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Quoting: GeamanduraWhat is the purpose of this project morphing into a bundle of their initial vision engine plus more and more unrelated random shit?

Well, from a user's perspective, not having to keep track of ten thousand little projects is kind of valuable.

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Cool demo, but I hope in the final release they add a dark mode. I get migraines easily by looking at white screens for too long so I had to stop playing the game pretty quick.

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All this so called "backlash" has been for nothing LMAO... From the very beginning Mozilla said they would do this even BEFORE the "backlash" started.. but NO ONE took the time to ACTUALLY read their initial announcement. We live in the age of rage bait and people reading a headline and NOTHING else. Now granted Mozilla should be disabling them by default but it is what it is

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: _wojteksadly tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority

[Duckduckgo did a survey](https://voteyesornoai.com/) asking their userbase if they wanted AI features. They closed the poll after a week or so, 175K votes counted, and 90% said no, they don't want AI.

Yes, it's very skewed - DDG's userbase is privacy-focused. But "tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority" is a shitty and antagonistic way to describes people's perfectly valid dislike of this planet-burning technology.

@Eike summed it up perfectly.

Also, you yourself point only to DDG survey where most likely only those hell-bent on anti-AI crusade participated (because it was shared in certain places) :D

Probably the most reliable thing would be to force the survey to all Fx users to get the correct trends but the… they kinda already have that and it's called tellemetry and they can see if the current AI features are used or not and they probably make the decission based on that.

Of course the same vocal minority was butt-hurt about telemetry back in the day and gladly turned it off just to voice their disconent later on.

All in all, Mozilla DID address the issue in a quite nice and elegant way.
The setting will be permanent and apply to all feature AI features.

It will probably be featured in "what's new" after the update so everyone affected will be able to turn it off. Why the heck still complain about what they did???

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It is a good thing many people complained about the AI additions. If we didn't complain, then the disable feature would never have been implemented or if it was you would never find it. They would add it to some config file.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: _wojteksadly tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority

[Duckduckgo did a survey](https://voteyesornoai.com/) asking their userbase if they wanted AI features. They closed the poll after a week or so, 175K votes counted, and 90% said no, they don't want AI.

Yes, it's very skewed - DDG's userbase is privacy-focused. But "tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority" is a shitty and antagonistic way to describes people's perfectly valid dislike of this planet-burning technology.

_wojtek spoke about those that still spread hate even with being able to easily turn it off. I don't think this can be associated with all people not wanting AI active in their browsers.

Yes, there's still reasons to dislike it. But hey, if nearly nobody wants AI, nearly nobody's gonna use it, right?

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Quoting: Aaron SparksA very small downtick from people that switched and ran away at the first sight of trouble or realized they couldn’t play battlefield 6 maybe?🤣 At least globally user count is up.

The survey is not exact enough to look at every 0.1% up or down. Better look at whole years.

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Improving on the Civilization formula is really not that simple. Change it too much and people complain it's no longer Civilization. Change it too little and people see no reason to upgrade from the previous installment.

Perhaps with some things there comes a point where they are as perfect as can be, and any change will only make them worse. Though I guess plenty people will argue that Civilization VI wasn't at that point yet.

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Quoting: _wojteksadly tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority

[Duckduckgo did a survey](https://voteyesornoai.com/) asking their userbase if they wanted AI features. They closed the poll after a week or so, 175K votes counted, and 90% said no, they don't want AI.

Yes, it's very skewed - DDG's userbase is privacy-focused. But "tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority" is a shitty and antagonistic way to describes people's perfectly valid dislike of this planet-burning technology.

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Took them long enough...

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Quoting: AzzurraIrisLeaMonde

Quoting: whizseI never had a problem with the newsletter. Give me free video games, I allow you to send me the occasional mail. Same rule applies to everyone, GOG, Fanatical, my moms...

How many moms do you have? 👀

Word to your moms

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Honestly not sure that's enough to get me playing again. I think at this point, I'd probably only drop back in for more varied PvE content - which would mean some actual variety in the enemies you face and more story missions to carry you along. Maybe that's what the new challenges are?

But I absolutely loved the shield-flying you do, and the vehicles. And the gunplay was great, it's just a shame there was only like about 4 enemies. And the base-building was satisfying. It was such a good 120 hours...

