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Quoting: Kimyrielle

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Quoting: KimyrielleIt's perfectly fine to be against AI. But these people behave like a vicious lynch mob who go after anyone who disagrees with them. I lost respect for the anti-AI crowd a while ago, when vitriol and hate took the place of logic and reason.

And who or what is being lynched so viciously by this supposed mob? A corporation's bottom line? A CEO's quarterly bonus? They've made tens of millions with the game already, they'll be fine.

Try using less emotional language if you want to accuse others of abandoning logic and reason. Until then, I find it very difficult to respect your hot take.

You know, when other people decide to use a technology you don't agree with, in most cases, you have a right to STFU and respect their choice, even if you don't like it.

Oh did you feel disrespected? I'm sure people who protest with pretty much the only tools they have at their disposal also feel disrespected when they're called a vicious lynch mob. When you pretty much call them stupid and ignorant. You might seriously want to think about the language you use if you want to be taken seriously and not seem like a total hypocrite.

And no, I've never taken part in review bombing so I'm not taking this personally. I do strongly dislike the way generative LLMs are marketed and used currently, but that's mostly based on my professional experience, and also based on my personal respect for human beings, human made art, human artists and developers, and of course the environment.

Quoting: KimyrielleYou dislike AI? Don't use it! Don't buy products using it. Write essays why you feel it's bad. Or take your protest to the corporations that make money with it. That's all fair game. What's NOT fair game is review-bombing a game that isn't even using AI, trying to destroy the livelihood of the people that made it. Because that's what review-bombing is trying to do - hitting their bottom line.

First of all, AI tech already hits people's "bottom lines" way harder than any review bomb ever could. And secondly, most people working in software are not given a choice and are pretty much forced to work with LLMs if they want to keep their jobs. In fact, this is the first time I can remember that domain experts and entire tech (and art) departments are overridden by top management on the tools they use to do their work.

Protesting against corporations is obviously only effective if it hurts their bottom lines, so that's pretty much the point. No protest is ever effective if it doesn't cause disruption and inconvenience (or loss of revenue) to the ones being protested. Remember, these are all paying customers. They've already bought the game or they couldn't leave a review on Steam. They can't protest by not buying the game because they've already done it. But of course they could go write essays for these corporations to ignore. That'll show them.

Quoting: KimyrielleThat's the entire point the poster I quoted made, and I happened (and still do) to agree with. Apparently that nuance is/was lost on you. Then I again, there is a reason why I came to the conclusion that AI-haters suck at logic. Your posting is actually just proving my point.

There was no nuance in your post. It was pure hyperbole and loaded language. You label anyone with a grievance against generative LLMs as "AI-haters" and ignore everything they say. Possibly because you've got a dog in the race? Don't answer that, it's pure speculation. I just don't understand why you feel attacked when a Chinese corporation feels consequences for their incompetent marketing.

This is a corporation that made a stupid choice and is now feeling the effects of that choice. (Not even an indie dev who simply abandoned all societal and environmental concerns, along with their artistic integrity, in the hopes of an easier way to make cash, just because they feel entitled to it.)

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Quoting: scaineJust another hammer - small catch, every time you use it, someone dies. But yeah, it's just another tool. Would you use that hammer?

I hate to say that I think many people would actually still use that hammer if hey deemed it better than other hammers. Does the fact that lithium mine workers have a high mortality rate deter us from using cellphones? Does the fact that microplastic is silently turning oceans into deserts and probably give us all kinds of cancer deter us from buying stuff in plastic wrapping? Every day we make choices that are killing someone somewhere and while some choices have more direct consequences (e.g. speeding through the city or running the red light), some others are completely disconnected and comfortable to ignore. You probably wouldn't use that hammer if one of your family members or neighbours would die, but a random one of 8B people?

Ursula LeGuin explored this topic in "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" and I don't think much has changed in the last fifty years. Shirley Jackson in "The Lottery" suggests that even if the sacrifice wasn't anonymous, we'd still be willing to make it if it assured our collective well-being, but I'm not so sure of that - I mean, why would we sacrifice one of ours if we could sacrifice two (or five) from the other end of the world instead, right?

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Quoting: Savor592I can't stand the crap made with it.

Well, then it appears to me that you *do* have a sense of aesthetics. ;-)

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Speaking of the controller: is it normal to take that long to ship? My delivery process of the Steam Controller is still stuck at "packaged"...

