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Quoting: KimyrielleDid anyone read that before reaching for the pitchforks?

AI should always be a choice

Who cares as long as it's optional, really?

The people who understand that mozilla likes to bury such "choices" under dark patterns and/or hard to find, undocumented, settings.

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I'm tired (of cards), boss.

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Not much of a surprise, Fx has been shit for years.

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Quoting: DevlinI would agree with the "number of users" problem if they only had support for Windows, but they support MacOS too, I don´t think that the number of Linux users are so far behind those on MacO

I agree, I think the reason is mostly historic. They added macOS support when Linux gaming was indeed smaller. Today I'd argue Linux gaming is way bigger than macOS gaming.

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Perhaps we can use AI to program a completely normal web browser?

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Quoting: ShmerlI buy games only on GOG lately. I wish it was bigger. Catch 22 creates a problem that their Linux users focus is very minimal, since Linux users are only a small part of their total user base that's already quite smaller than Steam's. That doesn't give them a lot of incentives to back efforts like Galaxy for Linux, which is easy to understand.

The other side of it are developers like Hellish Quart's, who pull their games from GOG, saying that all their users are on Steam. It's very annoying for actual GOG users.

I would agree with the "number of users" problem if they only had support for Windows, but they support MacOS too, I don´t think that the number of Linux users are so far behind those on MacOS, if we go by Steam numbers they are even ahead, although I understand that things like the Steam Deck might increase the number of Linux users there, but event taking that into consideration I don´t think that the difference is so big to justify that.

And if we go with the GOG stated goal of "DRM free" games I'm sure that the average Linux user is much more interested on that difference from Steam than someone that uses Apple's ecosystem to chose it over the alternatives.

Right now there are 3214 MacOS games and 2549 Linux ones filtering on their website, if we exclude newer games that support the former but don´t have official support for Linux that would be even less, and if we add games that run through Proton on Linux we would have more Linux executable games on GOG that MacOS ones. I run quite a few "Windows only" games from GOG using Heroic.

They probably cannot do things like maintaining Proton, and much less building something like the Steam Deck, but they could delegate some support to the community collaborating with projects like ProtonDB or Heroic to mention some of them, I don´t think that anyone is asking them to be Proton maintainers as Valve, and Linux users are already used to rely on the community even for Steam verified games.

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Did anyone read that before reaching for the pitchforks?

AI should always be a choice

Who cares as long as it's optional, really?

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Being able to turn it off isn't good enough. Companies pay undisclosed millions of dollars on a regular basis in order to become the default option in software. If that didn't do anything to create engagement, they wouldn't be spending money and time to make it opt out instead of opt in.

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AI AI AI Everything is becoming AI
And all I can say is Why...AI? While letting out a big Sigh, because again it's about AI.
So now I have something else to Try because of this freaking AI.
When will the time come when this all reveals as a big Lie?
Please let this AI be blown out of the sky.
So I can get cheap memory again from Best Buy.

The end.
Not made with AI.
But it will probably be ripped by it.

😭

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Quoting: toru9999about:config
browser.ml.enable -> false
problem solved

Just checked, this is the default in Librewolf. I switched to it a few months ago, and it was relatively painless.

I've also got Pale Moon, dillo, and NetSurf installed. The last two are really no more useful than lynx, but work well with older websites that don't use javascript/html5.

Pale Moon I keep around for their forks of 3.X (multi-threaded, choose my-own-blasted-destination-directory) downthemall and flashgot (no modern Firefox equivalent, as even VideoDownloadHelper just discontinued their companion app). My old browsing flow made heavy use of both, before WebExtensions ruined that. The forums aren't very welcoming, but the browser works "fine".

Chromium I only use for gmail and shopping. Manifest V3 should burn.

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IF YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER YOU ARE THE PRODUCT.

YU WILL UZ ZE AI AN YU VILL ZIKE ITZ

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Quoting: ChrisznixNow that i came to love it - can anyone forecast what this would mean for a fork like librewolf?
They surely would take that out, will they? Can they?

Yes: https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196

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Quoting: ChrisznixNow that i came to love it - can anyone forecast what this would mean for a fork like librewolf?
They surely would take that out, will they? Can they?

Firefox is still open-source, so I see no reason why Librewolf would be unable to remove AI, just like they removed telemetry, or Firefox sync. And I suppose they will.

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Quoting: BrokattI don't see what's so controversial with this? GOG's Game Preservation program is not a money maker (who could have guessed) and they are asking for donations to keep it strong. That doesn't mean GOG's going out of business. They can close down Game Preservation tomorrow, go back to being a regular DRM-free game store and be just fine.

Now would it be better if a foundation did the game preservation? Maybe but GOG have the distribution and the knowledge to actually make the games run. They are more than just an archive were you can download an .EXE file.

Older games are being lost to time. Now is not the time to look a gift horse in the mouth.

I agree. I feel like people are struggling to see any gray areas in things anymore; it’s just black and white—good and evil—regarding everything. I’m guilty of that too in many circumstances, but I feel like GOG genuinely cares about game preservation and is doing their best to ensure that as many games as possible are available to play, just like any other game, for the foreseeable future. That costs money because there is a ton of work that needs to be done, just to handle all the legal issues alone, let alone packaging these games and making them work on modern systems. I am completely fine with this as long as they continue to show consistent efforts in preserving more and more games. I'd love for them to release a documentary about what goes into the actual process of game preservation, so people could see whats truly involved.