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I know! Firefox, with each update should present a new-tab-page forcing users selecting all new additions. You know - some may not want new JS api! Or CSS adding animations! /s

haters gonna hate, mozilla/firefox addressed the issue and now they can move on. sadly tiny but super vocal butt-hurt minority will spam everywhere their "dissatisfaction"

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Quoting: suchI think FF8R is the one version not to get out of the two - it looks atrocious, and it still has the same technical limitations the previous version had.

So, I maintain that if we're talking compromise (given we're discussing the PC ports, and modern FF8 ports in general) the emulated PSX version is the single best, easiest to obtain, set up and engage with... compromise. Popular games as well, so you can snag those discs easy off ebay. No Pocketstation support in software emulation AFAIK, but that's truly nothing to write home about - I own a couple, I know - and statistically not something someone interested in getting into FF8 in 2026 would be into, certainly not over the rest of the game not being... a sub-par, unresponsive experience relative to the smoothness you get on the PSX, emulated or otherwise.

Now, if we're not talking compromise there's the original hardware route or FPGA, which has the benefit of not requiring a scaler for HDMI output. Pocketstation support included.

I can't for the life of me decipher what you meant by the reading Japanese snarkiness, though :)

Without a PocketStation for Chocobo World you can't get various items (the Remastered version removed CW but added the items to the Angelo Search drop table). Also, a PSX version of FFVIII will set you back like 100 USD, which is 5 times what you'd pay for FFVIII on GOG outside of a sale, and that's before taking the costs for a PSX and PocketStation into account (of course that's even assuming you don't get scammed which used to be a real issue on e-bay). Not to mention the awful load times on PSX hardware (which could be mitigated by using a PS2 with fast disk loading instead).

I will have to admit being wrong about having to be able to read Japanese, though, I thought the PocketStation features were removed from the non-Japanese versions because the PocketStation was only available in Japan. Turns out I was wrong.

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A very small downtick from people that switched and ran away at the first sight of trouble or realized they couldn’t play battlefield 6 maybe?🤣 At least globally user count is up.

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Quoting: CyborgZeta

Quoting: hardpenguinHow about you disable them by default, Mozilla, and have people unleash AI at their own peril -_-

This is dumb. So dumb.

They're providing the controls to turn it off, or turn it back on. What does it matter whether AI is already enabled by default?

I'm sorry, this just sounds a little silly to me. People, myself included, wanted the option to turn the AI features off. Alright, that's what they're doing. Now you insist it's off by default. Let's say they did that too, would you just turn around and say, "Well, there shouldn't be any AI to begin with!"

Absolutely, it's absurd to suppose they are going to develop new features and then make them all disabled by default for everyone.

They are providing a feature for those who want to disable all current and future AI features to do so with one click. It ought to be welcomed. I'd be surprised if any other mainstream browser follows their lead on this. It shows they know AI is a divisive issue and want to accommodate all users.

It shows they caved to an immediate and vocal response from a good chunk of their core audience, that is. From their own statements, it's clear they hadn't even considered that anyone would *want* to turn off the "AI" "features" they shoved in there for no good reason (Microsoft telling them they'd donate more if they did it is not a good reason).

A lot of people *have* been saying there shouldn't be any AI to begin with, by the way. It's a waste of resources and the very definition of bloat. Even if "AI" worked as heavily advertised (it doesn't), it's extra material stuffed into the browser for little practical purpose. At most, they could make a framework for "AI" extensions if people really want them, and leave it to the user to add if they really want it. I guarantee most wouldn't.

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Quoting: syylk

Quoting: Nic264What's dumb about translations and OCR?

Blind hatred for anything labeled with “AI” is as pointless as hatred for anything that uses linked lists.

...Until you are the one shopping for a pair of DIMMs.

Well, as Nic264 and grigi mentioned, we've had ML features for a long time and they don't affect RAM prices. Our cameras being able to roughly detect where a face is and auto-focus on that region, is the same tech as the on-device features Firefox now has, and has been for about a decade.
I agree, the real issue is that (apart from the chat "feature" - which I will never understand the purpose of) everything is now labeled "AI", despite being different from the "AI" crap that's wrecking both the environment and the economy right now.
That it's not related to actual "Artificial Intelligence" also makes it a terrible buzzword to use in general.

