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I'm kind off dissapointed in the discourse here tbh (like with a lot of Fedora stuff among other things). Black and white thinking and bad faith takes are more common on GoL comment sections nowadays, which unfortunately makes the whole place less welcoming imo.

Personally, I think people are being quite harsh and unconstructive when they write of the distro after this decision, especially when they are still in the process of finding a solution. Critisizing them for making a SIG is really confusing to me, why would it be a bad thing to bring a attention to it?

We're talking about FOSS software here, most people are doing this work in their free time and nobody's perfect, and I can imagine that people get frustrated. If we look at the forum discussion, the moderator was trying to move the discussion back to something constructive. That's not the same as "toxic positivity" imo.

I have been using Fedora for years now, and it is generally quite stable, I think they're doing a pretty good job, especially considering they're at the leading edge of package versions.

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The memory leak issue with slideshow wallpapers on Nvidia is still a thing, Plasma devs and Nvidia devs keep throwing the ball to each other and the issue is still going unfixed.

Forcing things before fixing things, I'd expect this with Micro$oft... not Linux.

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Just wanted to mention that I've been playing Soulframe on my Steam Deck for a few months (added as a non-Steam game), and it runs pretty smoothly. Enabling FSR in the game settings helps a lot.

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Quoting: melkemindSo, is Plasma Wayland in a good state for Nvidia users now?

Has been for a while, but the NVIDIA DX12 performance bug is still a thing and its a rather NASTY AND BIG issue.
Refer to recent GamerNexus results.

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Well I'm already moving everything to NixOS anyways. Kinda crazy that you need a specific SIG for stability and that it wasn't already a priority. Kinda tells you their mindset, especially with the constant move to new things even when it isn't even ready for half the users yet.

If you're fine with that, then Fedora is still a good distro to use, but personally I just don't vibe with it anymore. I am more of a Bazzite user, but it is similarly an Agenda first distro and I just don't vibe with their latest agendas.

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So this is less paid beta test, more an opportunity to support Digital Extremes and demonstrate interest in this new title. Granted, when DE did this last time, it was essentially a hail mary to keep the studio from going broke, and now they have the backing of Tencent and such to fund their efforts. I'm still going to buy in anyway since I missed out on Warframe's founder program and I want to support a home grown developer.

As for the combat, I can at the very least say that it's getting better. I was in the original test very early on, more or less when they were just letting folks run the build that they initially showed off at Tennocon (the Warframe convention), and it was extremely clunky. It's no Arkham combat system, but I trust DE well enough to make it work, and it is better now, even if it still has a good ways to go last I played it over the summer.

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Quoting: simplyseven

Quoting: natis1It's very pretty but my god is the gameplay miserable. I couldn't play it for more than an hour.

Can you elaborate? Was it too clunky or simple? Did the game feel too high level? Sorry to ask so many questions, I just got a blip of hope from the trailer.

It's just extremely slow. If you've played Warframe it's like the worst parts of duviri but as the whole game.

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That's good, if it will accelerate development of stuff like Vulkan rendering for Kwin.

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This one the reasons I moved on to developing my own distro. I based it on Debian sid but I have a "staging" repo that pulls in all the latest packages and I run on this repo myself so I am always testing it then after I feel there are no major issues such as this and feel its stable I push it to my stable repo. I use aptly for all this so the way I use it even pulling in fresh packages it NEVER pulls in out right broken packages with how aptly does dependency resolving for incoming packages if you are snapshotting .. so really the only point in my staging repo is to test actual package stability and hopfully one day I have other people testing with me so my distro hopefully never has these types of issues

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Quoting: torkel104Can you toggle vsync yet?

For gaming on KDE that LONG been fixed and as far as the desktop if you have VRR it uses that if you have it turned on and if not it uses Vsync.. I don't understand though why on Earth you would want to turn that off on the desktop itself... would be a screen tearing mess

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Head Tilt*

This is a very interesting development, I will watch this from afar with great interest.

