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Is it more or less ridiculous than the shoe company pivoting to AI datacenters?

And Thunderbolt? Really?

I'm more and more glad that I stopped donating to Mozilla. Which still feel weird to say.

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This is just overreaching mass surveillance in the guise (lies) of "protecting the children". These people have age verification all backwards. They don't care about protecting anyone, they want more of your data and to track your activities.

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WOW that's one way to be introduced to a game

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Thunderbolt is already a thing, a well-known thing in tech.

Yeah, not only that, but my mind went to Mozilla's other (?!) Thunderb*** immediately -- 'are they changing Thunderbird's name? Is this a typo? Is this a chatbot inside Thunderbird? Is Thunderbird going to force-summarize my emails from now on?', etc.

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Quoting: LoudTechieIt's not attached to the computer it's attached to the user account(poor FreeBSD doesn't have accounts)

They don't have their own accounts either. How many home PC's actually have separate accounts? I mean houses where chaos rules?

Virtually zero, that's what.

That's my point.

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Quoting: spiffykWell, at least they don't have an anus for the logo.

Ainus

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Nope.

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In Bible is text: "At the end of the world, children will turn of they parents".

I do not known, why operating system should provide check boxes to allow/disallow what children can do? I understood why creating API to ask how old child is, but criteria OS should provide check boxes? How to implement this, what rights should be settable, etc?

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Honestly, at what point is it easier to just go "Fine!✋🤚" and sit back while watching the world fall apart under it's own idiocracy? I don't mean start using AI, mind you, no no no. I just mean sitting down and watching people realise how much they've screwed themselves over by becoming complacent. There's literally no such thing as ethical AI, and there never will be. It's just gonna be a long fucking time until people realise that.

Of course, do keep fighting this shit, it shouldn't exist. But I constantly ask myself that question every day.

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Well, at least they don't have an anus for the logo.

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Quoting: LoudTechieAlso the big maintainers(Linus, KDE, FSF, RHEL, etc) will face pressure to add the feature.
In the end it will become a build option to add and not add this.

That would be the easy thing. But that ultimately means nothing as it is removed quicker than it can be added. It is fundamentally impossible add this sort of thing into an open source system and have it "work". And what comes then is the scary part. If anyone can remove said protection, then maybe a "smart" government official will decide that only "approved" systems should be bootable on computers. Bring in "SecureBoot NG-STC", a mandatory security system that makes sure that only lawful systems can be booted on computers! Problem solved!

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Watch out! Your local congress critters are spitting up again. Someone get them a new rag, maybe a new diapy, and a nap. They're confused as to how anything works anywhere in the earth again. Same as a 1yr old!

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Look everyone! We're still relevant! I swear! Where's everyone going? Hey look we have AI now???? PLEASE. PLEASE.

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Quoting: pb

Quoting: LoudTechie- also applies to IOT and servers.

This is the funniest part. Whose age should I set on the fridge? Mine, or the yogurt's? 😆

Anyway it's nothing particularly new. When I set up gmail accounts for my kids, I just added 10 years or whatever, so they don't get blocked from accessing stuff and I don't get pestered with requests for permission or whatever. If I installed such age-requiring OS today, I would do the same.

Yours.
The issue is more do you want to do that for your doorbell, your fridge, your car, your bike lamp and your thermostat. That'll be a lot of work.
I think point of sale settings might be legal in this sense, but would telling your birth date when buying things.

All I can hope in this sense is that I misunderstood:
General purpose computing device to mean a device that can do any computing task, instead of is designed to do any computing task.

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Quoting: dpanterWhy. 🤮

I think the idea is fine: stop giving your data to "AI" companies that keep promising magical capabilities with no real-world data to back it up, and host it yourself.
However, when "AI" is self-hosted, I think the generally negative cost-to-benefit ratio of the whole thing becomes even more apparent, and there's no social media pressure to "just use this model instead, bro, I swear it's better, pinky-promise you're missing out / falling behind / won't get to hang with the cool kids".

