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Quoting: juliandelphiki

Quoting: scaineGonna nitpick here, but

Speaking on X/Twitter

...actually puts me off caring about this game. I know it's shallow, but there it is. I don't care if you're "reaching your audience" - first of all, you're not reaching me, and second of all, you're helping fund and justify the child porn platform.

I wonder what it'll take for genuine brands to realise that association with Musk's toxic hellscape rubs off on them. At least for me.

You are definitely more than welcome to your position, but I'm genuinely curious why would you black list a developer for trying to pitch their game? You can follow them on multiple social media platforms, including bluesky and 7 or so others, if that's your thing, and there are hundreds of millions of people to market to on these other platforms.

Not quite a black list, but I think less of them. Twitter's response to users creating child porn imagery in grok wasn't to fix the tech, or ban the users. No, they put the capability behind a paywall, so grok will still generate these images, but now you have to pay for it. Which actually sounds worse when you say it out loud.

Quoting: juliandelphikiPersonally, I don't do the social media thing as I believe it is the worst thing to happen to humanity across our entire history, but I don't begrudge anyone for trying to reach potential customers.

Sorry to say, but the fact you don't do social media is pretty obvious. Hypixel made this announcement on Twitter, but didn't do so on their Bluesky account, or even Insta. Hell, they didn't even post this on their own forums! That's just numbers of course - they don't even have a thousand followers on Bluesky, compared to half a million on Twitter. But if they closed Twitter, people would follow them to wherever they're active. They don't want to take that risk, clearly. And so, I judge them for that decision.

Quoting: juliandelphikiOn the other note, trying to hold a company's feet to the fire because of a horrific AI error.

It wasn't an error. It's a conscious decision by Musk to allow his AI to generate child porn.

Quoting: juliandelphikiI like to hear as much from those who disagree with me as I can and talk to people in person about it, because otherwise the echo chamber just forces you into compliance/group think with no innovation or real improvements to your ideology.

I disagree. You don't argue with fascists. Again, it's clear you don't do social media, since any engagement with fascists will result in abuse and dogpiling.

You also don't debate paedophiles. Why would you? Lock them up.

So when I say that a brand is tarnished for being on the child porn platform, I can't be any clearer. I think less of them for being there. They enable and justify the absolutely worst people on the planet... for outreach.

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Quoting: sarmadThe snap file format and client side tools are completely open source. What's proprietary is the backend, i.e snapcraft.io, which is fine.

Doesn't that kinda mean that snap being open source is pointless to a large extent? It's like an open source client for a proprietary messaging service

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Don't change the name. Goverlay is recognizable.

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Quoting: benjamimgoisThanks for the post Liam ! GamingonLinux recognition makes a lot of difference.

Goverlay started as a GUI for overlay (mangohud), but the scope got broader. I'm thinking about rebrand the project. Maybe some community feedback / suggestions would be cool.

Rebranding could throw people off for a time, though here are some crappy names I came up with:
FrameUtils
PerforSuite
GUISuite
GaminGUI (yes i know)
GamersNexus (LOL, cause it's a collection of tools, :P)
UtiGUI (utility gui)
SynerGUI

Familiar but probably also terrible ??:
GUItils
GoUtils
Go-Overlay

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Quoting: scaineGonna nitpick here, but

Speaking on X/Twitter

...actually puts me off caring about this game. I know it's shallow, but there it is. I don't care if you're "reaching your audience" - first of all, you're not reaching me, and second of all, you're helping fund and justify the child porn platform.

I wonder what it'll take for genuine brands to realise that association with Musk's toxic hellscape rubs off on them. At least for me.

You are definitely more than welcome to your position, but I'm genuinely curious why would you black list a developer for trying to pitch their game? You can follow them on multiple social media platforms, including bluesky and 7 or so others, if that's your thing, and there are hundreds of millions of people to market to on these other platforms. Personally, I don't do the social media thing as I believe it is the worst thing to happen to humanity across our entire history, but I don't begrudge anyone for trying to reach potential customers.

