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Quoting: EWGIt needs to be owned by a not-for-profit or non-profit collective or co-operative.
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Stop relying on closed source software.
Stop relying on centralized platforms.
Stop relying on big corporations for anything.

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't happening with a major streaming service such as Twitch anytime soon. Twitch already has one of the largest companies in the world subsidizing it. Amazon allows it to use AWS at a massively discounted rate and provides additional direct funding, and Twitch still can't turn a consistent profit. Even if they did take 60% of subscription revenue (which is an incorrect figure, the base split is 50/50), I doubt that needle would move much.

I understand we are on a Linux gaming forum and most everyone here is already somewhat an advocate for open solutions. An additional subset of this community, including your take, is those who take that a step further and claim everything needs to be an open solution.

Say Twitch implodes tomorrow and we have some sort of not-for-profit organization/platform that is palatable enough for the largest streamers in the game to switch to. First, you need to convince them not to go to YouTube, Kick, Facebook Gaming, or another platform where their fans are already present. You then need to make the transition seamless: they should have as painless of an experience as possible moving everything they've already set up on Twitch in order to dissuade them from seeking other solutions.

And finally, you actually need to support the streaming itself: large streamers consistently hit 10k+ concurrent viewers... assume a 6000kbps 1080p stream to each person, you'd need 60gbps egress minimum to support just that one stream, assuming we don't create some magical P2P minimum latency protocol in the meantime that every single user and their ISP is OK with. Then sum that all the way down to even the smallest streamers, sending data to/from the server and just a few people. Where are you going to find this kind of performance, readily available, and at a reasonable rate? Unless you have a massive datacenter budget, the cloud is the first solution that comes to mind. That solution violates all three of your final closing points.

I'm not going to even mention payment processing, legal representation, contracts, sponsorships, advertising... it's all too much. Yes, we do have massive, open projects working at scale. Wikipedia, Internet Archive to name a couple. Streaming infrastructure is categorically different from hosting static content.

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Quoting: PoliticsOfStarvingIs it even an accurate way to measure Linux gaming? For the last two years or so, I don't even bother installing steam, I just go straight to heroic.

There is no accurate measure.
The Steam survey is one of the most accurate.
Steam dominates pc gaming enough to be considered a monopolist by the courts and for it to hold coercive power over Apple.
The survey provides enough extra information to see interesting trends including misleading ones(say variations in simplified Chinese. It's clear that if one considers Steam's global market Linux would probably not cross the 3% line, but that the Great Firewall of China distorts the picture).
Interesting here is that there isn't a clear variation visible for any of India's official languages.
[With a 16% adoption rate](https://commandlinux.com/statistics/linux-adoption-rate-by-country/), >1.4billion residents and a government with a track record of fast and hard decisions one would expect an easily spotted trend.
Nothing of the kind.

How well are these Indian languages supported on Linux? There might be other explanations for it as mentioned before, but with Linux(English only) being at 11% one could argue that that is significant.

India has a wide diversity in languages with no real dominant language. Hindi, which is the official language, is the mother tongue of only around 180 millions, which is less than 15% of the total population of India. Hindi is also spoken by another 300 millions as a second language, so that's a total of around 480 millions, which is still less than half of the population. I'm not Indian myself, so can't tell, but I would imagine with 16% adoption rate at least Hindi should be very well supported on Linux.

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Interesting. I haven't played No Man's Sky, but wasn't it the case that it was procedurally generating creatures throughout the galaxy? I wonder if these battleable ones are procedurally generated as well, or how that works.

I'm old enough that I was pretty much Pokémon Red and Blue's target demographic when they released, and I loved the idea of being a sort of fantasy biologist, going through the world and discovering various species (not that the battling wasn't fun too, of course!). I've always wanted a sort of Pokémon-like game where each time you start a new run it randomly generates new creatures for you to find, so every experience can recover that sort of first-time wonder when everything is new and you're just learning how things work.