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI wouldn't be trying to find the bleeding edge packages all the time.

I remember back in those days using Ximian's "rug" aka "red carpet" for installing their bleeding edge GNOME-centric packages. Ximian got bought by Novell, eventually became Xamarin and made Mono, and nowadays they manage .NET at Microsoft. Crazy how the guy who made a little spreadsheet app called Gnumeric ended up with that career path.

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Quoting: PhlebiacNot sure what the timeline was for other package formats, but Yellow Dog fixed this for RPM with yum - in 2003, according to Wikipedia.

Maybe, but as I recall, Yellow Dog was specialized for Mac hardware!

Sure, but yum was not restricted to Yellow Dog Linux. It's "Y"ellowdog "U"pdater "M"odified to work on other systems. The YellowDog predecessor came a few years earlier (see Wikipedia). Nowadays, yum has been replaced with dnf, but it had a long run.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyDependency. Hell.

Not sure what the timeline was for other package formats, but Yellow Dog fixed this for RPM with yum - in 2003, according to Wikipedia.

Maybe, but as I recall, Yellow Dog was specialized for Mac hardware! Which I didn't have any of. And Debian had it beat, but you'd have to figure out how to install and use 2000s era Debian. At a certain point Mandrake came up with urpmi and that was a big help.
And the thing is, in those days the software ecosystem was pretty bad, so you were always trying to grab the very latest version of, say, abiword or whatever, in hopes that would fix some of your problems. Nowadays pretty much all the software is just fine so even if it was still hard to install, it wouldn't be as big a deal because at least I wouldn't be trying to find the bleeding edge packages all the time.

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Quoting: F.Ultrayou cannot write "HDMI compatible" without using the words "HDMI"

That is generally protected, and not a trademark violation. "This ointment is Band-Aid compatible" isn't that different from "this cable is HDMI compatible". No one thinks the ointment is made by Band-Aid, just that they work together just fine.

Consumers generally don't care about official licensing, as long as it works correctly. Surely you are familiar with the inkjet printer racket? Less expensive ink cartridges are compatible with the brand name printers.

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Quoting: pbYou and all of the people who have a sense of aesthetics, Mr Hudson.

Now don't be so harsh. I have no sense of aesthetics whatsoever and still wish GenAI would just vanish from reality as I can't stand the crap made with it.

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Quoting: scaineJust another hammer - small catch, every time you use it, someone dies. But yeah, it's just another tool. Would you use that hammer?

*yes, that's an exaggeration, but it feels like absurd arguments like that are the only way to land the point in the face of tech-bro'ism these days.

not at all, people losing their jobs and not being able to find another one, might mean people will die.

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This might be the closest to a single-player digital adaptation of the board game that we'll ever see. I played the demo for what felt like a few minutes, but turned out to be over an hour. I think I'll end up grabbing it sooner than later.

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"Our original goal was to lower the barrier to creation. In past contests, we saw players with great ideas and scripts who couldn’t fully bring them to life because they weren’t familiar with tools like editing, modeling, or animation software. We hoped AI could be a more accessible tool that lets more people take part."

sigh, what happened to literature? have anyone there ever read an book? if they want to include people who dont know how to use editing software, modeling, animating etc, why not make an category "best idea" and other "best execution" ?

serious, are people that dense?

"To us, AI is just another tool. What we truly care about is the idea, the expression, and the final work."

speaking of not knowing how to read the room, they dont know how to read the room?
just an tool? they mean an plagiarism machine that create a bunch of slop without an soul?
they literally doubled down on it by simplifing it to "just a tool" as if there was no difference for other tools.

caring about the "final work", as if the effort the artists put into it were meaningless.
an good drawing is the personification of the effort an artist put into learning how to draw and drawing an specific piece of work, not just one "hey, look, it looks cool right?" content.
hell i hate the world content.

future generations who grow up with ai, will never understand what is looking at an piece of art and geting inspired, desiring to be as good as the artist one day and actually puting the effort into it.

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Wonder how well this will work compared to RDNA4 cards. Hopefully we get some decent comparisons.
Not expecting it to be better then what the open community has already figured out, but you never know I guess..

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Quoting: PhlebiacSounds like an invitation for a new variant of Rickroll.

