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Can you even truly claim it's open source when it's using AI generated code?

That's debatable, open source works because copyright is enforcing the licence. And AI generated content don't have copyright.
So all the AI generated code don't have a licence. That is like having a very permissive licence, like MIT with not even attribution.

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It's too weak. And it doesn't address the elephant in the room, purchases of gems and whatnot for real money. That itself should be at least pegi 12 (and limited items pegi 16). Yes, I don't need to approve any purchase, but kids see it constantly everywhere. It adjusts their brains, considering it normal and expected. It's sick.

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since making the jump to linux a couple years ago i've used lutris and heroic sorta evenly since sometimes one works better than the other ,..this however makes me not really care to use lutris now honestly ,...its not even so much as the fact that they're using AI which i'm not particularly in favor of so much as hiding it is sorta shitty behavior imo.

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but for the Verified status they're expecting 30FPS at 1080p

Oh lord, expect the incoming tidal wave of idiots thinking the Steam Machine will ONLY run games at 1080p 30fps because they don't understand how Valve's verification program works.

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Quoting: eggroleIf the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

LLMs, by definition, model language. They're designed to look right. Whether they are right is purely circumstantial and that requires the code to be deliberately differentiated from written code. It requires greater scrutiny because it hides its mistakes through language that we're susceptible to. It's called the Eliza effect, people have a bad habit of attributing human traits to things.

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The Nuovo Award or Innovation Award is an award given at the Independent Games Festival (IGF), an annual event that takes place during the Game Developers Conference, one of the largest gatherings of the indie video game industry. The award is given to honor "abstract, shortform, and unconventional game development which advances the medium and the way we think about games". The award was designed as a way for art games to compete with traditional indie games.

— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuovo_Award

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So the only thing I had installed with Lutris was the Battle.net launcher. Fortunately there's an article on how to install & run it through STeam directly: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/guides/view/how-to-install-battle-net-on-linux-steamos-and-steam-deck-for-world-of-warcraft-and-starcraft/

Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed Lutris from my computer a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's installed and what is not. Whether or not I use Lutris is not going to change society, this requires changes at a deeper level, and we all know that nothing is going to improve with the current developers.

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Ah, so that explains why Lutris has been such a buggy POS for the past year. I moved over to Heroic for my GOG needs ages ago but its still disappointing to see such a promising project go in this direction.

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I find him using Claude a bit gross, but unfortunately a lot of people do it. Him hiding it is a completely unacceptable response though. 🙄 He should have just closed the issue and moved on instead of reacting childishly. That attitude would be enough to get me to stop using Lutris if it ever worked correctly in the first place. I've never gotten any game to launch properly through one of their configurations. I've had way better luck with Bottles and will be happily using that instead.

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I didn't read any of your opinions yet because I don't want to be influenced in my opinion rn, so here is it (excluding facts like power consumption, contamination, the fact that AI, used in a bad way, make us more stupids...)

As software developer working with "high" tech for give solutions to a non-tech company (we are even "forced" to work with multiple AIs for test how much can they improve our efficiency) I must to says... Yes, AI helps A LOT using it correctly when developing software, but...

I think, having mixed feelings about using it in my work, that right now it is not the moment for using it, or even never... We, as costumers, as people, only can vote with our wallet, our time, and our public opinion. If you, like me, don't agree current situation with AI (companies driven by crazy people destroying everything in their way just for milking money, and using AI in absolutely everything even in your clock alarm, and that kind of stuff you already know) you MUST not use AI at all. This is our way to say "I don't want this. I don't agree with this. Loose a bit of money for change your mind". I, even being "forced" to use it, try to use it less as possible. Can I save 2 months of work with 2 days of using Claude? Yes... Should I? Probably not... And every time my company asks me for feedback, and just say this words I'm writing... It is amazing, it will be much expensive to use, and right know is a tool that people are trying to use like crazy and we must use as less as possible.

