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How about instead of complaining that it's broken, get your hands dirty & fix it?

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I think the graphics are a bit ugly. I wish it had Japanese / final fantasy 6 kind of graphics.
I can see ascii appeal, ASCII is pure text, you don't see you just read.
I had and Amiga in the nineties sadly I was not introduced to this kind of game. I was too busy wanking all the time anyway
Looking forward too it.

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This is the lastest publicly available prerelease.

means the next PRE-release will not be public, does not speak about the end version so their indiegogo promise still stands

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Maybe someone can check if the two week limit for offline mode is still active. As of a few months ago people were complaining about this issue. Despite Valve saying offline mode is designed to be perpetual, they also admit offline mode has some bugs. (I'll try and fine the source url where I found this out). I'm not a Steam user so can't test this myself.

It's important to not get caught up in Valve's business practices over whether or not Steam is DRM. With that said, I do have a very strong opinion of the business model; and it's not a favourable one. While the two are integrated, DRM is one aspect of the business model, not the whole. To that end, the forcing of installing the client from physical media does seem to comply with DRM models.
Personally, if all it was was a store front, then I'd have no problem with Steam. I haven't used GOG, but I do buy from Humble and Desura, and both of those services do not require the client run. With Desura the client is optional. With Humble you don't even have to register; email address is sufficient.

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Reading the full article was very insightful.

As it was stated earlier - I think that the discussion is good for Linux and OpenGL. I don't think that OpenGL is broken per se - it's been "good enough" for many games to use it as a secondary or even as primary on Linux/Mac for years.

"We" work hard on these OSS projects so its easy to be emotionally upset when someone takes the time to offer a fresh detailed list of criticism that bother them about OpenGL - we need to remember that everyone including Timothy Lottes want OpenGL to be as kick-ass as possible and view it as constructive criticism which he hopes will give OpenGL the "jolt" it needs to become even better than it already is now.

I support these realistic evaluations of ourselves and our software, it's inevitable that OpenGL overtake DirectX simply because its open source and will be ported to every kind of arch and device anyways.

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This game looks hella fun. Never got into MM but really loved Super Metroid, Super Mario.

This reminds me of that Road Rash successor they're doing. I would love to see a Battle Tankx successor now that we have a Crusin the World successor - `The 90s Arcade Racer` game.

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Oops...:'(

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As I already pointed out elsewhere, the difference this time is that you play the aliens, trying to knock out those lousy humans!

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This is a lot like Alpha Centauri, and as un-Firaxis like as can be. Picking this one up soon!

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Quoting: loggfreaka industry without AMD would be quite horrifying

Yes it would be quite horrifying to have a industry with very little shit linux drivers

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Quoting: FutureSuture

Quoting: FTW

Quoting: Anonymousamd sucks. I hope they go out of business. I really do.

I agree with others, if they go out of bussiness, Nvidia has nothing to worry about, I mean, Intel isn't exactly a beast when it comes to graphics cards.

I say vote with your wallet, don't buy AMD for Linux systems, if the Steam machines kick off they might see that they are loosing some market.

That is the thing, though. I vote with my wallet, and the company I want to vote for is AMD because AMD is the only company to offer an ever improving, gaming capable, open source driver.

lmao you got scammed then. AMD don't bother putting effort into their drivers because they know it cost money PLUS they are just releasing documentation so they don't have to do the open source driver them self

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Quoting: Kurremkarmerruk

Quoting: GuestMeh, I’ve just tried the demo and it’s just another annoying survival/crafting game :(. I wasn’t expecting this based on the trailer.

Name one game remotely similar to this. Also, I am really confused as to how you got the wrong impression from the trailer.

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I think he is referring to Minecraft & Clones.

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Quoting: What the FWhy would someone set payment options via paysafecards set to "my paysafecard" only? Well kills it for me, and I'm gonna wait for a sale.

Huh? That's exactly what Paysafecard is a pre-payment system.

There are multiple payment options including paypal, so I don't get the problem.

Yes, but "my paysafecard" is an additional service from Paysafecard. It's like a wallet or an bank account. At first you have to register and run through an identification process. After that you can top up your account with paysafecard PINs, and pay with just an username/password combo instead of PINs.

I have no clue why the developer has chosen this account option only, instead of PINs or both.

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Ah ADOM, I've been playing it for years and I keep failing. It's a great addition to my Nethack addiction.

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Quoting: a4644246You are saying that technology doesnt mater, but it does matter, very much.

I'm not. I'm saying that game devs who don't fix stuff or don't bother actively contributing fixes upstream (most don't) don't end up providing much benefit to the F/OSS ecosystem.

Quoting: a4644246My approach is healthy for F/LOSS platform it is unhealthy for corporation and developers, and if they dont care about F/LOSS platform I dont care about them.

It's not healthy for F/OSS at all, and it's super disappointing that we have prominent people who're abusive and act like bullies. Elitism breeds exclusivity, which is unsustainable and more or less counter to what makes F/OSS communities and good F/OSS development work.

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Quoting: GuestMeh, I’ve just tried the demo and it’s just another annoying survival/crafting game :(. I wasn’t expecting this based on the trailer.

Name one game remotely similar to this. Also, I am really confused as to how you got the wrong impression from the trailer.

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Quoting: CheesenessHow does anybody but the developer and the game's players benefit from bug reports for closed source proprietary games?