Yeah, I kinda set myself up for this. :P

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Quoting: PlayingOnLinuxphoneI know you did not quote me, but:

Quoting: KimyrielleYou know, when other people decide to use a technology you don't agree with, in most cases, you have a right to STFU and respect their choice, even if you don't like it. You dislike AI? Don't use it!

What a joke! Even if someone does not use LLMs, they still have to pay the price, as all of us. As told above via environmental costs, some living close to new mega data centers increasing their power bills a lot, others cannot buy any longer 16 gigs of RAM and if I have to research 3 times as much as in pre-LLM-times and sell my product, my customers have to pay for the additional time, no matter if they use LLM or not. And who pays for all the copyright holders which works are stolen?

To turn your own words against you: If you want to use LLMs, don't put the costs onto all of us and future generations and pay the whole bill yourself (including paying for work that is part of the LLM archiv). Respect their choices and don't put slop everywhere under their noses. If you do so, no one will complain any longer. But I bet, that claim of "respect" is a one way ticket...

I am not going to dissect that drivel, but what part of

What's NOT fair game is review-bombing a game that isn't even using AI,

is so hard to understand, really? All of it?

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Quoting: ahjolinnaAI isnt going anywhere ...

Neither is chlamydia, and I ain't inviting that in my life either.

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Quoting: geckofish52Hoping the big picture overlay stops being so laggy. I'm on KDE Plasma CachyOS

It's web tech, so unfortunately it's always going to be laggy or stuttery, sometimes even on obscenely powerful hardware. I doubt they'll ever rewrite it in Qt Quick for example, which could actually be smooth, native, and efficient, with better battery life.

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Quoting: F.UltraPayment was never the issue though and AMD is and have been for years a HDMI licensee. There is nothing with these patches that would or could make HDMI Forum not get payed exactly what they where payed before.

I think the logic (from an artificial scarcity hoarding viewpoint) was that if they didn't keep the spec super secret, companies could just make stuff without giving them money. Which they didn't like the sound of. But, as you say, you still need to give them money (and AMD did) for the compliance tests and the sticker, and that's where the prestige is. "Proper" hardware companies will still give them money to remain "proper," and fly-by-night won't-conform-to-the-spec companies weren't going to give them money either way.

But companies making stuff without giving them money would be breaking trademark law and thus open to be sued by HDMI Forum, aka the reason that you pay for the specs is not to get access to the specs but to be allowed to sell products labelled with HDMI. And the fee for the specs are minuscule, only $10k per year (or $5k for low volume manufacturers), the real money is the per sold item royalty (up to $0.2 for high volume and flat $1 for low volume) since that times millions of devices per year adds up quite significantly.

And fly-by-night would not be affected by open drivers since they already have the specs (they are ofc widely spread in China for free). But I guess that some of the members where afraid of that and others have now countered, we simply don't know who it was since all 80+ companies have voting rights (and their votes are not made public).

Trademark law is weak compared to what the HDMI forum wields to keep others from releasing HDMI compatible stuff.
I'm talking copyright, contract law and patent.

No it is only trademark, there is nothing to copyright (aka you releasing a HDMI product that is not licensed cannot breach copyright) and the patents in HDMI only covers things like how cables and connectors are constructed not the things that the driver implements. And trademark is not weak here since if you want to sell a cable the end user wants to know that it is HDMI compatible so you have to mark it as HDMI somewhere and the second you do without a license then you are breaching trademark.

If its based on existing HDMI work it can break copyright and patents can still be wielded.
Trademark is weak, because its legal coverage much more limited and its punishments are much less bad.
For trademark the infringed party needs to proof the trademark infringement is misleading to consumers and you can't use it to get an existing product from the market, just its marketing.
Also dodging trademark can sometimes be as easy as not describing your product as "HDMI", but "HDMI compatible" or simply using the same shape as HDMI for your port.

There are no patents covering the parts that the driver is implementing, but pretending that there are I don't see the reason for your argument since that would still make open vs closed drivers a non issue for HDMI Forum since had it been covered by a patent then they would have even less to worry about.

Trademark is much stronger than what you believe, since they have registered HDMI as a trademark that will cover every single rewrite in that you cannot write "HDMI compatible" without using the words "HDMI". Also the "misleading" term will apply to every single item sold for video and audio usage since that is the very market where HDMI is registered.

Aka the "it did not mislead" only applies when you have Apple the Phone/Computer/Music company vs Grannies Apples that sells apples. The moment Granny tries to sell Cellphones, maskOS computers or music then she it cooked and will get sued out of oblivion.

