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Death Stranding... some call it a boring FedEx simulator, I say it's one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had.

I'm waiting to be able to guide Sam Porter Bridges again on his journey, reconnecting people over the continent and figuring out what the heck has happened to the world.

Please Proton, make this one work on Linux when it releases on PC.

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As long as it allows KDE developers to expedite the development of Wayland, I'm perfectly fine with that change.

I've been running KDE Plasma 6 on Wayland for more than a year now and for me it works mostly fine, besides initial issues with multi monitor setup (some apps not scaling properly or opening on a wrong monitor by default - Window Rules mostly work) and little annoyances with asking me each single time what window to screenshare once I do the screensharing.

Those are not any deal-breakers for me, though.

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Prerequisites: Visual Studio 2026

Not very Linux friendly ...

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Whuff, seems a bit premature to me but I guess I'm not as smart as the people working on this. Hopefully they'll fix non-mouse-controlled cursors not wanting to show up on Wayland by then or else X4 is cooked for me.

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This article reminded me, that I switched to Wayland out of curiosity about half a year ago.
I just forgot about it, everything seems to work.

I use an AMD graphics card though, I have no idea how well it works with Nvidia.

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Quoting: AdutchmanWe're talking about FOSS software here, most people are doing this work in their free time and nobody's perfect, and I can imagine that people get frustrated.

That's true, this is open source, and people volunteer. No one demanded perfection. But if you volunteer to shoulder a responsibility on behalf of a community, then it is not absurd for the community to ask you to take responsibility for what you are doing. No-one in particular were waving pitchforks, they were wondering why it happened, how it happened, and how can we (as a community) do better in the future.

If you don't want to or can't take responsibility, that is absolutely understandable but then you need to say so and make way for someone else who is able to. This is the reason I haven't shouldered that responsibility in the 20+ years I've been part of the overall linux community. I could never handle the responsiblity of maintining a major package in a major distribution, so I contributed in other ways.

Quoting: AdutchmanIf we look at the forum discussion, the moderator was trying to move the discussion back to something constructive. That's not the same as "toxic positivity" imo.

Several people including our own good man Liam tried to be professional and constructive, but were told to shut it.

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I am running a dual PC streaming setup on Manjaro Linux via the wayland session, and have been doing so for some months now.

Game streaming is, TBH a better experience for me than it was on windows, since pipewire allows an audio setup that is far less janky than the rats nest of virtal audio cable drivers I used to deal with. Most games just run, others need minor tweaking, but no outright failures yet. OBS has been great under wayland and pipewire, no issues at all.

As far as day to day app use under wayland goes, everything has been smooth, and a better experience than on my work station where I used to run Manjaro plasma with the X session.

TLDR: It is time to leave X behind. Wayland and Pipewire are leading the charge on the new Linux desktop.

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Quoting: AdutchmanI'm kind off dissapointed in the discourse here tbh (like with a lot of Fedora stuff among other things). Black and white thinking and bad faith takes are more common on GoL comment sections nowadays, which unfortunately makes the whole place less welcoming imo.

Personally, I think people are being quite harsh and unconstructive when they write of the distro after this decision, especially when they are still in the process of finding a solution. Critisizing them for making a SIG is really confusing to me, why would it be a bad thing to bring a attention to it?

We're talking about FOSS software here, most people are doing this work in their free time and nobody's perfect, and I can imagine that people get frustrated. If we look at the forum discussion, the moderator was trying to move the discussion back to something constructive. That's not the same as "toxic positivity" imo.

I have been using Fedora for years now, and it is generally quite stable, I think they're doing a pretty good job, especially considering they're at the leading edge of package versions.

They SHOULDN'T NEED a SIG.. stability should be a thing REGARDLESS considering they make 6 month releases... as much people claim they are "semi rolling" they take the stance of numbered releases.. also they KNEW the mesa package was broken but push it out as an update ANYWAY because in their words Steam is closed sourced so they didn't care

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So, if they are "only" making plasma-shell Wayland only, what are the options, if you have to use X11 due to things Wayland will never support (don't want to go deeper in that regard), but want still keep using KDE applications (mainly Dolphin and Konsole).

It should still use preferably Qt as a base library, so it's LXQt then? Any other options, if I don't want to use GTK based shells?

I'd like to have a similiar task bar at the bottom, no macos-like dock, but a system tray and a start menu.

icewm? WindowMaker? lxQt?

Any other options. that are not Trinity?

