EA Anti-Cheat arrives for Battlefield 1 breaking it on Steam Deck / Linux

Quoting: Leahi84What I don't understand is why are these companies so hostile towards Linux?

This is such a common misconception. They are not hostile. Why should a corporation be hostile against anything really.

They are ignorant towards Linux, that's what they are. The Linux segment is so miniscule, and the cheating problem so massive, so the potential loss is nothing compared to not holding the cheaters at bay.

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Leahi84What I don't understand is why are these companies so hostile towards Linux?

This is such a common misconception. They are not hostile. Why should a corporation be hostile against anything really.

They are ignorant towards Linux, that's what they are. The Linux segment is so miniscule, and the cheating problem so massive, so the potential loss is nothing compared to not holding the cheaters at bay.

Because free anything goes against their capitalistic principals and is an affront to them?

Quoting: MohandevirRhetorical question: Did it, at least, solved their cheating issues?
I'd be curious to know what Valve thinks about the situation, regarding the Steam Deck...

The previous in house, non kernel level anti cheat EA / Dice used for the Battlefield series actually worked against cheaters, and worked on Linux. Battlefield 1 and V didn't have big cheating issues, as long as EA / Dice kept the anti cheat updated. Battlefield V, which I have the most experience with over 1, didn't start having terrible cheating issues until EA / Dice dropped support for it shortly after Battlefield 2042 release.

I really don't understand why EA and other companies are pushing for the kernel level anti cheat when the non kernel level actually did work well. Maybe its less work for them or maybe because kernel level is the current hot fad in the industry I don't know outside it really sucks massively for Linux and in terms of stopping cheating, non kernel level actually worked.

I wouldn't let them off the hook as being ignorant for the simple reason it hurts Linux so much that the rhetoric of them being hostile is 100% justified because kernel level anti cheat is hostile to Linux. So many games that would otherwise work don't because of that stupid anti cheat.

That said, I wonder if its possible to create whatever kernel emulation within the Linux kernel itself that allows these anti cheat drivers to interface with and work. I remember back in the day for wifi drivers there was this thing called "ndiswrapper" that allowed Windows XP wifi drivers to work on Linux. Maybe something similar can be done for anti cheat.


Last edited by drdindu2 on 23 October 2024 at 3:56 pm UTC

Early Access Anti-Cheat for Battlefield what? OOhhh, EA the company?

Don't care, I don't buy/play games from them

Quoting: Leahi84

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: Leahi84What I don't understand is why are these companies so hostile towards Linux?

This is such a common misconception. They are not hostile. Why should a corporation be hostile against anything really.

They are ignorant towards Linux, that's what they are. The Linux segment is so miniscule, and the cheating problem so massive, so the potential loss is nothing compared to not holding the cheaters at bay.

Because free anything goes against their capitalistic principals and is an affront to them?

Not really enough of a reason to pass up sales.

That said, corporations are sometimes what can only be described as hostile towards certain things. Maybe it got started by a CEO, maybe it's become part of the corporate culture because said thing is inherently dangerous to the corporation's profits, but the phenomenon definitely exists. In the old days, Microsoft was definitely hostile towards Linux--no ifs, ands or buts, hostility was very definitely happening and a sizable deal for them. "Linux is a cancer" and all that. Since then, on the desktop side they got less worried because their measures to contain Linux succeeded pretty well, and on the server side they gave in, realized Linux was unstoppable, and changed their business model so they could make money from Linux. So they're not exactly hostile towards Linux any more . . . mostly, probably.

But yeah, the anti-cheat thing is generally not about hostility to Linux, except maybe when it comes to Epic, because Sweeney does actively dislike Linux as far as I can tell, partly just because he's a dick and his instincts go against open source ideas, partly because Valve likes Linux so he's going to dislike it. But everyone else is just doing their thing and accidentally stepping on a mouse in the process.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 23 October 2024 at 4:42 pm UTC

Doesn't really affect me. I don't like multiplayer games, can't play first-person shooters and much of what EA makes these days doesn't appeal to me.

Quoting: Leahi84What I don't understand is why are these companies so hostile towards Linux? It seems completely illogical for late stage capitalist corporations to turn away potential earnings no matter how small when their investors demand endless growth.

its one of 3 things:

1)we are everything they seek to destroy, imagine if players get used to the openes of linux and start demanding more products to be that open? they wouldnt be able to milk their users for over priced skins, gambling pay to win, FOMO daily login rewards (because the games arent fun enough to make people want to play everyday without bribe), etc...

2)microsoft paid then to sabotage us, while then thenselves keep their hands clean, and above all suspicious because their own games support linux.

3)making an anti cheat solution that work in an open source operating system is really hard, even kernel level anticheats wouldnt do much since we can just customize the kernel anyway.