In this case, in which Lutris Creator claims AI helped a lot because he has health issues... Maybe you should stop working and pushing to have features in a date you want, instead of in a date you CAN. If you are ok with all the problems and worries that surround AI right now... It is fine, everyone has the right to have their own opinion and their own moral.

For ending:
Humanity doesn't need to be fast and efficient, humanity need to be patient.

... oh, and some people are just not prepared for use certain technologies (just a reminder, nothing related to this directly).

Sorry for my bad english, gonna read your comments.

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You can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

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I am using Lutris since I switched to Linux - not as launcher, but as installer (especially for GOG). For few weeks I got an update message I luckily ignored (hat no reason, because I did not install anything new) and now I will remove Lutris.

Let's say it is okay to use an unethical tool to catch up with work and let's say it is really no slop, because every single line is verified by that person to work as intended, but the worst of all is the reaction here and so I don't accept this project any longer, even if AI will be removed.

Anyway, I don't want to use any kind of unethical AI code, if slop or not does not matter. If the model is trained 100% open source (respecting licenses, all training sources public) and the usage is 100% transparent while we have enough green energy to waste some on huge LLMs, we can talk again about it. I'm not against LLMs in general, but it has to meet the minimum requirements for ethical usage and in additional has to be handled in a trustworthy way.

Right now we are years away and so I am looking for another "game-installer". Is there anything beside Heroic to look at? Would love to have something in Qt-style (as KDE applications).

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Heroic Game Launcher, I choose you!

Lutris Patreon currently has 281 paying members. Well, 280 in a few moments.

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Quoting: eggroleIf the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

Quality of code is only one of the concerns. It being generated using the "Torment Nexus" is other in itself, even if the code was immaculate.

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If the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

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As a father of two very small children I absolutely love this and hope they push it even harder. I have absolutely loved games my entire life. I want my kids too as well. But: I have no patience or tolerance for these predatory parasites that attempt to prey on children with dark patterns and outright gambling.

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Using Generative AI tools to "fix Linux gaming" does not make sense, because Generative AI tools is killing gaming (in Linux and everywhere else) along with many other things, like many tech startups that will have to close because the magnificent 7 are hoarding all resources. And Anthropic is among the culprits here.

He also states the problem is capitalism, but it's difficult imagining this tech would work in a non capitalist heavy scenario, because for models to be effective they have to suck tons and tons of energy and data. Does he want to use AI but not "bad, capitalist AI"? OK, he can buy an RTX6000 Blackwell GPU and train his own model on non copyrighted/licensed code. But good luck getting the GPU at a decent price and getting that model to get the same level of performance as Claude.

He could just said something in the lines "I don't mind ethics, I just want to get things done", and although not OK, that would have been a better response. But his justification does not stand. **There is no ethical use case for Generative AI tech**, because it can only work if you waste enormous amounts of resources and train on tons of copyrighted and licensed work, without giving a shit for that copyright/licenses.

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Well goodbye Lutris!!! I hope you enjoyed your stay in the good graces of the Linux community. It’s over now. Just pack up your things and close the doors. There’s no shortage of alternatives of what you do and saying “I know you guys hate this so I’ll just keep doing it but hide it better” is grade A assholery. No one will miss you.

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I'm seriously mixed on that last one because it'll probably lead to more age verification rubbish and invasive telemetry, but if a halfarsed "block user" button can be added to stop messages from that filters out any messages from the offending user then I'd be fine.

The rest though? That's good.

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The thing I'd like out of PEGI is for them to make it really quick and really cheap to get a PEGI rating. The whole scheme is of limited usefulness when only a tiny fraction of games are ever going to be rated.

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I remember playing the first one quite a bit in the early days! Very entertaining to just hop in. Eventually I felt like I got lost in all the new features and progressions. (Also in between all the bots). Anyone who still plays the first one today? What's it like now?