On the other note, trying to hold a company's feet to the fire because of a horrific AI error means doing the same across the board. xAI isn't the first and you can rest assured they won't be the last either. OpenAI, Meta, Google and character.ai, etc. have all had issues with this as the AI market is moving faster than the pace of regulation and no one wants to slow down for fear of losing market advantage and influence. I'm not saying it's okay in any way shape or form, but you can't speak as through xAI is the only one to have this issue. Fair is fair. There are good people on all of these social media platforms and bad people on all of these platforms. I like to hear as much from those who disagree with me as I can and talk to people in person about it, because otherwise the echo chamber just forces you into compliance/group think with no innovation or real improvements to your ideology.

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Quoting: phil995511Snaps = non-free (proprietary) file format belonging to Canonical

=> No thanks, I don't want it on my operating systems

This is not correct. The snap file format and client side tools are completely open source. What's proprietary is the backend, i.e snapcraft.io, which is fine. The problem with snaps, other than re-inventing the wheel, is that it does not allow the end user to add new repos (other than snapcraft.io) like you can do with deb or flatpak.

Quoting: phil995511I don't like using AppImage either, it's too cumbersome to use for launching applications and there's no built-in application update system.

This is not true either. AppImage is a modular tool, which actually is more Linuxy than the monoliths that are snaps and flatpaks. In other words, the features you get from flatpak can also be achieved with AppImage, only that you have to install multple packages. There is an appimage launcher that makes installing and removing appimages as easy as flatpak, and there is a separate tool that provides auto updates, and there is also a hub for appimages similar to flathub. There are also separate tools for providing sandboxing. Out of the three formats, AppImage provides the most flexibility: you can download an appimage directly, or use a hub. You can use it sandboxed, or not. You can have appimages auto update themselves. You can use it for cli or gui, etc. If distros adopted AppImages and have it all configured out of the box it would've been as easy to use as flatpaks, but with extra flexibility, which actually is the essence of Linux.

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I left TwitX years ago, but I never managed to truly "switch to Mastodon" because I didn't end up engaging with the platform. I wish I could endorse it, but I just fell out of social media instead. I don't really condemn companies for having a TwitX presence, but I consider it a positive sign if they have a bsky or especially Mastodon.

I checked Hytale's website. They do have a Bluesky.

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Quoting: johndoe1. In Germany we still have to pay "Solidaritätszuschlag" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarit%C3%A4tszuschlag).
This money could be given to EU Sovereign Tech Fund (EU-STF) instead.

2. Forbid (proprietary) file formats like doc, docx, ppt, pptx, xls, xlsx, rtf, tnef, ... in the EU (public and private sector). We already have ODF.
Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support ODF as first-class citizen.
Every mail server (public and private sector) should be configured to deny mails with these file attachments.

3. Force M$ to release a free converter for all their proprietary file formats into ODF. The results must be 101%😁

4. Forbid proprietary protocols and APIs.

5. Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support free SQL-Backend alternatives like MariaDB and PostgreSQL and treat them as first-class citizen.

This would be a good start... man can dream.

Edit!
Ohhh boy, I forgot the most important...
6. Forbid DirectX and Mantle.

The EU once [strongarmed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization_of_Office_Open_XML) Microsoft in opening up the docx format for MS office 2007 Microsoft spend the following decade trying to put that genie back into the bottle.
This was only meagerly successfull.
As such Libre office has nowadays somewhat acceptable docx support.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: LoudTechieOn the nitpicky side, the call for evidence is for how to steer european open source toward their objectives, not the importance.

Well, it's both. It's clearly important because they're looking to base their future on it, and they want to steer people to them.

Ah, Interperted your sentence wrong. I thought you said they were still trying to figure out how important it is.