I see this as a potential shift to fame like Gabe Newel when Steam was new, very interesting development indeed.

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Oh cold fear was a good kne if not short but hey a good clone.
A shame it didnt get a sequel cause the mechanics worked well and combat was overall fun.
The game had been going on sale for a dollar or two on steam but the gog version costs more noe.
Still its clearly more playable here and supports the work behind it.
Do hooe the steam version gets the uodates too though.

Happy to see Screamer, Epic pinball Rayman 2 and others get the treatment too.
Epic Oinball being a dos game I usually just grab the fikes and stuff it into dosbox pure or something but lazy installing it on PC has been just fine too.
Curious what improvements they felt it needed kr maybe they did nothing and its just a garuntee thing but eh, always a good day to see thus commitment to preservation

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Can you toggle vsync yet?

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Me to Facepunch,referencing the bullshit statements with Rust and AC:

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The beginnings of a Facepunch redemption arc?

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That's a good question. I've read a fair number of comments and reviews from people saying that being able to just pick up the Steam Deck and play a game, rather than sitting down at a full-on desktop PC, somehow made it easier for them to find time to play. I'm also wondering if having the extra device will mean I can more easily play multiplayer games with friends/family at home.

We're playing Minecraft with two people in one world with PC and Steam Deck. So, yes, this night work out!

BTW, still searching for tips how to play split screen on one PC. I cannot get two controllers to work, the two Minecraft instance's controls are always interfering with each other.

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The camera comes in close sometimes in tight spaces. So if you're using a VR headset to play, then RIP.

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checked it out briefly before, they seem to be making very good decisions generally.

if they get the licensing sorted with valve for people to do standalone releases, i think you'll see a hell of a lot of general uptake.

especially devs still using unity, which i would imagine apart from inertia is mostly for first class C# support, and the many good editor UI/UX decisions (which s&box seems to be fulfilling very well too)

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Hmm... probably we'll have to give up some things we (or at least I) got used to when switching to Wayland.

I've been using Wayland now for a while, and yes, it does have its benefits. E.g on my Surface Pro 7 with Gnome, I can use the full resolution of 2736x1824 with frictional scaling to 175%. It runs very smooth. With X11 performance is very laggy when moving windows and mouse speed feels way to slow. My workaround for that was to use a lower resolution, but none matches the full 3:2 screen, closest I could get was 1680x1050 showing some black bars on top and buttom.

Also Synergy/Deskflow/InputLeap/Barrier (it's more or less all the same) still has issues, on some I get the desktop-portal question for which screen to share and permission each time I start it, while it doesn't ask it on others. Same version... and copy/paste between devices doesn't work on Wayland yet.

But I can get along with these little annoyances. What I'll really be missing is the input-overlay plugin for OBS. To show the MoveMaster keypresses on screen. But input-overlay relies on libuiohook, which apparently cannot easily be made compatible with Wayland.

VR on Ubuntu 24.04 with Gnome 46 is missing DRM leasing, but that's fixed in the next version.

My only real issue is the input-overlay. Wayland works for me pretty well otherwise, I'm using it on my Ubuntu desktop PC with nVidia, old VR gaming notebook running arch and nVidia, vBazzite uses it on my Legion Go and CachyOS uses it on my ROG Ally. And the Surface Pro 7 also running Ubuntu.

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There still isn't an onscreen keyboard that rivals 'Onboard' or anything close under KDE / Wayland. In fact, im not sure there even is a fully functioning onscreen keyboard under Wayland KDE-Plasma right now


the last i read about it was here (last post 6 days ago):

https://discuss.kde.org/t/plasma-6-and-wayland-no-on-screen-keyboard-working/17799/53

where the workaround requiring GDK_BACKEND=x11 & adding it to environment variables. Seemingly not working on Fedora. Look at the first post in that thread and see who the kinds of people are effected by the forced switch to Wayland. People are still struggling with this all the way back to the beginning of Wayland's inception. Sure there are workarounds to some extent but it's not a very user friendly solution, when you are telling regular folks to switch to Linux.