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I don't care for AI, but I like Firefox, so I'm not changing browsers. They say AI will be optional, and I will take them at their word.

Some have recommended I use Vivaldi, but it is both Chromium-based and proprietary; so I prefer not to.

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Has anyone seen if Zen has made a statement on AI?

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I installed Librefow a few months ago in my main pc. It is time to uninstall firefox in my phone and laptop...

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[Laughs in Arkenfox]

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Quoting: scaineEdit... I've just read the post and their "double bottom line" manifesto, and it's clear that their going all in on AI. Goddamit. Time to look for another browser.

thanks for bringing attention to this, didn't notice that! it's funny, the stated goals make sense on some level - diversify income from search, bring "trustworthy" open AI models to the forefront.

just no acknowledgement that AI is an enormous bubble of absolute fucking bollocks that you have to be tricked into using, which is kind of important.

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For those looking for browsers who have actively stated they don't want AI, Vivaldi may be a chromium fork and not open source, but they have outright decried AI in browsers.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/vivaldi-wont-allow-a-machine-to-lie-to-you/

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Servo has been improving at a very serious rate in the last few months alone. Unfortunately it's still missing a few key features such as WebRTC, but its JS & CSS support is coming along nicely. I tried a few Vue and React based SPA sites and other than a few rendering issues it was basically working. I think we are a year out soonest with something usable, and then there probably will still be many issues.

Falkon is a functional stripped-down chromium clone. I've been using it as a backup test browser as it tends to be a bit behind latest chromium releases.

Biggest issue with both of them is no plugin system.

I should really look at more Firefox forks to use in the meantime as the multi-account-container feature is critical for me at this time.

Sigh. I so hate the AI fad. It's even worse than the blockchain fad.

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I turned it off as soon as it appeared, hopefully they won't try to turn it back on (or add more AI settings that are on by default) in future updates.

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what a load of shit. 🙄

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Quoting: CharlieTheMadHatter- Moving toward increased ad revenue and partnerships (adding sponsored content/ads in Firefox and related services), raising concerns about monetization vs. privacy

- Heavy financial dependence on Google search-default deals (large portion of revenue from Google), raising conflict-of-interest and independence concerns

See, they do not really want to be dependent from google, but all other alternative funding methods failed or get user revolt! Adding some default bookmarks or simple ads to the default page that have no user tracking or "personalized" is fine for me, if do give mozilla some money and don't really affect my privacy. i don't like ads, but as long as i can ignore them if i want, it is not a issue. I can't demand mozilla to stop accepting money from google and have no other funding source!

i bet this AI is also another way to try to get some funds, like higher AI limits or something like that. As long it is optional, they can try it

Quoting: CharlieTheMadHatter- Removing or deprecating user-favored features and products (e.g., Pocket shutdown, ...) that alienated loyal users

- Accusations of questionable third‑party partnerships (e.g., monitoring/identity services, ad/analytics vendors) and integrations that conflicted with earlier privacy commitments

Again, when pocket was integrated in firefox, many people complained... now they they removed it, many people also complains.
most people over react to anything that is done. For instance, the cloudflare dns... it is optional, it works really well, it have no user tracking (cloudflare do aggregate what sites people access, but not what one individual user do... and do it for security, not for ads or sell), it can be changed to any other DoH service. Not everyone need it, but for many people this is a great feature. yet, people that don't like it complain a lot while people that do like it usually are silent.

Trying to prove that a ad service can exist without tracking was a great idea... but just reading mozilla and a ad service make a agreement triggered everyone in rage without even knowing the details. No where mozilla said that they would add a tracker to firefox, but that was what people assumed!

it is easier to complain (specially when only know half of the story) than to report it is a good decision

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Fuck. Is there a Firefox fork that supports DRM for Spotify, Netflix, HBO Max etc?

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about:config
browser.ml.enable -> false
problem solved

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I'm using Orion on my mac and iphone, and really liking it. It's made by Kagi, and uses webkit as its renderer. They do also have an AI assistant, but its totally separate and not built into the browser. I'm very much looking forward to their linux release.

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They better stick to that part about letting people disable that stuff. If they try to force it, especially if they force it on the browsers that use Firefox as a base, like Zen (Which is what I use), then I don't know what I'm going to do because I absolutely do not want to go back to a chromium based browser.

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Now that i came to love it - can anyone forecast what this would mean for a fork like librewolf?
They surely would take that out, will they? Can they?
I never got this. If i want a hammer, i want a hammer that does one job: hitting nails to where i want them. Nothing else. These amalgamations of one thousand different "features" can never do one thing well.

If this keeps on happening, i'll be back on mutt, lynx & irssi. Oh, and my C64 should arrive soon, they can do interwebs too, i guess.

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If they really wanted to give us privacy and agency in how we use it, they would give us a very simple opt-out for all AI features.

No, they would deactivate all AI features, until we simply (without dark pattern shit) opt-in for them.

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