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Quoting: princecI will probably have to accept that Mint really wants me to use Cinnamon instead, which I suppose is no great hardship.

What it says to me is that NVidia really want you to use AMD instead, but in this era of sky-high prices that's probably a significant hardship.

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Quoting: princecThe latest drivers from Nvidia completely ruined my XFCE experience unfortunately, entirely breaking the compositor, which had to be turned off.

You have to turn the inbuilt v_blank off inside of xfwm to fix the screen flickering, after installing the newish 590.48.01 driver.
Here is the fix, unless you already know then ignore.
xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/vblank_mode -s off
Then reboot your system. Switch on Pipeline Composition in NVIDIA-Settings and you won't have any more problems.

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Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: Kimyrielleyou wrongly assume

I find your assumptions about my assumptions presumptuous.

Don't give me that "AI code can be good too" nonsense, that's not what is happening here. Legitimate developers wouldn't need to vibecode slop, nor PR untested/unknown code willy-nilly.

'Banning a lot of solid code contributions because their authors included a vibecoded function or two' sounds absolutely reasonable in this catastrophic AI slop onslaught on Godot.

I haven't got the faintest idea how you would want to find out.

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Quoting: LinasBuilt-in asset flip generator.

Before Ai.

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Quoting: Loftyersonally i think Displayport should be included on all TV's aswell but i would imagine the HDMI group leans hard on Samsung, Sony against using an alternative connector ?

It's the TV manufacturers who are in charge of HDMI. They don't need leaning on.

ahh fair enough. So there all in a big group together got it.

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Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: Kimyrielleyou wrongly assume

I find your assumptions about my assumptions presumptuous.

Don't give me that "AI code can be good too" nonsense, that's not what is happening here. Legitimate developers wouldn't need to vibecode slop, nor PR untested/unknown code willy-nilly.

'Banning a lot of solid code contributions because their authors included a vibecoded function or two' sounds absolutely reasonable in this catastrophic AI slop onslaught on Godot.

Well, if that's the best you can do to defend your knee-jerk "solution" to the problem, I am glad you don't have any say in the matter, so cooler heads than yours can look for one. *shrug*

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Welcome to the Age of Slop.

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Nobody wants to use crap generated by AI. I just hope that marketplaces will filter out AI stuff, so normal people will be able to find normal products quicker. In the end, you still have to sell that crap to clients if you want to exist on the market - but why should anyone buy it from you if they can generate the same stuff themselves with much lower costs using the same AI? You can just write a prompt: "generate a title 100% the same as product X" ;) Robbing a thief isn't theft. After all, when creating their product, they relied entirely on other people's stolen work anyway.

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Quoting: Kimyrielleyou wrongly assume

I find your assumptions about my assumptions presumptuous.

Don't give me that "AI code can be good too" nonsense, that's not what is happening here. Legitimate developers wouldn't need to vibecode slop, nor PR untested/unknown code willy-nilly.

'Banning a lot of solid code contributions because their authors included a vibecoded function or two' sounds absolutely reasonable in this catastrophic AI slop onslaught on Godot.

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Odd thing to say. To me it's very obvious that a reasonably deep turn-based roguelike with some whimsy and personality, AND cats is more popular than the thematic downer that is The Binding of Isaac or the tough as nails meat grinder of a precision platformer.

I guess it's possible to spend years dedicating your life to something unaware of what it is that you're actually doing?

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if they can stop us from storing data locally, they can stop us from preserving content (eg: piracy) as well.
its much easier to take down an company like they did with the mega upload or force then to remove some content, and much easier to force then to comply to scam their machines for infringing content then take it down, then do that in billions of end users machines.

not to mention they are using ai to scan the internet for piracy websites, to take then down, and arresting some of the biggest distributors.

hell, laws like the UK that force people to identify thenselves before they go to any social media website have even convinced some piracy websites to take down some types of content to "obey the law" ... yeah piracy websites following the laws...

purchase as many hdd/ssd as you can, hell even blurays/dvds if they are cheaper , backup as much thing as possible, split efforts with friends to backup as many different things as possible, companies like netflix will love to see us not being able to download and store stuff anymore, not to mention services like geforce now with the rest of the components.

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I've found that on some servers I need to be running minecraft with zink to get acceptable performance. So Vulkan really is the future for Minecraft for me either way. Glad to see that it will become a main feature and not just a "workaround". Though it does kinda stink for anyone on any very old computer.

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: hardpenguinThis game has kinda fallen into obscurity since they moved to Epic 🤷

Lol, not correct at all.

For years, average monthly player counts were in the 30-40K range. In early 2020 that number climbed to the 40-50K range.

Then in late September 2020, Rocket League went free to play and player counts skyrocketed to 70K+ but only for one month. The influx of new players left and the game has slowly fallen to average player count of 15-20K per month.

So yes, that is correct. This is the lowest player counts have been since 2015.

Source: https://playercount.gg/rocket-league

Your confidence outmatches your knowledge.

Clearly takes data from only Steam.

https://steamdb.info/app/252950/charts/

Which game is not available there for nearly 5 years, not to obtain from there anymore. It is available in EGS and EGS doesnt have a way to get "current player count" data.

I never ever wait more than 10 secs in lobby despite i restricted my search regions to Europe only.

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Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: Bumadar

Quoting: fabertaweThe greed of those who already have more wealth than you or I could imagine is insatiable. And it's you and I that will suffer. It's both sad and maddening at the same time.

Here's to the big bang...

