace proprietary assets.

Quoting: amataiI checked on the project page, Quake is already open source since the 90s, LibreQuake intends to replace proprietary assets.

Yes, but that isn't related to the issue at all.

A copy of the proprietary assets, i.e. the textures used on a map is included in the distributed map. So all the back catalogue of old maps contains parts of the original game.

Textures made by LibreQuake will only be used by new maps that are made with LibreQuake. All other maps use the non-free textures.

Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: amataiI checked on the project page, Quake is already open source since the 90s, LibreQuake intends to replace proprietary assets.

Yes, but that isn't related to the issue at all.

A copy of the proprietary assets, i.e. the textures used on a map is included in the distributed map. So all the back catalogue of old maps contains parts of the original game.

Textures made by LibreQuake will only be used by new maps that are made with LibreQuake. All other maps use the non-free textures.

I doubt the maps themselves include the proprietary assets. They would just have references (i.e. keys/tags/names) to those assets within the game. If LibreQuake can act like a translation layer and swap out the proprietary assets for the free ones, old maps should be fine.

Quoting: MurrayI doubt the maps themselves include the proprietary assets.

Then look it up, please! You don't know what you're talking about! I hate it when everyone bangs on about something they don't know anything without checking.

Quake wasn't done the way that makes sense in hindsight.

The maps really contain a copy of every texture used, not a reference! Ask John Carmack why he has done it that way, but it it was he did. A copy of the wad containing the texture (what you need to use an editor) isn't even included in the game. The textures are only kept in the map files.

Last post – If you want to embarrass yourselves by keeping up correcting things without checking the facts, please keep going without me.

Edit: Since apparently everyone does not want to do a little search – here are the first results of a trivial search:
First paragraph on https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Textures
Paragraph 4.2.1 of https://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/spec/quake-spec34/qkspec_4.htm


Last edited by Klaas on 18 September 2024 at 6:44 am UTC

Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: MurrayI doubt the maps themselves include the proprietary assets.

Then look it up, please! You don't know what you're talking about! I hate it when everyone bangs on about something they don't know anything without checking.

Quake wasn't done the way that makes sense in hindsight.

The maps really contain a copy of every texture used, not a reference! Ask John Carmack why he has done it that way, but it it was he did. A copy of the wad containing the texture (what you need to use an editor) isn't even included in the game. The textures are only kept in the map files.

Last post – If you want to embarrass yourselves by keeping up correcting things without checking the facts, please keep going without me.

Edit: Since apparently everyone does not want to do a little search – here are the first results of a trivial search:
First paragraph on https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Textures
Paragraph 4.2.1 of https://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/spec/quake-spec34/qkspec_4.htm

Makes sense since the maps were created by the team along with the assets what well need is new maps custom maps with the new custom textures because if you simply slap the new textures over the old map layout it's not allowed

I'm 100% down to check this out. If it has local MP, that could be a good win for my gaming group!

Quoting: Murray

Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: amataiI checked on the project page, Quake is already open source since the 90s, LibreQuake intends to replace proprietary assets.

Yes, but that isn't related to the issue at all.

A copy of the proprietary assets, i.e. the textures used on a map is included in the distributed map. So all the back catalogue of old maps contains parts of the original game.

Textures made by LibreQuake will only be used by new maps that are made with LibreQuake. All other maps use the non-free textures.

I doubt the maps themselves include the proprietary assets. They would just have references (i.e. keys/tags/names) to those assets within the game. If LibreQuake can act like a translation layer and swap out the proprietary assets for the free ones, old maps should be fine.

it only bakes in textures to the .bsp
stuff like keys are .mdls and have their own bsd3 texture

the only thing where this is an issue is when devs who make quake maps use stock quake textures (which technically they shouldn't be doing but but that's not are issue for librequake just an issue for the devs distributing id software textures though id software doesn't seem to care even including mods that use id-software textures in the quake 1 re-release

anyways many map jams and community map packs are made with community made textures which have their own set of licenses (usually non commercial) (example https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/makkon-textures.28/)

librequake is only distributing our own textures and maps so im not sure what the issue is here