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Thank you both, i already felt stupid for the last three times i spun it up and felt the same way.

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Quoting: dpanterOverwatch Overwatch 2 Overwatch 3 Overwatch surely is one of the games of all time. 🍌

Are we sure it's a game and not just a skin shop with occasional shooting allowed? 😄

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Quoting: KimyrielleI have zero doubt that the people actually leaving Discord will be a rounding error, and the vast majority of users will continue using it. If people had a spine, our word wouldn't be the place it is.

It's easier said than done. If a gaming group of 10 people decides they want to leave, they're gonna have 20 opinions on where to go and so rather than arguing about it endlessly they figure it's better to just stay. There's sadly no alternative that screams "Discord refugees come here".

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Quoting: t3rr0rh4wkAnyone still willing to remain deserves any and all of the dystopian b.s. that Discord is pulling here. Please, please make the jump to something else. We have the power here. They barely support us on Linux anyway. We're clearly not very worth their time, so let's treat them in kind.

Tell that to my boss... We have to usesuffer Discord at work...

Quoting: PixelDropWhen all the Unreal devs and..etc stop using Discord as their main source of priority suppor

Funny that you mention Unreal, because it is luckily not using Discord, but rather this forum: https://epicprosupport.epicgames.com

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Gonna test it out with mesa-git later today on Tokyo Xtreme Racer, which is the only game I currently play that has ray tracing.

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Quoting: williamjcmI hope it'll get released as a Flatpak, because I don't like installing stuff through the AUR or pip.

Exactly. A flatpak or a snap or best both. It's BS for this day and age to not be able to install a damn app with a couple of clicks, honestly 😀

yay -S prefixer *is* a couple of clicks ;p

Huhh dat a termnial command so no its not jus clicks

My keyboard is clicking, too.
So, never saw it that way before, but yes, it's a bunch of clicks.

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Quoting: pbyay -S prefixer *is* a couple of clicks ;p

Huhh dat a termnial command so no its not jus clicks

Why, 'tis a mere nineteen clicks to enter it with a virtual keyboard! Not a single key-stroke necessary! 😉

(Unless, does yay require sudo? Then it'd be more… 🤔)

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Yup I had a similar frustrating experience. Essentially though it was a 9GB patch, it was quite disappointing. Still kudos to Hello Games for bringing out free updates for the last ... um decade now?

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Quoting: dpanterOverwatch Overwatch 2 Overwatch 3 Overwatch surely is one of the games of all time. 🍌

Wait, so Blizzard can't count to 3 either? 🤔

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I played a good chunk of it today, and take my advice...don't.

This is an expedition for people who thought driving the Mako was the best part of the Mass Effect series, but didn't think it was nearly frustrating enough. Remnant fixes that problem.

Essentially, imagine driving an open flatbed (this far-flung technological future doesn't include cargo nets, apparently) across a very rough landscape that's riddled with holes you can fit the entire thing into and climbs that are nearly vertical. Occasionally you are attacked by sentinals if you happen to run over the wrong rock. You are tasked with hauling physics objects that are apparently made of rubber from a depot to a disposal facility. Your truck, thanks to an increasingly powerful engine, is also harder to drive gently with. If your cargo jostles too much, it might explode.

Now do this FIVE TIMES. The exact same routine. Oh, and the margins are low, and you can soft-lock yourself if you lose too much cargo because of the exploding thing, and it's easy to lose stuff in the terrain if it bounces out of the truck.

It's bad, y'all. This is probably going to be the first expedition I've failed to complete. Although just driving around isn't too bad, so call that ending on a positive note.

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Quoting: williamjcmI hope it'll get released as a Flatpak, because I don't like installing stuff through the AUR or pip.

I much prefer terminal because I can see what's going on, flatpak only when no other options are available. But I already know I'm not mainstream, just glad there are the different options for everyone.

Flatpak *can* be used from the terminal, though. GUI frontends are completely optional.

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Quoting: GerarderloperAMD/Intel RT performance being quite far behind NVIDIA, and probably still behind.