It feels this is the build-up to these huge cooperations you see in the sci-fi movies or games that have become so huge, control everything and no governments controls them anymore

Wasn't that the whole point of the dystopian futures depicted in the cyberpunk genre in novels? The huge megacorporations dominating society. I'm thinking of William Gibson (whom I've sadly never read), Philip K. Dick, Harlan Ellison, etc. And then there are all the films too. A lot of these authors had the imagination to foresee what seems to be coming about now.

Wikipedia sums it up nicely: to"Themes typical of a dystopian society include: complete control over the people in a society through the use of propaganda and police state tactics, heavy censorship of information or denial of free thought, worship of an unattainable goal, the complete loss of individuality, and heavy enforcement of conformity."

Yup, this just feels like the build up to it, the big corps are almost free to do as they please under the current US administration, and in case of crossing the line a donation here or there helps. Still think ai will go the way of hyperion as I posted here but those mega cooperations I think that will happen don't fit in there.....

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I find everything relating with AI so bloody aggravating.. I will definitely watch unity in a sceptical light or rather a further sceptical light concerning their dealings..

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That's a great move. The absolutely unsaturated video game market is ready to rewards peoples able to move fast and propose hundred of abysmal quality games.

Irony aside, it is funny to see the lesson of the great video game crash of 1983 being forgotten.

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Quoting: whizseHow matplotlib's attempt at moderating AI submissions went:
https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

Oh brave new world, that has such LLMs in it!

Thank you for sharing, that was a hell of a read.

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Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

Your "solution" is naive at best, because you wrongly assume that people would care about such a ban any more than they care about speed limits. And in contrast to what you're probably assuming, it's often not very obvious that code was AI generated, particularly if some telltale signs are removed (e.g. overly verbose comments that LLMs love so much).

Also, legitimate developers use AI tools too, so you'd technically ban a lot of solid code contributions because their authors included a vibecoded function or two. Not sure if that's the intended effect, but hey.

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Quoting: Cley_Faye

Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

I'm tempted to agree, but this is both impractical and would throw the small percentage of valid cases.

A better approach would to be require all PR to be hand-reviewed *before* submission, and vetted by a human. It's equally impractical, but if we look at the cURL project as an example, it is possible for competent devs to use LLM and similar as tools to raise appropriate issues, fixes, and formulate them properly. Key element is, a human used a tool vs. a tool used a human.

A small percentage of false positives is better than the several times of increased effort spent on reviewing.

Often the best rule is not so much "is it LLM-generated" but rather "does it look LLM-generated", because if you reviewed and cleaned-up your partially-LLM-generated submission well, it shouldn't at all be "obvious" that it was LLM-generated.

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If you generated the whole thing with AI, what made you think the maintainers couldn't have done this themselves?

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My optimist take is that the next few years will see such a glut of a million slop games with all their focus being on iap garbage, that people will just tire of it and stop paying attention. Then the drooling suits will release games that get like 4 installs and zero profits, and will just give up and go have their diaper changed.

Unity will slowly tank over time because it'll turn into a garbage slop gen and nothing more.

Also going along with this is that Godot gets a ton of attention and funding, figures out how to remove the code submission slop, and becomes an anti-ai powerhouse.

Of course, that's my optimist take. Will any of that happen? I don't know. What I do know is that the next 2 / 3 years are going to be ROUGH with all this ai shit. I hate it so much.

I really want a filter on steam itself, or any other stores, that have a "no ai used in this game" button because that'll make it a LOT easier to purchase stuff going forward.

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Eh, while I am a lot more open to AI than many here, I cannot see a "prompt to finished game" pipeline happening anytime soon. We're not there yet. At best it will be a glorified games construction kit with an AI label slapped on, because every modern hype product needs one.

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Guys, stick to meaningful and info rich messages on the GOL forum from now on; don't waste precious server storage space on worthless messages.

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I fucking hate AI!

I fucking hate AI!

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Quoting: hardpenguinThis is getting ridiculous

GETTING ridiculous?

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Let's just hope that all that comes with a lack of engine optimization and skyrocketing requirements, so that we can have the full taste spectrum of sh*t for every game made by " the many ".

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Quoting: Loftyersonally i think Displayport should be included on all TV's aswell but i would imagine the HDMI group leans hard on Samsung, Sony against using an alternative connector ?

It's the TV manufacturers who are in charge of HDMI. They don't need leaning on.

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Quoting: SalvatosI think it’s great. We will get exponentially more games to choose from, and fewer people will be able to play them due to computer parts becoming constantly more expensive in the middle of a shaky economy. Give it a few years and demand will have been driven to the ground while offer skyrockets. Hopefully that’s enough to kill the AAA segment 🤣

The problem is that in case of AAA the marketing campaign is what sells not the game itself, but maybe they will increase the quality if the sales drop. But from my experience they will rather invest more in marketing than doing better games :-D

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Quoting: Greo

Quoting: syylkThere are active DP1.4/USB-C -> HDMI 2.1 adapters that support the necessary features and transfer speeds, but I have no experience with them.

I recently tried this [BENFEI DisplayPort 1.4 zu HDMI 2.1 Adapter](https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0GC5S8Q6C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title) with my LG G2 TV on Fedora43/LinuxMint/Ubuntu26.04 and had no success with VRR (FreeSync). I thought that maybe the sound would be transmitted in 5.1, but I didn't spend much time messing around with it. I sent the adapter back four days later.

You need to firmware patch the adapters to get VRR and all the features working. And some adapters don't play as nice as others.

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Quoting: Cley_FayeA better approach would to be require all PR to be hand-reviewed *before* submission, and vetted by a human.

Sure.
Unfortunately not a feasible option in this dire situation.
Stemming the tide as soon as possible is imperative for Godots survival.

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