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Quoting: Pikolo

Quoting: LoudTechieMy proposals were.
Publish cryptographic hashes of restricted material, so small player can collaborate to implement filters for illegal information like CSAM and copyright protected material allowing them to more cheaply preform moderation responsibilities.

[Perceptual hashing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_hashing), used for copyrighted content and CSAM detection is very different from cryptographic hashing. The goal is to catch images and videos that are "sufficiently similar". It's as vague as it sounds, and unless configured with a very low sensitivity is guaranteed to cause false positives. When configured with low sensitivity, it's possible to bypass. When you take into account the quantity of CSAM perceptual hashes out there, false positives happen regularly. So you can either block everything, or block random things. Far from a solved problem

Using perceptual hashing for copyright enforcement is even worse, because the algorithm has no way to account for [exceptions to copyright](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright). That should always be a human's judgement call, but with copyright trolls in the picture you get a lot of pressure towards false positives.

I know this.
I asked for cryptographic hashes, because it's better than nothing and can be used as a start to build a functioning system.
Cryptographic hashes can be freely published, since they're cryptographic hashes meaning that they're sufficiently resistant to collision, decompression and other attacks.
Many parties can't get access to the perceptual hashes normally used to enforce laws, yet still want to host lawabiding servers.
A list of cryptographic hashes could be used for the following:
- public accountability of what's being removed by government mandate(throw your sensitive publications in a hashing algorithm and find out if you're being censored)
- A self hosted file server/forum/other user content providing service, which can build perceptual hashes from the lazily posted illegal content it catches on its own server(only one criminal has to be too lazy to edit a file and all instances already on the server can be caught, repeat offenders can be used as data mines for more cryptographic and perceptual hashes, trust of law enforcement can be won by reporting).
These servers would never publish the perceptual hashes they generate, just provide back cryptographic hashes to the project that enables them to automate large part of their moderation, which can use this to enable more to catch and share.

Edit:
Also cryptographic hashes are accurate, which means they won't be dealing with too much false positives and can carefully expand their coverage avoiding many of the mistakes big tech made along the way.

Beside that European copyright exception are only slightly comparable to US copyright exceptions.
They might have the opportunity to fine tune on the way.

Law based moderation software packages tend to be expensive riddled with NDA's, big tech dependencies and absolutely critical for anyone trying to solve the EU's hosting power problem.
This could be a start to a more open, accountable and sovereign European internet.

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Quoting: Jarmer

Quoting: tfkOpen source mobile phones,
Open source desktops,
From there,
EU based payment systems for easy EU based online transactions,
EU based and open source security layers for said payment providers.
Educational programs to show people how to be the owner of their own system again, and how to do critical thinking again.
Ban on American cloud services like Google, Microsoft, Amazon. I mean firewall block. Boom!

Edit: gave my feedback.

This all sounds amazing as an American. Especially the payment thing. Here we are so screwed with horrible options for sending money around in friend / family groups. Most people in my social circle still use venmo for everything which is just paypal, a horrifying company.

Microsoft is so screwed in the corporate sector. I don't think they care though, right now Satya's brain has turned completely to mush with ai garbage so he can't even think properly. The entire corporate world over the next decade is going to dump office (or copilot 365 app LOLOL) and windows, so that's a TON of revenue lost. Again I don't think microsoft cares, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with windows.

This is actually making great strides.
They're fusing the national payment providers many countries have naming it Wero.

They're also trying to work with India to [bypass swift.](https://www.cnbctv18.com/personal-finance/what-the-upi-tips-link-means-for-india-europe-digital-payments-19770000.htm)

Edit:
I give them >90% chance for achieving Wero
Just 60% for a successful Swift competitor.
China couldn't do it, Russia couldn't do it.
The EU does have a pretty serious market, their current system works EU wide and if this deal succeeds they might gain the backing of another serious market.
Also Trump is destroying the US market.
Yet, Swift's market dominance is legendary enough to move the worst dictators to tears and to make the CCP tremble.