At least when looking at very heavy RT based games like many running UE5, or CP77.
I think the only reason AMD/Intel look ok in these games atm is because NVIDIA has that COLOSSAL 40-50% performance hit in MANY DX12 RT games. (probably still 3mnths until we see fixes be fully integrated)

Yes, the $1000 more hardware is 1000$ worth better at raytracing, ofcourse.

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Hm, the guide doesn't have some of the newer custom Proton builds like proton-cachyos (and proton-cachyos-slr which is probably worth explaining because I also had to look up the difference), Proton EM that I think is focused on Wayland, and dwproton (dawn-winery) that's focused on non-Steam gacha games compatibility.

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I have zero doubt that the people actually leaving Discord will be a rounding error, and the vast majority of users will continue using it. If people had a spine, our word wouldn't be the place it is.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyThere should be a game about submarines and/or scuba diving combat, called Underwatch.

and the space version Outerwatch

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Quoting: iliyalesanitried wine, wine-staging-tkg, proton experimental, proton-ge, proton-tkg, reinstalled battle.net multiple times on different prefixes even cleared appdata and programdata but still nothing. gave VPN and tethering mobile network a shot as well. the result was always the same:
"Battle.net Update Agent went to sleep. Attempting to wake it up... BLZBNTBNA00000005".

This happened to me as well. Looks like the latest Battle.net launcher update broke something. This is how I fixed it in Lutris.

Close Lutris, then

 
# pkill -9 Battle.net
# pkill -9 Agent
# pkill -9 Blizzard

# rm -rf ~/Games/battlenet/drive_c/ProgramData/Battle.net/Agent
# rm -rf ~/Games/battlenet/drive_c/ProgramData/Blizzard\ Entertainment
Open Lutris, start Battle.net. You will have to login again, but it should be working now. Hope this helps.

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Don't play NMS for myself but I am always happy to hear that Hello Games did not give up the game after the catastrophic launch.
Damn I so hoped Bethesda did the same for Starfield.

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If VR finally just works as good as in Windows (which is a shame for my Valve Index) I can finally get rid of Windows completely.
This is my only use case for Windows. I mean in Linux I cannot even see my desktop because of wayland or I don't know.

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Finally I can play Indiana Jones without constant stuttering 🥰

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Quoting: poiuz

Quoting: F.UltraWhich would be true even if the cut was 1%, so no it is not about the 30% itself. And as I have tried to explain before, the DMA is about lock-in and not some arbitrary cut. Which should be self explanatory since the EU have not went after Valve for their 30% cut on Steam, the DMA case against Valve is only about restricted cross-border sales with zero mentionings of the cut.

I don't think it would be the same if the cut was just 1%. The same is true about Valve.

But yes, we're talking about Apple's cut in general, [30% tax](https://timetoplayfair.com/what-others-are-saying/) is just a representation because that's the default. It's still being investigated although they lowered it to (I think) 27% with external payment processing (as I already said). The cut is part of the DMA because it provides an unfair advantage.

So yes, you're right: Unlike Apple & Co., Valve is actually treated much better since it's only corporate dispute while Apple & Co. face official regulation.

Valve is not a [gatekeeper](https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers_en) (yet) so the DMA does not apply at all. Geo-blocking is a completely different case.

There is not a single mentioning about 30% nor about any value of a cut in the DMA, the DMA is entirely about not abusing your position as a gatekeeper, something that Apple violated by forcing in-app payments to be done by the Apple payment solution _and_ something that they violated by not allowing 3d party app stores to be installed on the iPhone and iPad.

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Overwatch might be trash but I have to give it up to Blizzard for being one of the few devs on earth to do anti-cheat right (server-side).