Because games are using bunch of other middle-ware and there is open-source ones and developers should use them. For example, zlib for compression, game use it, it has bug, bug is fixed and everyone who doesnt game can benefit. You are saying that technology doesnt mater, but it does matter, very much. Most developed part of Linux/Liber/OpenSoure are most used, that is how it works, by using eON and wine developers are ignoring FLOSS alternatives and they will stay underdeveloped. And then shit like this happens:
http://www.joshbarczak.com/blog/?p=154
http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2014/05/re-joshua-barczaks-opengl-is-broken.html

D3D had same/similar problems but developers used it so they got polished.

Quoting: CheesenessAlso, what value is there in calling people names? Being misinformed or unclear on something doesn't make a person an idiot. Your post is full of the sort of thing that is unhealthy about the way people have been approaching this situation. I'd suggest following some of Wil Wheaton's advice.

Im not calling names Im just describing my observation. When there is a problem in F/LOSS just ask your self "What will Linus do", he would throw couple of "f*** you"s then said do it right way or GTFO. My approach is healthy for F/LOSS platform it is unhealthy for corporation and developers, and if they dont care about F/LOSS platform I dont care about them.

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Desura is great! But since they have modified their payment options I'm not longer able to buy anything from them. My favourite shop is now: IndieGameStand

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Quoting: What the FWhy would someone set payment options via paysafecards set to "my paysafecard" only? Well kills it for me, and I'm gonna wait for a sale.

Huh? That's exactly what Paysafecard is a pre-payment system.

There are multiple payment options including paypal, so I don't get the problem.

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Why would someone set payment options via paysafecards set to "my paysafecard" only? Well kills it for me, and I'm gonna wait for a sale.

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I must agree with the 2 guests here, go fire up your SNES emulator and play some Mega Man! That's almost like not having played any Mario or Metroid.

Apart from that I have backed the project and I can't wait to play it. Looks pretty good so far :)

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liamdawe: You seem to forget that Microsoft has vendor locked the PC market for over 10 years. So people complaining just don't know any better. How can Id have stayed ahead for nearly 20 years using OpenGL if it was so bad? Why does this guy not complain about console development -> why do consoles still use OpenGL if it was so bad?

So in short, so many people can be wrong.

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Ah missed that part, sorry... So maybe only the ascii version will remain free? Or maybe by ADOM Classic they mean 1.1.1? Now I'm confused as well. ;-) Also I wonder what it is going to be priced on Steam, since they only promised the keys to backers who pledged $40+ :o

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I got a bit confused by the language on their site.

QuoteThe next pre-releases (Prerelease 24 and above) will only be available to people who pledged at least $25 in the ADOM resurrection campaign.

So, it seems this version will forever remain free yes, but future ones are not.

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I played the hell out of ADOM back in the nineties, on my Amiga. Only ascii version was available back then, but it didn't matter a bit. For me it was better than nethack, angband and quite a few others.

As per docs/readme1st.txt contained in the archive, the game still is Postcardware. I sent my postcard some 15 years ago, so my licence should still be valid. ;-) I'm not sure why you are afraid of the downloads to disappear, on the indiegogo page they explicitly say that ADOM will stay free and only the Deluxe version that goes to Steam will be paid:

"ADOM Deluxe will include new challenge games, restorable save files and an extended character generation process allowing you to select from more options. ADOM Classic still will remain free"

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Taking a look doesn't necessarily mean I've come to a conclusion on it all yet, it's just highlighting it.

Edit > That said I've added a final bit.

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It's a pity after saying "... we check it out to see if it's any good" you don't actually tell us if it's any good. Was it fun to play? Did the learning curve on the interface negatively impact your experience? Is having all that reading to do a good or bad thing?

There's really very little to go on there. So...is it any good?

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Wow man.... Megaman is the King of the side scrolling games!!!

Try ZSnes and try Megaman (0 to 9, and X to X3 series).

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a industry without AMD would be quite horrifying
i understand that you guys, from a linux user standpoint, steer away from amd
but from a morality standpoint AMD is the better company out there, by far

just look at their technologies, most amd-technologies are pretty open, and their open-source drivers for linux outperform nvidia's,
amd actually contributes to them, while nvidia's open-source drivers are almost entirely made by the linux comunity,
the first time nvidia contributed to the open source nouveau drivers was a few months ago (source http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/87166-nvidia-eyes-open-source-support-for-k1-graphics)

also if you look from a non linux user standpoint, cuda, physx, gameworks, gsync, are all proprietary and only work on nvidia, physx also works on cpu, but is purposely bricked on it(uses outdated cpu-instructions source http://techreport.com/news/19216/physx-hobbled-on-the-cpu-by-x87-code)

compared to bullet physics, which is open source,freesync, which amd actually pushed as a standard and tressFX, which works on both nvidia and amd, and doesn't suffer on nvidia hardware even though it's amd's technology
nvidia is purposely implementing stuff that run worse on amd harware, just look up 'arkham origins tesselation wireframe' which they implemented in that game since tesselation is amd's main weakness, the ammounts used is beyond reasonable ammounts

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Didn't read all the answer from the Timothy Lottes because it looks highly technical but I got the feeling that we have a former guy from AMD that says the car is broken because there's no fuel in the tank...

Just my impressions... :)

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