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I mean... yeah, this is probably how this madness should have started a couple of years ago, instead of dumping everything into 3rd party "AI" companies, it should have been on-premise and openly developed, but I also think this is too little, too late now.
This won't have a marketing hype machine behind it - which is largely what's still driving the bubble - so I don't know how far this will get.

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Quoting: LoudTechie- also applies to IOT and servers.

This is the funniest part. Whose age should I set on the fridge? Mine, or the yogurt's? 😆

Anyway it's nothing particularly new. When I set up gmail accounts for my kids, I just added 10 years or whatever, so they don't get blocked from accessing stuff and I don't get pestered with requests for permission or whatever. If I installed such age-requiring OS today, I would do the same.

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Why. 🤮

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No. No more.

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Quoting: ScottCarammelllike I said with the california bill, would *love* to see how this would be enforced with open-source software redistributed through a billion different services with no personal ownership by any person or entity

Now I've read the law I know and understand.
It lies in the "let parents decide" part of the "let parents decide" act.
Devices without it can't be sold in the USA.
Also the big maintainers(Linus, KDE, FSF, RHEL, etc) will face pressure to add the feature.
In the end it will become a build option to add and not add this.

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Quoting: GerarderloperThat'll stop those Operating Systems exploiting young children...........................................................................................................................................................🤔

Ahem Windows, but also its a central function of the OS to actively protect against outside threats, so stopping child exploitation prevention is a lot easier to market as an OS feature than for most other things.

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Quoting: Chinstrap Well that's good. The moment I heard the developer went to jail I thought the game had little chance to survive.

Glad I'm wrong.

In jail one has all the time to work on their design and out of jail many opportunities that might've once distracted one from completing the game disappear.
Both, because of parole rules and because of background requirements.

Edit:
This also works in dating.

non-criminal dev: I'm going to slow down my development, because I just started a relationship that deserves my time.
criminal dev: Most potential partners avoid me, because I've been proven to be violent in court, but I still have as much time as in the past, so I'll focus on the activities where people don't have to avoid violent people, since they're unreachable to them.

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Well that's good. The moment I heard the developer went to jail I thought the game had little chance to survive.

Glad I'm wrong.

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Quoting: Phlebiac

Quoting: LoudTechieThere's one thing I hope AI'll bring the ability for non-technical people to check source code for backdoors.

This just results in low quality / incorrect bug reports, wasting the time of whoever has to review them.

You don't report backdoors to reviewers.
They already approved them and thus presumably stand behind them.
You publish them on social media(as demonstrated by the xz-backdoor)
What it can result in is dumb social media discussions about when something is a backdoor.

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My review.
+ Totally implementable.
+ not a giant big tech boon.
+ simple law
- easy to circumvent.
- I don't trust them to not turn this in something problematic.
- also applies to IOT and servers.

This will mostly result in the automation of these cookie banner like age gates.

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Quoting: grigiIt doesn't make sense to have this kind of data attached to a device like a computer. My kids will just as happily use Grans computer (or ours) as the school computer to fiddle around on Scratch for example.

None of the computers are "theirs", they are not the primary users.

In what world do they expect even well off people like us to provision a separate computer for each person? The kids don't need their own thing, they also shouldn't have unfettered access to screens, so they won't get their own system until they can acquire one themselves.

It's not attached to the computer it's attached to the user account(poor FreeBSD doesn't have accounts)

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Quoting: Savor592What if I want to use my device offline? Never connect it to the internet. Old game consoles?

Just this single requirement has already so many problems attached to it.

The law actually doesn't seem to specify being online.
It puts limits on how this data when shared online should be used, but not that it must be shared online.

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Nice thing about these games is that they’re pickup and go.

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This is the "foot in the door". Once the opening is established then we all know what will follow.

Very, very sad and frustrating times lay ahead.

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Big tech will have nigh universal, preemptive permission to assume indemnity because said user claimed to be an adult via operating system attestation. It's for the chiwwwdrin! 🙄

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