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Quoting: ZlopezI think the lootboxes wouldn't be issue at all if you always get things in value of the price of opening lootbox. This is how plenty of mystery boxes are working (with exception of trading cards, as the amount of some cards is scarce by design). If you just have same amount of all the items of same rarity tier and have set value for them it would not be gambling as you will always get the value you paid for.

Welllll . . . the things in Valve lootboxes, being cosmetic, are all essentially worth nothing. But since they tell you that up front, they are certainly all worth exactly what they told you they were worth, and all worth the same. Nobody really has a complaint coming when they open a Valve lootbox and get something worthless; "worthless thing inside" was effectively what it said on the tin. 😝

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Quoting: EWGEspecially good for books, CDs, DVDs/Blu-Rays if you ask me.

No, nope, definitely not. Clearly asking you would be, in my case, a terrible idea. I'm picky. Random books, CDs, DVDs would almost all be worth zero to me. Less than zero, because they would take up bookshelf space and I'm running out already. So yeah, I wouldn't take mystery random boxes of that kind of thing if you offered them to me for free.

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Quoting: dpanterYou can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

Damnit 😳

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Quoting: GustyGhostOne thing I've learned is that the masses will always make the wrong choice. Large populations of humans do not make decisions that collectively help the best interests of themselves or others.

I think that's a very anti-democratic stance to take.
I argue that people do tend to make the right choice, so long as they are informed and not under duress. The problem is that people are subject to a great deal of propaganda and hardship to keep them from making better choices.

I have friends who want to switch to things like Linux who are just so burnt out that they don't have the mental energy to make the change. Even if it turned out to be easy for them, making that choice and starting the process of doing that is not nothing.

The world would be a better place if everyone had access to good journalism, healthcare, and a full night of sleep.

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The big problem here is not so much whether AI was being used for it, but that the AI contributions are being hidden when there's feedback on it.

If it wasn't, then anyone could have forked the project if they didn't want to use the AI contributions.

The forked project could then just weed out the AI contributions in a simple manner without having to go through the code line-by-line to hopefully spot whatever vulnerabilities or bugs the AI might have added.

Start fresh with just the human-made code and fix whatever was wrong with that.

Wherever the rights of AI or projects using AI end up at, it would have secured the potential for a project like Lutris to exist without it.

Lutris' maintainers could have just said "Yep, we're using AI. Fork it if you're not happy with it."

Done.

No knee-jerk reaction. They could have kept up complaining about not having enough contributors as they have for years now.

It's the assholery of it which is egregious and a point of concern for many beyond the use of AI.

Having said that, I vehemetly disagree with the use of AI for any FOSS projects. Please keep it far away from me.

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Honestly, I would have accepted his argument if he didn't decide to hide it.
I definitely get too much secondhand propaganda due to a family member in enterprise software, but the quote (emphasized bit aside) seems broadly correct to me.

I still hate generative AI, it's still seemingly the culprit behind half of every problem I see in the world. I do at least understand the perspective of people who are trying to make the best of it.

And, sort of relevant to all of us is that Linus Torvalds seems to at least selectively approve of AI tools, even though he also condemns slop, etc. Not saying how anyone should feel about that, but I feel it bears acknowledging in this context.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: CaldathrasInteresting. I was forced to 580 from the 550 series. Wasn't given a choice. Based on the link below, Nvidia no longer supports the 550 series, by the way:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

To do that I had to drop my kernel to 6.14 (which is now also unsupported I think) and remove one line from the code. But any drive above that messes up my VR (among other things), so it has to be done.

hey man, I'm trying since weeks to get back to 565 from currently 580
It updated automatically and it seems like I have no choice or way back....

I'm on POP OS (No wayland) and kernel 6.17.9-76061709-generic

Is there actually a way to get back to 565.77? Can you please tell me how?

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Quoting: ShadowXeldronprobably lead to more age verification rubbish

Not really. Just include a blacklist and report-system in your game and you are fine, otherwise game 18+. What I worry more about: does it apply to all online games, even those which you only play with friends via internet-connection? It would be stupid to make a 7+ game 18+, just for a chat that is meant to communicate with known friends. But I am not entirely sure if such games are included.

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Surprised that I played nearly ten hours of the first one. I remember enjoying it, but it looks like this was back in 2017, and I didn't have much of an online cadre of pals back then, so the lure wasn't really there.

Love the look of this. Definitely going on the wishlist!

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Quoting: BladePupperThe cards you get are used to play the actual game whereas the skins from say CS2 are basically only used to cash in and maybe pay for a steam game.

Agree with most of your post except this bit. MtG packs are not "necessary" to play the game. You buy the base pack and you're good to go. Then every pack you buy afterwards is a lottery. The only difference is that, yes, MtG cards influence play, while Valve's lootboxes tend to focus on cosmetics.

But I don't think that's actually relevant. It's still a loot box at the end of the day, so I think they're right to point it out.