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Quoting: ChrisznixOkay, you got me, i have to have this. Did you play it on the deck yourself? I'll take a look if i get the soundtrack with it, too, it seems to be really good.

I played it entirely on the Deck. Very cool UI for controllers. The game itself is an absolute blast, and the OST is opium for my ears.

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I haven't checked it in months, but the only reason that I've kept my Twitter account is cause parts of the world haven't switched over to Bluesky (yet). Lots of Japanese people and things are still on Twitter and so are a lotta people in the global south. Though Trump and Musk are trying to stamp out resistance in and by the global south. So that might not matter much longer. D:

Also, Mastodon sometimes makes me think of the "morphin' time" thing from Power Rangers. I suppose there's people that'd default to the metal band too. XD

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1. In Germany we still have to pay "Solidaritätszuschlag" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarit%C3%A4tszuschlag).
This money could be given to EU Sovereign Tech Fund (EU-STF) instead.

2. Forbid (proprietary) file formats like doc, docx, ppt, pptx, xls, xlsx, rtf, tnef, ... in the EU (public and private sector). We already have ODF.
Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support ODF as first-class citizen.
Every mail server (public and private sector) should be configured to deny mails with these file attachments.

3. Force M$ to release a free converter for all their proprietary file formats into ODF. The results must be 101%😁

4. Forbid proprietary protocols and APIs.

5. Force developers/companies of proprietary software to support free SQL-Backend alternatives like MariaDB and PostgreSQL and treat them as first-class citizen.

This would be a good start... man can dream.

Edit!
Ohhh boy, I forgot the most important...
6. Forbid DirectX and Mantle.

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Quoting: Numerfolt

Quoting: AsciiWolfAnd Mastodon is sadly even more toxic than X/Twitter.

Oh, that's interesting, I haven't encounterd much toxicity on Mastodon so far 🤔

Isn't Mastodon designed to be sort of . . . patchy? Different sub-communities could be very different.

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Okay, you got me, i have to have this. Did you play it on the deck yourself? I'll take a look if i get the soundtrack with it, too, it seems to be really good.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfAnd Mastodon is sadly even more toxic than X/Twitter.

Oh, that's interesting, I haven't encounterd much toxicity on Mastodon so far 🤔

Excited for Hytale tho!

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Quoting: JarmerHow hard is it to setup a mastadon or bluesky account?

Don't want to be a devil's advocate here, but if you want to target wider audience, Mastodon is out of the game. And Mastodon is sadly even more toxic than X/Twitter. Avoiding "social media" altogether is wiser, in my opinion.

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Quoting: LoudTechieMy proposals were.
Publish cryptographic hashes of restricted material, so small player can collaborate to implement filters for illegal information like CSAM and copyright protected material allowing them to more cheaply preform moderation responsibilities.

[Perceptual hashing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptual_hashing), used for copyrighted content and CSAM detection is very different from cryptographic hashing. The goal is to catch images and videos that are "sufficiently similar". It's as vague as it sounds, and unless configured with a very low sensitivity is guaranteed to cause false positives. When configured with low sensitivity, it's possible to bypass. When you take into account the quantity of CSAM perceptual hashes out there, false positives happen regularly. So you can either block everything, or block random things. Far from a solved problem

Using perceptual hashing for copyright enforcement is even worse, because the algorithm has no way to account for [exceptions to copyright](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright). That should always be a human's judgement call, but with copyright trolls in the picture you get a lot of pressure towards false positives.

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Man those numbers are so insane. Good! Love it!

Also the top games are just so funny. CS & Dota. LOL

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Quoting: tfkOpen source mobile phones,
Open source desktops,
From there,
EU based payment systems for easy EU based online transactions,
EU based and open source security layers for said payment providers.
Educational programs to show people how to be the owner of their own system again, and how to do critical thinking again.
Ban on American cloud services like Google, Microsoft, Amazon. I mean firewall block. Boom!