I guess valve might use xwayland on SteamOS for the onscreen keyboard ? will that cover every feature of a regular keyboard idk.

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Quoting: Cley_Faye

Quoting: melkemindSo, is Plasma Wayland in a good state for Nvidia users now?

I tried switching back to Wayland two days ago, with a relatively recent version of KDE Plasma (using KDE Neon) and an NVidia RTX 3070Ti using the latest proprietary driver.

On the upside, the issue of having *anything* with transparency freezing the whole desktop is gone. This included extensions popup in firefox and the time tooltip when hovering the clock in the notification area…

On the downside, it made weylus unusable (a particularly niche case unfortunately), related to how window location and screen arrangement are reported. And video capture is not happy too…
OBS became unpredictable (a relatively larger case I'd wager). Related, the portal popup that allow selecting a screen/window for screen sharing freeze with a particularly obtuse error message in the logs (`mesa: error: MESA: failed to import sync file 'too many open files'`) rendering the whole thing useless, as even screen sharing from the browser is now borked.

And, still happening, trying to use the clipboard from a terminal application (say, using clipboard manipulation in vim in konsole) still won't work without setting up some call to external scripts that can't handle all common use cases.

So, one day ago, I switched again to X11. Everything works, and since I have no use for fractional scaling or anything fancy on my decade old displays, there's no tangible downside.

Also, since we're on the internet, some disclaimer: I *know* that this is only a personal experience. But it exists; on a system that's mostly a vanilla installation of Ubuntu+KDE Plasma, using very common software, on a graphic card from a manufacturer that represents a large share of the general public. And some of these issues are so often brushed off that it really irks me. I don't really have the resource to put development time in Plasma's implementation of wayland, and trying to raise awareness is usually met with a wall, which is frustrating. But as it is, switching to Wayland, on my relatively modern, up-to-date system, means losing features, having some software completely unusable, and the only recourse as a user will soon disappear. It does not feel great.

Thank you for taking the time to share your experience 😌. Articulating all of this - despite previous frustrations with talking about this - sounds like not insignificant effort and time (it would be for me anyway 😄).

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Quoting: Tethys84You'd think that gamer friends of a gamer would know about all these games too.

Not necessarily. Everyone has different tastes, and there are far too many games coming out every day to keep track of all of them, let alone play them. There are tons of games I've played that my friends haven't, and vice versa.

Now, is this the best way to tell your friends about games you like? Eh… Conversation is how I prefer to do it.

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Quoting: yndoendoWent with a Framework recently.

One design competence that most companies fail at is properly balancing the USB ports. USB-C & USB-A should have one on each side versus same side next to each other. You Don't know if the power will come from right or left of the laptop from the outlet. It improves user experience when lying down on a couch because it allows the cord to be plugged into the non-backing side.

I agree, but I'd argue that is a premium feature. It almost certainly costs less to put ports of the same type next to one another. (I don't know much about PCB design, but I can speculate:) e.g. if your USB ports can do PD, having traces go all the way to the other side of the motherboard (or a second set of electronic components providing this is noticeably more complicated.

My next laptop will be the Framework 12 probably, since I really enjoy a touch screen and also a stylus for drawing/sketching (even if I don't have a great workflow for either). I also really like repairability as I've repaired my current laptop 8-10 times (both self and repair shops). That said, I still hope the Slimbook does well.

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It will fry your brain just as much as your eyes, as the action truly gets intense

Epilepsy Simulator 2025

Probably too intense for me, but it looks pretty fun !

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Fedora, like Gnome, have gotten stuck in a mindset of toxic-positivity recently imo.

It very much reminds me of an external speaker our uni teacher brought in who tried to argue for why we should stop using "negative" words like problem and instead use "positive" words like challange.