Also, I don't think Valve was entirely positioning it as "they're doing it, so we can too", it was more just pointing out the inconsistency of how gambling laws are applied.

I didn't know about the Chinese law requiring odds to be displayed. That's awesome.

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Every extra person using all these AI tools is only adding to the issue.

The more abstraction exists between the problem and those perpetuating it, the less likely you will be able to get the average person to recognize the problem. Less even to understand it.

It is exactly the same kind of issue we've been fighting in the OS space "Every extra person using [Windows] is only adding to the issue." When people use something, anything, it legitimizes it.

One thing I've learned is that the masses will always make the wrong choice. Large populations of humans do not make decisions that collectively help the best interests of themselves or others.

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The AG makes a bad argument and fills it with two very stupid things. First is that valve needs to do more to verify age even on accounts that buy games which already in needs a form of payment that requires you to be 18 anyway at least in the Midwest in USA. That helps no one and does nothing, if that is to stop kids from gambling then all it does it try to enter more adults into these mass surveillance databases and that can go to hell.
Second is the Jack Thompson tired, brutally beaten, dead horse of "video games cause real world violence" which like what is the strategy here? Sin tax on video games with "too much violence"? I have no idea what else you could have or maybe the Japanese video game censorship of adding a mosaic to anything that is "too violent". Odd and bad idea right from the start. To me, that gives me the impression that this is not in good faith and then sprinkling in some "video games and their platforms need to be part of our mass surveillance network" makes that seems more clear to me.

Valve follows up a sloppy argument with an equally sloppy argument, garbage in garbage out. Mentioning trading cards only further proves that USA needs that law that China has where they require the odds for things like that and lootboxes to be shown to the user such as printing the odds on the card booster packs and boxes. It also follows into the argument of "if they're doing it then I should be allowed to do it too" which is just bad reasoning. The cards you get are used to play the actual game whereas the skins from say CS2 are basically only used to cash in and maybe pay for a steam game. They don't really do anything and could easily be removed without changing game balance or core mechanics unless valve would like to claim that lootboxes are a core component of counter strike. If lootboxes aren't going to go away then yes, they should be showing the odds of them and maybe should require a steam account that has made at least one purchase to verify age.

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It's amusing the vocal virtue signalling by those that barely contribute anything to Lutris :D

Author rebuttal is blunt? possibly bit having tk deal with all this "want want want complain want" must be exhausting AF...

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I tend to be purely pragmatic in open source software. I just take what works and is safe, no emotions, no politics.

The sentiment shared by the developer at the end of his response I find highly concerning and as such I think I'm going to uninstall Lutris. The concept of hiding stuff in what's supposedly an open and transparent environment is making me lose trust in the program.

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Quoting: federico_cba

Quoting: scaine"I'm doing a thing people hate, so instead of not doing that, I'll continue to do it, but hide it better"

That's a bold position to take in any project, let alone a FOSS project. And just because he can use it in non-slop manner (maybe? hopefully?) it doesn't absolve him of the ethical concerns many of us have about genAI.

You can use in a non-slop way, carefully reviewing the generated code and making adjustments and refactors. Something that he can do as an experienced developer. It would be different if he was blindly accepting the AI generated code.

Here's a counterpoint that I found to be a really interesting read:

https://blog.glyph.im/2026/03/what-is-code-review-for.html

But I do agree with you somewhat. If you're a truly excellent, experienced developer, then you might be able to use genAI in a non-slop way - keep the generated code to snippets and run extensive unit/UI tests on the outputs, etc. But if you're that experienced, you probably rarely need to lean on genAI in the first place.

And running all those unit/UI tests for the generated code will probably mean that, overall, you haven't saved any time anyway. Which is what they found in this study a year ago.

https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/

Maybe (probably even) genAI code is much better than it was a year ago? But still, ethically bereft nonetheless.

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Can you even truly claim it's open source when it's using AI generated code?

That's debatable, open source works because copyright is enforcing the licence. And AI generated content don't have copyright.
So all the AI generated code don't have a licence. That is like having a very permissive licence, like MIT with not even attribution.

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It's too weak. And it doesn't address the elephant in the room, purchases of gems and whatnot for real money. That itself should be at least pegi 12 (and limited items pegi 16). Yes, I don't need to approve any purchase, but kids see it constantly everywhere. It adjusts their brains, considering it normal and expected. It's sick.

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since making the jump to linux a couple years ago i've used lutris and heroic sorta evenly since sometimes one works better than the other ,..this however makes me not really care to use lutris now honestly ,...its not even so much as the fact that they're using AI which i'm not particularly in favor of so much as hiding it is sorta shitty behavior imo.

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but for the Verified status they're expecting 30FPS at 1080p

Oh lord, expect the incoming tidal wave of idiots thinking the Steam Machine will ONLY run games at 1080p 30fps because they don't understand how Valve's verification program works.

