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This would be great if the Steam Deck system wasn't so terribly inconsistent. I frequently find games that are listed as 'Unsupported' but that run fine, and 'Verified' games with severe performance issues, such as Horizon Zero Dawn (the OG has tons of stuttering). And as for the Remaster, it's Verified despite having the exact same engine as Forbidden West (Unsupported due to 'bad performance') and performing identically.... yea I already gave up trying to make sense of this mess

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's more a case that most devs are unlikely to do Native Linux builds.

I don't even think there is a game engine that exports native Linux arm builds. Although they should be there for mac, so who knows what can happen in the future.

Many don't have Windows ARM export too in the UI, but that doesn't mean you can't do it. On Windows, many use scripts to make build anyway, so Windows ARM exports have been available for them for quite some time, even on x86_64 machine. On Linux, all you need is hardware with ARM64.

Godot has Linux ARM64 and even ARM32 in the UI and you don't even need ARM hardware.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's more a case that most devs are unlikely to do Native Linux builds.

I don't even think there is a game engine that exports native Linux arm builds. Although they should be there for mac, so who knows what can happen in the future.

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Quoting: pb

Quoting: _Mars

In 2007, PRS for Music took a Scottish car servicing company to court because the employees were allegedly "listening to the radio at work, allowing the music to be 'heard by colleagues and customers'".

From the Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRS_for_Music#Legal_cases

It happened in other countries, too. My hairdresser has a plaque informing that the music is only for employees and the customers ought to abstain from listening to it. That's where it's headed...

That is not where it's headed, that is the way it has been since the 80:ies when these licensing firms was allowed power by politicians to not allow music to be used at all for any means without a separate license in every step of the chain. This is the entire reason why so called Muzak is used in public spaces and why there is a whole industry of people making music "with low entertainment value" which is exempt from this licensing.

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Quoting: KandarihuAs much as I want Linux to grow as a platform, this gives us an unfair advantage.

You think this gives Linux an unfair advantage? I suppose the fair version of this is asking for it to be completely scrapped knowing that it would be unlikely for them to listen.

Plus we are already asking for that. o_o

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Quoting: GustyGhostValve: "Wins" case against Rothschild patent troll
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Rothschild global influence:](https://files.catbox.moe/ba3ari.mp4)

Totally a coincidence that after this case we have NYC, Washington, and the music copyright lawsuits, right? Certainly this isn't a case of "the process IS the punishment."

Most likely it is a coincidence yes, note that this patent troll is not a member of the famous Rothschild family, they just happen to have that surname.

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's not like we have many closed source Linux + ARM apps right now...

Not sure what you mean, there are tons of Raspberry Pi apps for Linux ARM64. Steam Frame probably too weak to run most flat 3D games standalone, but should not have problems with 2D games that can even run on Pi.

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This is needed - Fighting the politicians. Most Linux distributions should amend their license terms to deny right to use Linux in the state of California and other states where this Operating System Age Law gets implemented.

As soon as Californians are no longer able to legally run Linux, their own citizens will go after this law and end the moronic political overreach.

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I don't think I played this one myself back in the day

For me it was either brain bread, Vampire slayer or natural selection :)

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's more a case that most devs are unlikely to do Native Linux builds.

I get that, I am interested if there is at least an option, like with native Linux x86_64.

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During Gamergate, Brad Wardell was actively boosting harassment and taking part in it himself. The amount of ick I associate with that man and the company by extension has made me not buy anything published by them in what is now 12 years. The best thing I can say about ol' Brad is that at least he's not in the Epstein files (shoutout to Bobby Kotick).

Should published game developers suffer because of this? Probably not, no. Just makes it a very tough pill to swallow.

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Quoting: KandarihuI don't think that this is the right approach. As much as I want Linux to grow as a platform, this gives us an unfair advantage. The better choice will be to scrap/abolish such legislation entirely.

On the other hand, pointing out the flaws in the legislation in the process of requesting exclusions weakens the arguments for the rest of the bill to move forward as well — and should it fail to stop it completely, I’d rather free software be excluded from it than not.

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Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's not like we have many closed source Linux + ARM apps right now...

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I don't think that this is the right approach. As much as I want Linux to grow as a platform, this gives us an unfair advantage. The better choice will be to scrap/abolish such legislation entirely.

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Quoting: tarmo888Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

It's more a case that most devs are unlikely to do Native Linux builds.

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Confused. Only 2 paths for standalone Frame apps? Does that mean there will be no native Linux ARM apps? Through Lepton is as native as we get?

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I'm usually not much for 2d side scrollers, but that video actually looked pretty interesting. Wishlisted!

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Just want to do what I always do when it's about Dome Keeper: RECOMMEND IT! Seriously it's so good. If you haven't given it a try yet, go for it! A fav game of mine.

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This is great of Carl. Someone needs to stand up against these moronic politicians. He's in a good place to do so!

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Right, we just need an official Valve Proton with NTSync now also.

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Awesome, I love this game and it'd be fun to play with my kids

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Still waiting for that sweet Wayland and 64 Bit update. Not being able to use the Steam overlay with Proton Wayland just sucks.

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Quoting: GustyGhostValve: "Wins" case against Rothschild patent troll
[
Rothschild global influence:](https://files.catbox.moe/ba3ari.mp4)

Totally a coincidence that after this case we have NYC, Washington, and the music copyright lawsuits, right? Certainly this isn't a case of "the process IS the punishment."

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It wouldn't be Gamescope FSR, as that's stuck at FSR1. More likely they mean in-game FSR.