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Quoting: LoftyThere still isn't an onscreen keyboard that rivals 'Onboard' or anything close under KDE / Wayland. In fact, im not sure there even is a fully functioning onscreen keyboard under Wayland KDE-Plasma right now


the last i read about it was here (last post 6 days ago):

https://discuss.kde.org/t/plasma-6-and-wayland-no-on-screen-keyboard-working/17799/53

where the workaround requiring GDK_BACKEND=x11 & adding it to environment variables. Seemingly not working on Fedora. Look at the first post in that thread and see who the kinds of people are effected by the forced switch to Wayland. People are still struggling with this all the way back to the beginning of Wayland's inception. Sure there are workarounds to some extent but it's not a very user friendly solution, when you are telling regular folks to switch to Linux.

I guess valve might use xwayland on SteamOS for the onscreen keyboard ? will that cover every feature of a regular keyboard idk.

Not yet, but ghey're working hard on it: see https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Known_Significant_Issues at Accessibility.

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I'm kind off dissapointed in the discourse here tbh (like with a lot of Fedora stuff among other things). Black and white thinking and bad faith takes are more common on GoL comment sections nowadays, which unfortunately makes the whole place less welcoming imo.

Personally, I think people are being quite harsh and unconstructive when they write of the distro after this decision, especially when they are still in the process of finding a solution. Critisizing them for making a SIG is really confusing to me, why would it be a bad thing to bring a attention to it?

We're talking about FOSS software here, most people are doing this work in their free time and nobody's perfect, and I can imagine that people get frustrated. If we look at the forum discussion, the moderator was trying to move the discussion back to something constructive. That's not the same as "toxic positivity" imo.

I have been using Fedora for years now, and it is generally quite stable, I think they're doing a pretty good job, especially considering they're at the leading edge of package versions.

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The memory leak issue with slideshow wallpapers on Nvidia is still a thing, Plasma devs and Nvidia devs keep throwing the ball to each other and the issue is still going unfixed.

Forcing things before fixing things, I'd expect this with Micro$oft... not Linux.

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Just wanted to mention that I've been playing Soulframe on my Steam Deck for a few months (added as a non-Steam game), and it runs pretty smoothly. Enabling FSR in the game settings helps a lot.

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Quoting: melkemindSo, is Plasma Wayland in a good state for Nvidia users now?

Has been for a while, but the NVIDIA DX12 performance bug is still a thing and its a rather NASTY AND BIG issue.
Refer to recent GamerNexus results.

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Well I'm already moving everything to NixOS anyways. Kinda crazy that you need a specific SIG for stability and that it wasn't already a priority. Kinda tells you their mindset, especially with the constant move to new things even when it isn't even ready for half the users yet.

If you're fine with that, then Fedora is still a good distro to use, but personally I just don't vibe with it anymore. I am more of a Bazzite user, but it is similarly an Agenda first distro and I just don't vibe with their latest agendas.

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So this is less paid beta test, more an opportunity to support Digital Extremes and demonstrate interest in this new title. Granted, when DE did this last time, it was essentially a hail mary to keep the studio from going broke, and now they have the backing of Tencent and such to fund their efforts. I'm still going to buy in anyway since I missed out on Warframe's founder program and I want to support a home grown developer.

As for the combat, I can at the very least say that it's getting better. I was in the original test very early on, more or less when they were just letting folks run the build that they initially showed off at Tennocon (the Warframe convention), and it was extremely clunky. It's no Arkham combat system, but I trust DE well enough to make it work, and it is better now, even if it still has a good ways to go last I played it over the summer.

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Quoting: simplyseven

Quoting: natis1It's very pretty but my god is the gameplay miserable. I couldn't play it for more than an hour.

Can you elaborate? Was it too clunky or simple? Did the game feel too high level? Sorry to ask so many questions, I just got a blip of hope from the trailer.

It's just extremely slow. If you've played Warframe it's like the worst parts of duviri but as the whole game.

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That's good, if it will accelerate development of stuff like Vulkan rendering for Kwin.

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This one the reasons I moved on to developing my own distro. I based it on Debian sid but I have a "staging" repo that pulls in all the latest packages and I run on this repo myself so I am always testing it then after I feel there are no major issues such as this and feel its stable I push it to my stable repo. I use aptly for all this so the way I use it even pulling in fresh packages it NEVER pulls in out right broken packages with how aptly does dependency resolving for incoming packages if you are snapshotting .. so really the only point in my staging repo is to test actual package stability and hopfully one day I have other people testing with me so my distro hopefully never has these types of issues

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Quoting: torkel104Can you toggle vsync yet?