Safe to say, bringing this up in a uni environment of software engineers did not go down well. No attacks were made on the speaker, only criticism of the idea and criticising the idea that problem was a negative word. Overall we considered it a positive thing as we were taught to be in the mindset of problem solvers.

And I feel like Fedora are in the same situation as our external speaker, and consider words like criticism, and problem as inherently negative. This causes them to get really defensive as we can see from e.g. the moderator Francesco in the thread linked.

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Quoting: melkemindSo, is Plasma Wayland in a good state for Nvidia users now?

I tried switching back to Wayland two days ago, with a relatively recent version of KDE Plasma (using KDE Neon) and an NVidia RTX 3070Ti using the latest proprietary driver.

On the upside, the issue of having *anything* with transparency freezing the whole desktop is gone. This included extensions popup in firefox and the time tooltip when hovering the clock in the notification area…

On the downside, it made weylus unusable (a particularly niche case unfortunately), related to how window location and screen arrangement are reported. And video capture is not happy too…
OBS became unpredictable (a relatively larger case I'd wager). Related, the portal popup that allow selecting a screen/window for screen sharing freeze with a particularly obtuse error message in the logs (`mesa: error: MESA: failed to import sync file 'too many open files'`) rendering the whole thing useless, as even screen sharing from the browser is now borked.

And, still happening, trying to use the clipboard from a terminal application (say, using clipboard manipulation in vim in konsole) still won't work without setting up some call to external scripts that can't handle all common use cases.

So, one day ago, I switched again to X11. Everything works, and since I have no use for fractional scaling or anything fancy on my decade old displays, there's no tangible downside.

Also, since we're on the internet, some disclaimer: I *know* that this is only a personal experience. But it exists; on a system that's mostly a vanilla installation of Ubuntu+KDE Plasma, using very common software, on a graphic card from a manufacturer that represents a large share of the general public. And some of these issues are so often brushed off that it really irks me. I don't really have the resource to put development time in Plasma's implementation of wayland, and trying to raise awareness is usually met with a wall, which is frustrating. But as it is, switching to Wayland, on my relatively modern, up-to-date system, means losing features, having some software completely unusable, and the only recourse as a user will soon disappear. It does not feel great.

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Quoting: MayeulCI fully agree with bisbyx above, nothing prevents a compositor from implementing this today, or even a separate app, like KDE devs did for X11 screen capture compatibility. Obviously better if the apps register shortcuts themselves, though.

Quoting: syylkviewport/video memory sharing

Now I don't understand this. We already have dma-buf.

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Back to the article: an interesting tidbit is that, last time I checked, the Steam Deck was still using the X11 session. I wonder if they are going to change this?

yea, once the X11 session is dropped, I expect SteamOS will also drop it, though probably not immediately since SteamOS packages are quite far behind.

Overall this is a welcome change, I've been running everything under Wayland since about 3/4 year and had zero issues that I could directly attribute to Wayland. Flameshot said something about Wayland being incompatible but the flatpak seems to work fine. I think it's in a good enough state so they can drop the X session entirely

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I fully agree with bisbyx above, nothing prevents a compositor from implementing this today, or even a separate app, like KDE devs did for X11 screen capture compatibility. Obviously better if the apps register shortcuts themselves, though.

Quoting: syylkviewport/video memory sharing

Now I don't understand this. We already have dma-buf.

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Back to the article: an interesting tidbit is that, last time I checked, the Steam Deck was still using the X11 session. I wonder if they are going to change this?

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So, is Plasma Wayland in a good state for Nvidia users now?

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Went with a Framework recently.

One design competence that most companies fail at is properly balancing the USB ports. USB-C & USB-A should have one on each side versus same side next to each other. You Don't know if the power will come from right or left of the laptop from the outlet. It improves user experience when lying down on a couch because it allows the cord to be plugged into the non-backing side.

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