What we should be rallying against, is the rise of "AI" data centres, the sudden artificial scarcity and caste system of hardware, off-site handling of data, and training on stolen data.

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Quoting: whizseI never had a problem with the newsletter. Give me free video games, I allow you to send me the occasional mail. Same rule applies to everyone, GOG, Fanatical, my moms...

How many moms do you have? 👀

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After ~20 years of using Firefox, this incessant AI bull$h¡t was the final straw for me. A couple months ago I moved to LibreWolf and I'm much happier with piece of mind while I keep waiting for Servo.

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Civ7 pre-production is going quite well, looks like.

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Quoting: CyborgZeta

Quoting: hardpenguinHow about you disable them by default, Mozilla, and have people unleash AI at their own peril -_-

This is dumb. So dumb.

They're providing the controls to turn it off, or turn it back on. What does it matter whether AI is already enabled by default?

I'm sorry, this just sounds a little silly to me. People, myself included, wanted the option to turn the AI features off. Alright, that's what they're doing. Now you insist it's off by default. Let's say they did that too, would you just turn around and say, "Well, there shouldn't be any AI to begin with!"

Absolutely, it's absurd to suppose they are going to develop new features and then make them all disabled by default for everyone.

They are providing a feature for those who want to disable all current and future AI features to do so with one click. It ought to be welcomed. I'd be surprised if any other mainstream browser follows their lead on this. It shows they know AI is a divisive issue and want to accommodate all users.

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Quoting: hardpenguinHow about you disable them by default, Mozilla, and have people unleash AI at their own peril -_-

This is dumb. So dumb.

They're providing the controls to turn it off, or turn it back on. What does it matter whether AI is already enabled by default?

I'm sorry, this just sounds a little silly to me. People, myself included, wanted the option to turn the AI features off. Alright, that's what they're doing. Now you insist it's off by default. Let's say they did that too, would you just turn around and say, "Well, there shouldn't be any AI to begin with!"

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Surely all they need is new tab / pop-up on a browser update to say: " would you like new AI features enabled?" (yes or no)
Enabled by default is tone def and why I moved to Vivaldi years ago

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Quoting: Nic264What's dumb about translations and OCR?

Blind hatred for anything labeled with “AI” is as pointless as hatred for anything that uses linked lists.

...Until you are the one shopping for a pair of DIMMs.

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Quoting: grigiI would love to turn off "AI" features by default and then only turn the ones I need on manually.

I believe this will be possible with what they are offering. You can set the global AI toggle to off which will make all current and future AI features turned off and then you can manually override per AI feature the ones you want on.

If you don’t want to use AI features at all, the Block AI enhancements toggle disables current and future AI features and suppresses prompts. You can always re-enable individual features if you want.

Source: [https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/try-out-ai-controls-in-firefox-nightly/td-p/117177](https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/try-out-ai-controls-in-firefox-nightly/td-p/117177)

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Good deal, should have been like this from the beginning.

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ML translations have been around for a long time, and works. It however is not an LLM. Due to marketing "AI" is confused with "LLM". Due to corporations pushing this unethically and trying to not give us a choice, people are very anti "AI", hence long-standing "AI" like vector-spaces are now painted with the same brush.

Don't attack the person for getting the minutiae wrong, especially when corporations spend money to confuse and misdirect.

Did Mozilla do the right thing here? Arguably, yes. Is it perfect? No.

I would love to turn off "AI" features by default and then only turn the ones I need on manually. Instead it's either "all OFF", or "ON by default".
Can I live with it? Yes.

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This is great news. It may not look like, but there are so few good fallout1&2 like games out there... Encased was an hidden gem (unfortunately the company closed). ATOM was much lower in production value but it was ok (although the dialogues were most of the time boring and the English translation was wired).

Let's hope they nail the dialogue this time.

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Quoting: hardpenguinHow about you disable them by default, Mozilla, and have people unleash AI at their own peril -_-

This is dumb. So dumb.

What's dumb about translations and OCR?

Blind hatred for anything labeled with “AI” is as pointless as hatred for anything that uses linked lists.

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Install libreWolf, a privacy focused firefox fork, and leave all that bs behind.

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