Edit: gave my feedback.

This all sounds amazing as an American. Especially the payment thing. Here we are so screwed with horrible options for sending money around in friend / family groups. Most people in my social circle still use venmo for everything which is just paypal, a horrifying company.

Microsoft is so screwed in the corporate sector. I don't think they care though, right now Satya's brain has turned completely to mush with ai garbage so he can't even think properly. The entire corporate world over the next decade is going to dump office (or copilot 365 app LOLOL) and windows, so that's a TON of revenue lost. Again I don't think microsoft cares, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with windows.

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That's excellent! Can't wait to try it tomorrow! I don't expect it to be better than Vintage Story, but I'm sure its still going to be lots of fun.

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whoa this looks AWESOME. Definitely wishlisted. Thanks for the rec :)

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Quoting: vic-bayTo force tech giants contribute back to open source, the open source projects should force GPLv2 licence. And have actual auditing entity to ensure compliance. EU can enforce that.

EU has created a GPL compatible license - [EUPL v1.2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Public_Licence). It's actually translated into every single EU language, and by lawyers, not volunteers, so it's more likely to hold up in court.

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^ I hate game devs using twitter as well. Especially as you said it's now a pay-for-child-porn landscape. How hard is it to setup a mastadon or bluesky account? Oh well.

And this game I'm not familiar with, I guess it looks like a more modern minecraft maybe?

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The [inkscape](https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/16213-European-Open-Digital-Ecosystems/F33363220_en) post is an interesting read

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Quoting: LoudTechieEdit:
What would you guys propose?

I was thinking about stuff like this about a month ago and I’d like to see 2 things, both giving more state funding towards open-source I think could work:

1. Requirement that all software commissioned by European states be open sourced – so that it is easily maintable, available to citizens, and providers of that software can be changed (there could be exceptions for specific use-cases, like I understand to keep new military tech classified for some time; I’d still require that to eventually become open-sourced after, say, 20 or 30 years).
2. Maybe a separate open-source fund working similarly to private copying levies and the like – with a tax on income from products involving the use of open-source components. The idea would be that, say, if a company has annual income of over ~1 million euro and the product they’re selling or the infrastructure they maintain uses open-source components (libraries, databases, operating systems…), they pay some low tax (0.5%? 1%? I’ve no feel for what a specific good value would be) of the income. They could avoid paying that tax by either showing that they use absolutely no open-source (and thus don’t benefit from open-source directly) or that they are already contributing back by releasing their stuff (so if they release open-source and earn by maintaining it themselves, they’d be free from the tax). The money would be used by the state to pay foundations, societies, and other organizations maintaining and supporting open-source projects.

Point 2 is pretty much treating open-source as the public infrastructure it de facto is and fund it from taxes from the institutions that use it, as normally it’s done with public infrastructure (roads, media, health-care…).

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Gonna nitpick here, but

Speaking on X/Twitter

...actually puts me off caring about this game. I know it's shallow, but there it is. I don't care if you're "reaching your audience" - first of all, you're not reaching me, and second of all, you're helping fund and justify the child porn platform.

I wonder what it'll take for genuine brands to realise that association with Musk's toxic hellscape rubs off on them. At least for me.

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Open source mobile phones,
Open source desktops,
From there,
EU based payment systems for easy EU based online transactions,
EU based and open source security layers for said payment providers.
Educational programs to show people how to be the owner of their own system again, and how to do critical thinking again.
Ban on American cloud services like Google, Microsoft, Amazon. I mean firewall block. Boom!

Edit: gave my feedback.

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Oh god, that looks really good. If it was just a numbers puzzle game, I'd be vaguely interested... but the sub-narrative reminds me of things like Doki Doki, or Antichamber.

And argh!!! Just went to buy it, and you've sold me a dummy! It's "out in 2026". What does that mean!?!? Goddamit!! 😆

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