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tried wine, wine-staging-tkg, proton experimental, proton-ge, proton-tkg, reinstalled battle.net multiple times on different prefixes even cleared appdata and programdata but still nothing. gave VPN and tethering mobile network a shot as well. the result was always the same:
"Battle.net Update Agent went to sleep. Attempting to wake it up... BLZBNTBNA00000005".

same thing with lutris using different versions of wine runners. even tried starting up the agent before and after launching battle.net to no avail:
WINEFSYNC=1 WINEPREFIX="$HOME/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/2240255771/pfx/" "$HOME/.steam/steam/compatibilitytools.d/Proton-Tkg-2634/files/bin/wine" "$HOME/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/2240255771/pfx/drive_c/ProgramData/Battle.net/Agent/Agent.exe"

EDIT / FIX:
using bottles (AUR, not flatpak) with proton-ge 10-30 worked. bottles also applied this launch option:
WINEDLLOVERRIDES="locationapi=d" WINE_SIMULATE_WRITECOPY=1 %command%

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Thank you for your response.

Quoting: HamishI do not think that is entirely fair to be honest; as you yourself pointed out, the bigger issue was Loki's tendency to over invest and stretch their resources far further than their income stream could support. Them ordering way too many Collector's Edition tins was just a symptom of a wider problem.

Yes, Loki definitely spent too much money on many projects that were interesting for a small group of users.

I think it would be better if Macmillan Digital Publishing were also a publisher for Quake 3 for Linux in 1999. We probably get a set of rpms packages on the CD, which is weird and problematic on many Linux distributions. On the other hand, Loki could survive as a company if it didn't publish this game.

No one mentioned Quake: The Offering and Quake II: Colossus for Linux as financially problematic for Macmillan Digital Publishing. Of course, Macmillan didn't publish any other games for Linux after it. It was a good deal for Linux users to pay for a base game plus two mods in one box. It wasn’t possible to do something similar with Quake 3 for Linux in 1999.

Quake 3 is a great game and the best-looking product created by Loki, but sadly, users voted with their wallets, and this game lost. Nobody mentions their other games that caused so many financial troubles for Loki. The low sales of Quake 3 didn't help Loki survive, and also scared away many companies. I understand it's difficult to accept what happened with Quake 3 for Linux because it's a bizarre situation.

The availability of the Quake 3 engine gave us a chance for some great games. From a financial perspective, it doesn't change the fact that Quake 3 for Linux wasn't a success for Linux as a platform.

Quoting: HamishRegardless, by black sheep, I meant more Call to Power's standing in relation to the rest of the Civilization franchise more than its standing on Linux. Although based on the small sample here, it does seem to have a more positive reputation among at least a subset of Linux gamers than I have seen elsewhere. Quite effusive in fact.

Ok. I didn't think about comparing it with more modern games.

Quoting: HamishThere are separate patch installers for both version upgrades and language conversion listed:
[https://www.lokigames.twolife.be/products/civctp/updates.php](https://www.lokigames.twolife.be/products/civctp/updates.php)

I was able to change my Linux install from English to French and then to German. That may have been useful for me to experiment with before as there were several cheap German boxes of Call to Power for Linux listed on eBay, while the English version I did finally buy cost me quite a premium, while also still being shipped from Germany ironically enough. Too late now though.

Thank you for correcting me.

Interestingly, they allowed users to change the language in Civilization: Call to Power for Linux. I guess that my non-English games can stay in a shrink wrap for another year. The language support for German in many Linux games was quite good compared to other languages.

Robin Hood - The Legend of Sherwood for Linux also had a separate German and French release.

Can someone publish screenshots of the French version of Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood for Linux?

Quoting: HamishI did pick up a very cheap French copy of Call to Power for Windows just for the CD audio to prevent further wear on my expensive Linux disc; the eBay listing never mentioned that it was in French, but it was from a Quebec seller and you can see French text if you really squint at the picture of the jewel case, so caveat emptor I guess. By copying over the English data from my Linux install and modifying the civpaths.txt file was able to convert it over myself manually, although again, the CD audio was all I was really after. No idea why French versions of older games sell for as cheap as they do to be honest.

Do you learn French in schools in Canada?

In Poland, we usually learn English or sometimes German, and later both. English is the most popular foreign language here. French was a third language in some specific types of schools, and it was more popular in the past in some countries.
I agree it's easier to find many new games in German, French, Italian, etc. than in English because more people want to buy these English editions.