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Quoting: eggroleIf the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

LLMs, by definition, model language. They're designed to look right. Whether they are right is purely circumstantial and that requires the code to be deliberately differentiated from written code. It requires greater scrutiny because it hides its mistakes through language that we're susceptible to. It's called the Eliza effect, people have a bad habit of attributing human traits to things.

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The Nuovo Award or Innovation Award is an award given at the Independent Games Festival (IGF), an annual event that takes place during the Game Developers Conference, one of the largest gatherings of the indie video game industry. The award is given to honor "abstract, shortform, and unconventional game development which advances the medium and the way we think about games". The award was designed as a way for art games to compete with traditional indie games.

— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuovo_Award

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So the only thing I had installed with Lutris was the Battle.net launcher. Fortunately there's an article on how to install & run it through STeam directly: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/guides/view/how-to-install-battle-net-on-linux-steamos-and-steam-deck-for-world-of-warcraft-and-starcraft/

Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed Lutris from my computer a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's installed and what is not. Whether or not I use Lutris is not going to change society, this requires changes at a deeper level, and we all know that nothing is going to improve with the current developers.

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Ah, so that explains why Lutris has been such a buggy POS for the past year. I moved over to Heroic for my GOG needs ages ago but its still disappointing to see such a promising project go in this direction.

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I find him using Claude a bit gross, but unfortunately a lot of people do it. Him hiding it is a completely unacceptable response though. 🙄 He should have just closed the issue and moved on instead of reacting childishly. That attitude would be enough to get me to stop using Lutris if it ever worked correctly in the first place. I've never gotten any game to launch properly through one of their configurations. I've had way better luck with Bottles and will be happily using that instead.

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I didn't read any of your opinions yet because I don't want to be influenced in my opinion rn, so here is it (excluding facts like power consumption, contamination, the fact that AI, used in a bad way, make us more stupids...)

As software developer working with "high" tech for give solutions to a non-tech company (we are even "forced" to work with multiple AIs for test how much can they improve our efficiency) I must to says... Yes, AI helps A LOT using it correctly when developing software, but...

I think, having mixed feelings about using it in my work, that right now it is not the moment for using it, or even never... We, as costumers, as people, only can vote with our wallet, our time, and our public opinion. If you, like me, don't agree current situation with AI (companies driven by crazy people destroying everything in their way just for milking money, and using AI in absolutely everything even in your clock alarm, and that kind of stuff you already know) you MUST not use AI at all. This is our way to say "I don't want this. I don't agree with this. Loose a bit of money for change your mind". I, even being "forced" to use it, try to use it less as possible. Can I save 2 months of work with 2 days of using Claude? Yes... Should I? Probably not... And every time my company asks me for feedback, and just say this words I'm writing... It is amazing, it will be much expensive to use, and right know is a tool that people are trying to use like crazy and we must use as less as possible.

In this case, in which Lutris Creator claims AI helped a lot because he has health issues... Maybe you should stop working and pushing to have features in a date you want, instead of in a date you CAN. If you are ok with all the problems and worries that surround AI right now... It is fine, everyone has the right to have their own opinion and their own moral.

For ending:
Humanity doesn't need to be fast and efficient, humanity need to be patient.

... oh, and some people are just not prepared for use certain technologies (just a reminder, nothing related to this directly).

Sorry for my bad english, gonna read your comments.

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You can also elect to not watch the trailer and be better off. Trust me.

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I am using Lutris since I switched to Linux - not as launcher, but as installer (especially for GOG). For few weeks I got an update message I luckily ignored (hat no reason, because I did not install anything new) and now I will remove Lutris.

Let's say it is okay to use an unethical tool to catch up with work and let's say it is really no slop, because every single line is verified by that person to work as intended, but the worst of all is the reaction here and so I don't accept this project any longer, even if AI will be removed.

Anyway, I don't want to use any kind of unethical AI code, if slop or not does not matter. If the model is trained 100% open source (respecting licenses, all training sources public) and the usage is 100% transparent while we have enough green energy to waste some on huge LLMs, we can talk again about it. I'm not against LLMs in general, but it has to meet the minimum requirements for ethical usage and in additional has to be handled in a trustworthy way.

Right now we are years away and so I am looking for another "game-installer". Is there anything beside Heroic to look at? Would love to have something in Qt-style (as KDE applications).

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Heroic Game Launcher, I choose you!

Lutris Patreon currently has 281 paying members. Well, 280 in a few moments.

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Quoting: eggroleIf the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

Quality of code is only one of the concerns. It being generated using the "Torment Nexus" is other in itself, even if the code was immaculate.

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If the AI generated code can't be found without labelling it, what is the problem?

If the code was crap or buggy and you could reasonably sniff it out that would make sense. But if the only way for you to tell if it is AI generated is the person behind it announces it, then the AI code is literally indistinguishable from the human generated code.

If he never labeled the stuff in the first place, no one would have ever noticed or cared.

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