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I always interpreted "4K at 60 fps with FSR" being that you'll use Gamescope's FSR upscale for 4K with games that you can't run at that resolution natively, so verified requiring 1080p minimum makes sense as that probably upscales fine, but 30FPS maybe implies they're gonna rely on framegen? I'm really not a fan of that.

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On one hand it's silly to expect Steam to pay royalties for copyrighted material in products that are sold through their store. Especially considering the fact that publishers remove games when the licenses expire (e.g. Project Cars 2).

On the other hand, it would be neat if Steam paying the royalties meant that products containing copyrighted material could be sold through Steam as long as the royalties are paid; DDR/Audiosurf/GH clones could ship with a ton of songs, for example. Anyone could make a Harry Potter/Song of Ice and Fire/Lord of the Rings game.

Of course PRS will try to have their cake AND eat it, but that probably won't happen.

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Let's not forget literally every note of music ever produced by humans has been gobbled up by the "AI" parasites for FREE. Well if it's ok for them then logically "anything goes".

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This could potentially be an entry point for the equivalent of Nvidia's RTX Remix. Depending on the flexibility of these profiles, if this enables a normal user -without recompiling- to introduce their own shaders, enable/disable available fixes, it could be used to do more than just improve the performance/stability of a particular game.

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Quoting: VreidicusPlaystation never released anything on steam i wanted to play so fine by me, bye bye Playstation..

I can't name you too many of their games I bought either, but I liked Horizon Zero Dawn / Forbidden West.

I love the Horizon series and I have around 325 hours combined across ZD, ZD Remaster, and FW. However, I will definitely not buy a Playstation, even if that means I will not be able to play Horizon 3. I buy only hardware where I can decide what to do with it, what OS to put on it, and where I can freely mod games. This walled garden approach that Sony is now taking will hurt them long term.

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Since I in this phase have rather low (work) capability, I will refrain from engaging to the degree I would wish with the core of the discussion, but accounting for that, I still want to add a bit of value I deem especially high:

First, I, too, want to praise everyone for such a civil, respectful and good-faith discussion of such a loaded and touchy topic 🥰! Especially considering this is the notorious internet! And to their credit, there are different perspectives what level of emotional expression is desirable in argumentation. Some believe that hiding one's feelings behind a over-intellectualized, seemingly-unbiased, impartial form of speech is quite dishonest and thus disrespectful.

Having learned a small bit about cooperative argumentation/discussion, I want to share some advice for having more informative and rewarding discussions:

• Defining terms. It sometimes gets called semantics and often gets skipped because it feels tedious and unrewarding. But a cooperative debate without it spends *a lot* of steam on half-nothing - leading to the realization that parties were misunderstanding each others point and a course-correction.


• Sharing your relevant context/background. Similarly to the previous point, our perspective on someone's arguments shifts noticeably when we realize where the argumentation partner is coming from. Way easier to front load it, rather than recalibrate the last X mins of input/understanding. E.g. knowing the context, you may want to tread more kindly and carefully in some subtopics due to their related difficult personal experience, or you may want to grant the other party more authority in some subtopics due to some of their past experiences, etc. It helps both parties guess at their own and each other's outlier biases as well. Now, this is a one comes with the caveat that - as with all vulnerability - it should be exercised to a mindful degree. Usually it should not be used with emotionally unsafe people (using it against you; spreading your intimate information) or in a permanently-public environment (like a public forum) where again it might be used by malicious agents. Train and trust your intuition.

Specific to this discussion, I agree with many things tuubi and eggrole said, but I was reluctant to "upvote" simply for my respect and partial agreements. Whereas my position aligned with Purple Library Guy's views much more completely. 2 small point I beg to differ in:

• I think the origin of a system (Enclosures for capitalism) doesn't bear much weight on judging the pros & cons of a system (which I felt we were discussing). Then again, it is not a universal that for me my moral beliefs permit temporary more-harm for longer lasting less-harm (which I rather don't believe capitalism to be). Devil is in the details.


• As for what pendulum swings the instability leads to: I broadly agree. I have taken to focusing less on the means (economic system) and more on the end goal (higher degrees of democracy(system for making collective decisions)) labeling things less as left=good right=bad (also because it adds to polarization, which is not the way to a better world imo). It is very debatable though whether a northern star or immediate next step is preferable as a public political focal point, seeing as getting an additional "and capitalism is very anti-democratic" into the public consciousness seems an uphill battle at best

Also I want to comment a bit on the topic of political agency, since I've notably thought and debated on it (if anyone is interested I can share a diagram, I've used to visually explain my stances with caveats noted):

• I agree that our tiny part in influencing governmental (or better yet international 🤩) policy is much more impactful than any individual action (e.g. incl. conscious consumerism aka voting with your wallet). I've come to believe that conscious consumerism and other lifestyle-choice-activism are mostly a means of distraction and polarization of the public (e.g. see BP's "carbon footprint" campaign). If only everyone were educated in the same ways as us, it might work to change the system. But we must take consensus and compromise-building as part of change-making not an immovable barrier to it. Yes, individual action has a non-zero effect - but every action also has an opportunity cost! I.e. same effort/time/money could be better spent on other methods.


• Exercising our right to democratic voting is a better entry-level means.


• Another highly approachable option would be having healthy arguments/discussions with various other people about the topics you care about, especially with people whom you disagree with (within your window of (discomfort) tolerance, ofc).


• And my third conclusion for methods of enacting political change has been, participating in collective action within the means of your privileges. Some people have been handed relevant skills and resources to even organize and carry banners whilst most should take pride in being a smaller cog in that social machine. Attending a protest about a movement/stance you care about is a very praiseworthy achievement!

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