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And at least I'm not paying Google, Facebook, OpenAI or some company that cooperates with the US army.

But Anthropic is working with the US military, Claude is being used for the war right now...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/us-military-using-ai-help-plan-iran-air-attacks-sources-say-lawmakers-rcna262150

I'm not looking for a political discussion, I'm just pointing out the claim is false.

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"Ooh, look! There's a big pile of money over there, and we're not getting any of it!" --NYAG

By forcing loot boxes into a "gambling" definition, it triggers licensing and taxation requirements that generate state revenue. Raffles are taxed at, say, 3.5% of gross receipts, which would be a nice little earner for the state. Multiply that by the number of states that allow gambling, and that's a lot of hands reaching into Valve's revenue stream. Valve has every reason to fight this silly cash grab.

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Quoting: tmtvlProprietary games using GNU/Linux APIs are bad. For example, Egosoft's X3 uses a GTK2 application to launch and GTK2 is no longer being updated (it's even been removed from the official Arch repositories). Because it's proprietary software the community can't just take it over and update it to use GTK3 or 4.

This is handled by the Steam runtime nowadays if I am correct.

Anyway, I think that instead of just using Windows versions via Proton, we should focus on native apps/games in the long-term. Only that way the compatibility problems can be sorted out and the situation can improve.

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I'm well over 18 and I'm still tempted+annoyed by these limited in-game events. They're toxic design patterns no matter the age.

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Lutris has always been the worst option for people wanting to game on Linux, honestly. It was a great project, that didn't keep up with the times and honestly had a god awful UI and UX.

I used Lutris until I discovered Heroic and haven't looked back. Heroic isn't perfect, but it's developed by people who listen to user feedback and actually made it a pretty good experience (and I believe even have a partnership with GOG!). Lutris dev in my experience look at github issues and around online always seemed a bit caustic to me so I didn't engage much there either.

In a way, sad it's gone this path as it's one less option, but I think there was a track record that showed this could eventually happen.

Hopefully someone will fork it or some more projects pop-up, variety is the spice of life after all.

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My two cents is that the feedback is a bit harsh.

When you think about it, what is the overlap between those objecting on AI for copyright reasons and those downloading roms or pirated games, seems to me that’s not a strong argument?

The ai models in question have been trained on existing works but nothing precludes using models trained on permissible works, these are already being developed (maybe available), so let’s push for better training ethics instead?

The energy argument is an argument for renewable energy, there is enough to power the world, I can find some links, we should push for energy ethics?

Code quality standards and checks don’t change just because of who or what wrote the code so are folks unhappy with the bugginess of the project?

Otherwise I think there is a reasonable argument to make that the dev needs more coding resource than the community provides. Think people can disagree with that and support the project but just because ai is used in a process doesn’t mean vibe coded slop, the dev clearly understands the codebase so can safeguard code quality.

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To those uninstalling Lutris, come over to bottles! Its okay-ish, needs work, but I've gotten to play several games, use their archive backup function to move and restore games offline as well. (And I hope doesn't also have the AI problem)

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Oh no, the download button and shell script wrapper can no longer be trusted to handle my login credentials, if only there was something I could do about it, like, say, just not use it.

On a more serious note, I have not found myself using Lutris or tools like it (Heroic) in ages. As a library to launch titles from they don't work for me because the design does not suit my taste (trying really hard not to be mean to people who like to have their entire screen being taken up by rounded corners here). As a place to download the installers through they don't work for me because my accounts keep being logged out. As a tool to handle the configuration to make a game actually playable they don't work for me because the scripts, if present at all, keep being outdated or specific to some hard- or software I don't have -> simply don't work. As a tool to manage Linux native games they add no value for me as I still have to manually reinstall dependencies after a SteamOS update. And finally, even the add to Steam button doesn't work reliably.

More trouble than it's worth. Also grrrrr, AI!

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Hope this project sinks completely because of this.

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