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Sorry to say, but I'm here to bring a more realistic take and to help keep all your feet on the ground.
This comes from a Microsoft blog post titled "Taking steps that drive resiliency and security for Windows customers", which is as a result of the recent CrowdStrike incident where an update took down millions of Windows PCs due to it running at the kernel-level inside Windows.
One that has been really doing the rounds lately, especially across Reddit and other social media is from Notebookcheck, with a rather sensational article title of "Microsoft paves the way for Linux gaming success with plan that would kill kernel-level anti-cheat".
Here's the thing: Microsoft don't actually say they will kill off kernel-level access, and if they tried that (again - they tried with Vista before), they will no doubt again face some pretty serious push-back from both cybersecurity vendors and regulators across various countries. Something that would likely be more hassle than its actually worth. What Microsoft do actually talk about, is providing additional options that are outside of kernel mode - a whole new platform to "meet the needs of security vendors".
This new security platform, if vendors chose to actually go ahead and use it, could mean the opposite for Linux gaming, and cause a whole bunch of new headaches when it comes to supporting it regardless of it being via Native Linux games, or Windows games through Wine and Proton. So if anything, I would say that rather than paving the way for Linux gaming to get better, it's just going to be another hurdle. As annoying as that is.
Just because some things may move out of the kernel-level, also doesn't mean things will suddenly work on Linux (or get any easier to support via Wine / Proton). There will be various ways for developers to detect Linux, and continue to block it.
Just look at Destiny 2 as the easy and simple example here, they very clearly check for and completely block Linux platforms from playing Destiny 2 via Proton with no way around it. From the official Bungie website:
Steam Deck and Destiny 2
Destiny 2 is not supported for play on the Steam Deck or on any system utilizing Steam Play's Proton unless Windows is installed and running. Players who attempt to launch Destiny 2 on the Steam Deck through SteamOS or Proton will be unable to enter the game and will be returned to their game library after a short time.
Players who are not accessing Destiny 2 through Windows and attempt to bypass the SteamOS/Proton incompatibility will be met with a game ban.
You could expect to see more of that.
Then there's another easy example, Rust from Facepunch. Garry Newman has been pretty outspoken in the past about it, and how when they last had Rust supported on Linux, another Facepunch developer noted it caused more cheating issues for them to have to deal with.
How about Fortnite? That's pretty much a "lol no" event too, it's not like things being client-side will suddenly mean Fortnite would work on Linux, it would absolutely continue to be blocked. At least, not until Linux / Steam Deck has tens of millions of users according to Epic's Tim Sweeney.
Roblox is an additional easy example here to really make the point. Their latest anti-cheat is not kernel level, and completely blocks Linux. Something doesn't need to be in the kernel to block Linux-based systems. This caused projects like Sober to appear to run the Android version.
There's really no easy answer to the anti-cheat problem for Linux / Steam Deck gaming right now, aside from perhaps developers having things done server-side where the platform you're playing on is less of an issue, or cloud gaming where the game isn't even on your machine. That's not to say it will be a problem that will never be solved, just don't expect changes to the way Windows handles things like security, anti-tamper, anti-cheat and so on to be in any way beneficial for Linux.
As usual, over to you in the comments: what are you thinking?
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Cyba.Cowboy 3 days ago
Quoting: pleasereadthemanualBut is the anticheat as effective as the Windows' counterpart? This has consistently been the reason companies provide for not enabling Linux support. And why both BattlEye and EAC make it optional—it's not as effective.
Well that's on the developers of said anti-cheat software, if it's not as effective... If the anti-cheat software is not as effective as under a Microsoft Windows-based operating system, then the developers just aren't putting in as much effort for the Linux version.
Quoting: pleasereadthemanualBut is the anticheat as effective as the Windows' counterpart? This has consistently been the reason companies provide for not enabling Linux support.
It's also exactly what you'd say if you couldn't be bothered to do something for a small audience and had necessarily-secret software to use as an excuse.
Maybe it isn't as effective; maybe it could be made as effective with sufficient effort; maybe they're repeating what their software vendor who can't be bothered told them. "We can't be bothered to do things because reasons" isn't by itself trustworthy.
pleasereadthemanual 3 days ago
Quoting: Cyba.Cowboythen the developers just aren't putting in as much effort for the Linux version.(which wouldn't be the first time we've seen this)
Quoting: CatKillerIt's also exactly what you'd say if you couldn't be bothered to do something for a small audience and had necessarily-secret software to use as an excuse.That's certainly true. I don't know enough about how it works to say whether an as-effective solution is feasible.