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Oh, that guy aggro'd a thrumbo 4 seconds into the trailer (while inside what's clearly an Ancient Danger from RimWorld). That's not gonna end well. 😆

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

Sometimes you can unlock achievements without knowing, a friend told me a weird thing I bothered doing was an achievement in Outer Wilds but I have no idea because I don't own the game on Steam. If I had an achievement while playing I would be delighted, kind of a seal of approval I did not waste my time doing something stupid. I'm saying "I did not waste my time" because I purchased the game in August or September and still couldn't beat it lol.

If you finished Outer Wilds:

Spoiler, click me

I landed on the Sun Station without knowing what it is, that is an achievement on Steam. I also jetpacked my way to black hole station with some parkour but that isn't an achievement I guess

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: PoliticsOfStarvingIs it even an accurate way to measure Linux gaming? For the last two years or so, I don't even bother installing steam, I just go straight to heroic.

There is no accurate measure.
The Steam survey is one of the most accurate.
Steam dominates pc gaming enough to be considered a monopolist by the courts and for it to hold coercive power over Apple.
The survey provides enough extra information to see interesting trends including misleading ones(say variations in simplified Chinese. It's clear that if one considers Steam's global market Linux would probably not cross the 3% line, but that the Great Firewall of China distorts the picture).
Interesting here is that there isn't a clear variation visible for any of India's official languages.
[With a 16% adoption rate](https://commandlinux.com/statistics/linux-adoption-rate-by-country/), >1.4billion residents and a government with a track record of fast and hard decisions one would expect an easily spotted trend.
Nothing of the kind.

How well are these Indian languages supported on Linux? There might be other explanations for it as mentioned before, but with Linux(English only) being at 11% one could argue that that is significant.

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Quoting: bisbyxFor some people achievements are like stamps. And stamp collecting is one of the most popular hobbies in the world.

True. My father was very passionate about stamp collecting. Didn't interest me in the slightest. Neither did coin collecting, really. Achievements don't mean much to me either -- I can take 'em or leave 'em. But I get how they could have appeal to others.

Does this tool work offline?

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Cool thing, but nothing for me. I want to play the game, not the achievements and I cannot deny that it triggers me when 95% of achievements are collected (through normal gameplay), I look at it and it tells "get your last two achievements by finding 100 randomly placed items in the world. Heck, such an unfunny time waste and I would probably do it just to finish a collection I do not really care about, lol.

But since it is entirely optional, I is fine.

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Quoting: MarlockWait, what? Base degradation happens when a player is NOT playing, not DURING gameplay?!

LOL, added this game to the "nope" list.

Does it let you ask your facebook friends for extra energy bars too?

It doesn't matter if you are playing or you are not playing, that's not the mechanic. The mechanic in PvE (Hagga Basin) is that if you abandon your base and doesn't refuel the generators, it loses shields and therefore is vulnerable to the sandstorms. The mechanic in PvP (Deep Desert) is similar, but sandstorms are stronger, so your base gets little damage even with shields on, but not enough to take them down during 1 week, after which there is major coriolis storm, which wipes the Deep Desert anyways.

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There is nothing in the entire universe that I care less about than "achievements" for steam, PS or whatever system.

But good for those who do.

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Quoting: PhlebiacDunno what jackasses buy that nonsense, but at least you'll be able to map them to something useful.

It's not as though consumers have a choice; MS makes an agreement with Dell or whoever, and all new desktop pc keyboards come with those keys. The first IBM PC came with a 102 key keyboard; then post windows 95, MS just made it so that that standard became 104 keys, with the addition of the 'start' and 'menu' keys.

It's not at all bad for unix *and* emacs nerds, of course; because at least we get to approach (?!) the number of keys were on the non-IBM machines that those environments started in, such as OG Sun workstations, the Symbolics machines, etc.

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

They can aid in replayability by encouraging you to play the game in ways you otherwise wouldn't, and its just fun to collect little mementos of some of your favorite games to reminisce about in the future. I still don't get why some people have to be negative towards a feature that harms nobody and enhances the experience for some.

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

Define your version of "having fun". It bet it doesn't align with mine.

For some people achievements are like stamps. And stamp collecting is one of the most popular hobbies in the world. It may not appeal to you, but achievements are a way of documenting progress in a game and some people like collecting souvenirs from their virtual journeys.