E.g Microsoft is routinely using trademark to win over domains from scam companies and cybersquatters.

Many believe trademark to be weak because you can loose your trademark if you #1 don't protect it vigilantly (as compared with patents and copyright that you never can loose due to being passive) and #2 that you can loose it if the term becomes generic (which HDMI have no risk of since no one uses the term HDMI to refer to anything other than the actual HDMI connector).

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wilhelm scream doesn't bother me in film/tv (even though I do notice it) but omg if you bring babyshark into my house I will put you on a ship straight into the core of the sun. It's strictly banned in this house but even still sometimes it creeps in when my 3 yr old has friends over or we have a random sitter we hardly ever use, stuff like that. Sends me into instant ragemode.

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I know you did not quote me, but:

Quoting: KimyrielleYou know, when other people decide to use a technology you don't agree with, in most cases, you have a right to STFU and respect their choice, even if you don't like it. You dislike AI? Don't use it!

What a joke! Even if someone does not use LLMs, they still have to pay the price, as all of us. As told above via environmental costs, some living close to new mega data centers increasing their power bills a lot, others cannot buy any longer 16 gigs of RAM and if I have to research 3 times as much as in pre-LLM-times and sell my product, my customers have to pay for the additional time, no matter if they use LLM or not. And who pays for all the copyright holders which works are stolen?

To turn your own words against you: If you want to use LLMs, don't put the costs onto all of us and future generations and pay the whole bill yourself (including paying for work that is part of the LLM archiv). Respect their choices and don't put slop everywhere under their noses. If you do so, no one will complain any longer. But I bet, that claim of "respect" is a one way ticket...

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Quoting: ahjolinnaAI isnt going anywhere as much as these anti-AI people would love to, its like thinking in the 90's that internet will go away.

It probably is, whether anti-AI or pro-AI people want it to or not. Not entirely, but the big AI companies responsible for most of the current use and nearly all the current hype are losing money at high speed; when they go bankrupt they will no longer be offering their current services.
Some of the cheaper Chinese stuff will still be around, I expect.

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Quoting: Cyba.Cowboydevelopers and PlayStation alike have shown very little interest in it.

I guess it's a question of catching the fad at the right time. Remember PlayStation Move, when they needed to compete with Wii's sudden popularity?

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Quoting: Renzatic GearI still haven't heard Baby Shark, even after all these years.

Sounds like an invitation for a new variant of Rickroll.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyDependency. Hell.

Not sure what the timeline was for other package formats, but Yellow Dog fixed this for RPM with yum - in 2003, according to Wikipedia.

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May Talos guide you... Wait, wrong game. :P

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AI isnt going anywhere as much as these anti-AI people would love to, its like thinking in the 90's that internet will go away.

all this review bombing studios just mentioning of AI will just make them just hide their usage of AI

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Quoting: KimyrielleIt's perfectly fine to be against AI. But these people behave like a vicious lynch mob who go after anyone who disagrees with them. I lost respect for the anti-AI crowd a while ago, when vitriol and hate took the place of logic and reason.

And who or what is being lynched so viciously by this supposed mob? A corporation's bottom line? A CEO's quarterly bonus? They've made tens of millions with the game already, they'll be fine.

Try using less emotional language if you want to accuse others of abandoning logic and reason. Until then, I find it very difficult to respect your hot take.

You know, when other people decide to use a technology you don't agree with, in most cases, you have a right to STFU and respect their choice, even if you don't like it. You dislike AI? Don't use it! Don't buy products using it. Write essays why you feel it's bad. Or take your protest to the corporations that make money with it. That's all fair game. What's NOT fair game is review-bombing a game that isn't even using AI, trying to destroy the livelihood of the people that made it. Because that's what review-bombing is trying to do - hitting their bottom line. That's the entire point the poster I quoted made, and I happened (and still do) to agree with. Apparently that nuance is/was lost on you. Then I again, there is a reason why I came to the conclusion that AI-haters suck at logic. Your posting is actually just proving my point.

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I only recently bought and played through Talos 2, and actually found it slightly easier than the original. I'll need to grab the DLC at some point.

I enjoyed both games a lot. Looking forward to part three.

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HOLY GUACAMOLE I had lost hope

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Hoping the big picture overlay stops being so laggy. I'm on KDE Plasma CachyOS

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