Quoting: HamishI have never really thought of it in those terms before, but I certainly can not think of any off the top of my head. You certainly listed all of the notable ones from that period.

I hope someone released more games for Linux back then.
Finding simple indie games from that period of time is a challenge.

It was horrible to play all these popular games and then get stuck on Linux without any upcoming games for over a year.

I thought that LinCycles from 1996 was a commercial title, but a comment from the author is odd, and I have some doubts:

https://happypenguin.altervista.org/sheet.php?gameid=57

Quoting: HamishOn a separate but related tangent, whether Call to Power was the first or second Linux game to be sold at retail is somewhat muddied by the fact that Macmillan Publishing announced their boxed Quake releases on May 13, 1999 (my fifth birthday) while Call to Power did not start shipping until May 15, 1999 despite being announced months earlier.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20081005014949/http://happypenguin.org/html/qlinux.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20081005014949/http://happypenguin.org/html/qlinux.html)
[https://web.archive.org/web/20011201235040/http://www.lokigames.com/news/archive.php3?051999](https://web.archive.org/web/20011201235040/http://www.lokigames.com/news/archive.php3?051999)

So you might need to get into an argument over store stocking, logistics, pre-orders, and the like.

I don't know it. I think MP Entertainment released Hopkins FBI for Linux in April 1999. I'm not sure if it was available in stores like Walmart in the U.S. Maybe some Americans remember it.

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AMD/Intel RT performance being quite far behind NVIDIA, and probably still behind.

At least when looking at very heavy RT based games like many running UE5, or CP77.
I think the only reason AMD/Intel look ok in these games atm is because NVIDIA has that COLOSSAL 40-50% performance hit in MANY DX12 RT games. (probably still 3mnths until we see fixes be fully integrated)

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I had to get used to the new UI for about 20 minutes, but it's a pretty solid new look. Still running perfectly on Arch for me, but I guess the MP4 export (hardware accelerated) of highlights still won't work.

However, I randomly noticed an extremely nice feature. Since I'm playing this game in HDR with Proton Wayland mode, the Steam overlay (that is still X11) does not work. Meaning, I couldn't take proper screenshots, because all the general desktop screenshot apps (like Spectacle) annoyingly don't support HDR in any way, causing an overtly bright, blown-out image. Steam gets it right by converting to SDR, but the (non-working) overlay is required ... or so I thought! Turns out, if you use the internal overwatch screenshot shortcut, the game directly triggers the screenshot feature via the Steam API, showing the familiar Steam notification even in Proton Wayland without the overlay! This image automatically gets the HDR to SDR tone mapping treatment of Steam and I get my uncompressed file in ~/Bilder/Steam like usual. Fantastic feature, maybe this helps some Linux users.

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I think when I used WiVRn with HLAlyx last time (3mths back or so) I had a issue where the controller would not respond to turning right/left correctly (would cut out) or something. Was real weird as ALVR didn't have said problem.

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Another way to look at this situation:
Discord is living up to their chosen brand name and perhaps their corporate culture.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Word: discord - noun
1 a: lack of agreement or harmony (as between persons, things, or ideas).
b: active quarreling or conflict resulting from discord among persons or factions.
2 a: music
(1): a combination of musical sounds that strikes the ear harshly.

I have had a personal Mumble server for almost ten years. At various times I am forced to use Discord when I play games with the younger members of my family. They dislike Mumble because of it's lack of video/screen casting/screen sharing. I can't convince them that to all you need for gaming and communication is the ability to talk and send text messages (URLs). Kid's these days! :)

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Quoting: SalvatosBehavioural analysis to estimate user age without looking at message content… I’m struggling to imagine how that would be effective.

Gonna require making some insane assumptions. I wonder what my "interesting" sleep schedule gets recorded as...

300yo vampire?

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Quoting: SalvatosBehavioural analysis to estimate user age without looking at message content… I’m struggling to imagine how that would be effective.

Gonna require making some insane assumptions. I wonder what my "interesting" sleep schedule gets recorded as...

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