Some people in games want more story, less shooting. some people want more shooting, don't need any story. Everyone is different.

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I really like this game, I hope Nintendo won't try to sue them.

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No option for those that didn't get the chance to get Shadow of the Templars box edition :(

So I might just wait until it lands on Steam.

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It's nice that No Man's Sky 2026 has finally caught up with World of Warcraft 2012.

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

Why can't you have both?

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

When you play a game for long enough and look for something to do, achievements can be considered as side quests. Achievements for different endings or story choices can motivate you to play a game differently. There are bad achievements, like "kill 50000 wolves", but overall it can be a good tool for powering up replayability.

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Wait, what? Base degradation happens when a player is NOT playing, not DURING gameplay?!

LOL, added this game to the "nope" list.

Does it let you ask your facebook friends for extra energy bars too?

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I was able to play 2 coop multiplayer matches yesterday, one joining to a host, and the other being the host myself (I had to look for players who wanted to play on the Discord channel, but they were eager to do it without any drama, all very pragmatic). It was very fun, though I noticed how far behind I ended up by never trying other classes.
What surprised me was how well the multiplayer worked, no lag at all in any session, the first we were 4 players, and the second 2. Very clean netcode it seems, also Godot rules.

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Has anyone managed to run the Steam versions on Steam Deck/Linux with Classic Rebirth? So far I could launch RE3 (with some graphical issues which weren't presented in the old CD version) and DC2.

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C'mon, give it(*) to me baby!

(*) Steam Frame

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I played two games on Luna (free with amazon prime). Indiana Jones and the Great Circle and Hogwarts Legacy. It was ... functional. I could play the games and didn't really have major technical problems. What I did have was pretty major input lag. Nothing you'd notice while running around in the game, but grab your mouse for some menu-ing and you notice instantly. It also made it hard to use guns in Indiana Jones. Graphically it kind of looks mediocre. Having a 1080p render on my 1440p ultrawide that went through video compression is just not something to write home about.

I have now cancelled my prime subscription. Only one more subscription left to cancel!

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Quoting: Axel Ekholm Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

it's the gamers's mindset, they always want to achieve something 😄

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Cool i guess but i still don't get why you should care about achievements. I care about having fun playing a game, not having achievement.

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Quoting: CaldathrasSadly, Bazzite is not for me. They have very poor Nvidia legacy hardware support. CachyOS, on the other hand ...

How legacy are we talking? Nouveau is getting quite nice these days :)

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the game is technically over 20 years old

Steam says release date was Nov 22, 2011; maybe it was available outside of Steam earlier?

One of my extensions (Augmented Steam?) says it was last updated Oct 29, 2012 - so clearly the new update still hasn't been applied to the release branch yet.

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Quoting: Dana SoulyWhat are keyboard AI keys? Is this one button where AI takes over the PC? 🤣

New laptops have copilot key if they have copilot certification thing, I also see galaxy ai button on new samsung keyboards for tablets

Apparently it has expanded beyond that:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.0-New-AI-Agent-Keys

Dunno what jackasses buy that nonsense, but at least you'll be able to map them to something useful.

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Quoting: Eocene84It will be interesting to see if they try to sell Twitch when that happens...

It needs to be owned by a not-for-profit or non-profit collective or co-operative.

All the "guilds" need to get better organized and take themselves more seriously. They need to double down on branding, set up homepages and better structures and by-laws.

They also need to set up microblogs like GNUsocial, host their own IRC and bridge to twitch's (if possible -- I think it is?), and their own PeerTubes. Among others.

Start emphesizing people donate directly to the hosts and their respective Guilds then use that money to support themselves and one another equally.

Right now, amazon gets 60% of subscription money. Frankly, with all the money that company has, they would be fine for a long time making far less. I would be livid and disgusted if I streamed on such a platform.

People need to think bigger and learn their lessons already.
Stop relying on closed source software.
Stop relying on centralized platforms.
Stop relying on big corporations for anything.
Get together. Get organized. Reclaim soverignty.

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That new kernel is definitely awesome!
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