Quoting: pleasereadthemanualQuoting: Cyba.Cowboythen the developers just aren't putting in as much effort for the Linux version.(which wouldn't be the first time we've seen this)
Quoting: CatKillerIt's also exactly what you'd say if you couldn't be bothered to do something for a small audience and had necessarily-secret software to use as an excuse.That's certainly true. I don't know enough about how it works to say whether an as-effective solution is feasible.
As far as I know, kernel anti-cheat is ineffective even on Windows, so I'm not sure what the devs are complaining about and what they are smoking.
So not today, not tomorrow, but kernel tampering will eventually become a non accceptable practice.
Quoting: ZeloxI know there is a lot of Microsoft hate here, and I dont blame anyone, but my dream is that Microsoft goes full Linux, let there services like microsoft 360, cloud and other services be behind a license.
Windows becomes free. From what Iv heard Windows is only a small % of there income.
I work as a software engineer in Net and Microsoft really know what they are doing with C# and .NET .
.NET also works like a charm on Mac and Linux, and we even run our services and software on Red hat machines, we used to run them on Windows servers but it was just time consuming and slow, and the apps and services goes a lot faster on Linux.
I imagen that valve pushes gaming so hard that Linux is the first option for gaming, Windows loses market share so they have to go full Linux in order to continue there profit and market share. 🤷♂️
Microsoft is already half there. As you mentioned, most of its revenues are coming from the multiple services their now offer (SaaS).
Think of Office 365/OneDrive, the multiple CoPilot (AI hype), Azure, even the new Outlook is web-based now.
Indeed, Dotnet Core is completely portable and open-source, even SQL Server is installable on Linux.
When you think more than 50% of the servers are running Linux on Azure, it’s hard to deny the success of Linux on the server side.
Microsoft is already a service company. What is holding game companies to make games on Linux is the Linux market share. The Linux market share is still low right now, but slowly growing...
Linux is still too hard for the non-technical people to use; it’s better than it was, but not quite there yet.
Cheers o/
-- A fellow C# professional C# developer
Cyba.Cowboy 3 days ago
Quoting: MalIhmo security incidents on windows will keep repeating and sooner or later it will become obvious to the masses as well the dangers of running stuff inside the kernel.
Nothing will change.
Microsoft Windows operating systems have been the inferior choice when it comes to security for as long as Windows operating systems have been around, yet people still use them... Then also consider that for the last few "Windows" operating systems, Microsoft has been tracking pretty much everything its users see or do on "their" computers, throwing privacy completely out the window (no pun intended); and again, people continue to use Windows operating systems en mass.
Irrespective of what Microsoft do from here, their operating system will continue to be a poster boy for being insecure and anti-privacy, with tens of millions of sheep continuing to use it, regardless of these flaws.
Quoting: JosephLinux is still too hard for the non-technical people to use; it’s better than it was, but not quite there yet.
Ugh. I hate it when people parrot this claim.
Many modern Linux-based operating systems are just as easy to use as a typical Microsoft Windows operating system these days (certain distros could probably even claim they're easier to use!), and one can get by without ever touching Terminal or doing anything unusually "technical"... The option is still there of course, and many Linux users (myself included) prefer to use Terminal and things like that; but in 99% of cases, you can get by just fine without ever going down that path.
What needs to happen is that the Linux Community needs to shakes this "It's so technical most everyday users can't use it" reputation, because it's a reputation that's simply not true anymore.
Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 16 September 2024 at 8:19 am UTC
Quoting: Cyba.CowboyMany modern Linux-based operating systems are just as easy to use as a typical Microsoft Windows operating system these days (certain distros could probably even claim they're easier to use!)
Way easier. Linux is what you give your parents so that you don't need to do Windows tech support.
Quoting: CatKillerQuoting: Cyba.CowboyMany modern Linux-based operating systems are just as easy to use as a typical Microsoft Windows operating system these days (certain distros could probably even claim they're easier to use!)
Way easier. Linux is what you give your parents so that you don't need to do Windows tech support.
If Nvidia gave 1.5 shits and make a not-embarrassing driver, I would say the experience across the board would infact be piss easy, plug and play.
Last edited by Pyrate on 16 September 2024 at 10:16 am UTC
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