For gaming on KDE that LONG been fixed and as far as the desktop if you have VRR it uses that if you have it turned on and if not it uses Vsync.. I don't understand though why on Earth you would want to turn that off on the desktop itself... would be a screen tearing mess

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Head Tilt*

This is a very interesting development, I will watch this from afar with great interest.

I see this as a potential shift to fame like Gabe Newel when Steam was new, very interesting development indeed.

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Oh cold fear was a good kne if not short but hey a good clone.
A shame it didnt get a sequel cause the mechanics worked well and combat was overall fun.
The game had been going on sale for a dollar or two on steam but the gog version costs more noe.
Still its clearly more playable here and supports the work behind it.
Do hooe the steam version gets the uodates too though.

Happy to see Screamer, Epic pinball Rayman 2 and others get the treatment too.
Epic Oinball being a dos game I usually just grab the fikes and stuff it into dosbox pure or something but lazy installing it on PC has been just fine too.
Curious what improvements they felt it needed kr maybe they did nothing and its just a garuntee thing but eh, always a good day to see thus commitment to preservation

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Can you toggle vsync yet?

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Me to Facepunch,referencing the bullshit statements with Rust and AC:

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The beginnings of a Facepunch redemption arc?

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That's a good question. I've read a fair number of comments and reviews from people saying that being able to just pick up the Steam Deck and play a game, rather than sitting down at a full-on desktop PC, somehow made it easier for them to find time to play. I'm also wondering if having the extra device will mean I can more easily play multiplayer games with friends/family at home.

We're playing Minecraft with two people in one world with PC and Steam Deck. So, yes, this night work out!

BTW, still searching for tips how to play split screen on one PC. I cannot get two controllers to work, the two Minecraft instance's controls are always interfering with each other.

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The camera comes in close sometimes in tight spaces. So if you're using a VR headset to play, then RIP.

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checked it out briefly before, they seem to be making very good decisions generally.

if they get the licensing sorted with valve for people to do standalone releases, i think you'll see a hell of a lot of general uptake.

especially devs still using unity, which i would imagine apart from inertia is mostly for first class C# support, and the many good editor UI/UX decisions (which s&box seems to be fulfilling very well too)

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Hmm... probably we'll have to give up some things we (or at least I) got used to when switching to Wayland.

I've been using Wayland now for a while, and yes, it does have its benefits. E.g on my Surface Pro 7 with Gnome, I can use the full resolution of 2736x1824 with frictional scaling to 175%. It runs very smooth. With X11 performance is very laggy when moving windows and mouse speed feels way to slow. My workaround for that was to use a lower resolution, but none matches the full 3:2 screen, closest I could get was 1680x1050 showing some black bars on top and buttom.

Also Synergy/Deskflow/InputLeap/Barrier (it's more or less all the same) still has issues, on some I get the desktop-portal question for which screen to share and permission each time I start it, while it doesn't ask it on others. Same version... and copy/paste between devices doesn't work on Wayland yet.

But I can get along with these little annoyances. What I'll really be missing is the input-overlay plugin for OBS. To show the MoveMaster keypresses on screen. But input-overlay relies on libuiohook, which apparently cannot easily be made compatible with Wayland.

VR on Ubuntu 24.04 with Gnome 46 is missing DRM leasing, but that's fixed in the next version.

My only real issue is the input-overlay. Wayland works for me pretty well otherwise, I'm using it on my Ubuntu desktop PC with nVidia, old VR gaming notebook running arch and nVidia, vBazzite uses it on my Legion Go and CachyOS uses it on my ROG Ally. And the Surface Pro 7 also running Ubuntu.

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There still isn't an onscreen keyboard that rivals 'Onboard' or anything close under KDE / Wayland. In fact, im not sure there even is a fully functioning onscreen keyboard under Wayland KDE-Plasma right now


the last i read about it was here (last post 6 days ago):

https://discuss.kde.org/t/plasma-6-and-wayland-no-on-screen-keyboard-working/17799/53

where the workaround requiring GDK_BACKEND=x11 & adding it to environment variables. Seemingly not working on Fedora. Look at the first post in that thread and see who the kinds of people are effected by the forced switch to Wayland. People are still struggling with this all the way back to the beginning of Wayland's inception. Sure there are workarounds to some extent but it's not a very user friendly solution, when you are telling regular folks to switch to Linux.

I guess valve might use xwayland on SteamOS for the onscreen keyboard ? will that cover every feature of a regular keyboard idk.

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