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*Cries in Kepler GPU*

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More collaboration in open-source is always welcome.

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Vibe-coded GOG Galaxy client for Linux coming soon?

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Quoting: Stella

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

Flatpak launchers have many issues including gamescope/scopebuddy not working and using their own outdated Mesa, as well as being affected by the Nvidia Flatpak driver issues, this is why a built in launcher is greatly preferred

Uhm, no. Gamescope works fine here. I mean there's literally an up-to-date Gamescope runtime which just maps into every flatpaks supporting it. But also why then not shipping just Gamescope outside of flatpak? Gamemode works the same way. Installed on the host and everything flatpak can use gamemoderun just fine.

What NVIDIA flatpak driver issue? Do I live in a parallel universe? Zero issue with flatpaks and NVIDIA drivers here. They just work. (Well despite the usual NVIDIA stuff you have regardless)

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Quoting: CaldathrasAnd I've been holding off on 580.126.09 because someone here mentioned problems with XFCE.

Yes it was me I think. Screen flickering in Xfce and Cinnamon. To fix screen flickering, make sure you setup composition pipeline in Nvidia Settings.
Next put this command into your terminal and reboot.
xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/vblank_mode -s off
What this command does is switch off vblank in Xfwm4.
That is why the screen and opened apps start flickering, vblank needs to be switched off. Once rebooted Flickering gone forever.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman

Quoting: PaldinoXWhats wrong with Fedora?

Quoting: AsciiWolfWhy? Fedora is one of the best polished and easy to use distros nowadays.

The better question is, what is not wrong with Fedora. But also I am not willing to discuss this with random strangers in the GoL comments section. Sounds like a waste of effort.

That's real bitter, man.

I actually laughed at this one more than I probably should 😅

Usually I get "Username checks out" and the likes. This one is pure comedy gold. Thank you!

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Quoting: fenglengshun

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

The issue with Lutris is that, as far as I'm aware, there are still things that don't work as well with its Flatpak version vs Native version. The one thing that I recall was that Steam can't control / monitor the run status of games run by Flatpak Lutris - which could be an issue for a distro where user is expected to be on Steam's Game Mode a lot of the times.

For a distro based on Fedora Atomic that is meant to be as battery-included (ready-to-use) as possible, it does need to include a lot of things. This is their goal - and for the most part the issue has been the sheer amount of devices they support.

Which is where kernel is an issue. I used NixOS with nix-cachyos-kernel flake. Even with THAT there are still a number of things that don't work and performance was garbage (it was already garbage with the default kernel tbh). And that's with a kernel based on the distro that is most focused on performance. As soon as I actually switched to CachyOS itself, everything becomes so much faster. Even back on Bazzite, I've had days where after a while my ROG Ally slows down and I need to restart - something which hasn't been an issue with CachyOS as I left it for the past few days to sync files from my server and download my games from Steam. At the same time, Bazzite also did some work with HHD which requires working some custom kernel and config stuff - those are getting semi-abandoned, but not fully as they do want to bring things like ROG/View Button Switching even after the InputPlumber migration.

At the same time, these are versions of the kernel for specific usecase. Linux is still predominantly used for servers - Valve and everyone else do try to upstream what they can, but obviously not everything can make it upstream. Nevermind the need to just move fast and support hardware if we want people to take Linux seriously as a desktop OS and not just get easily dismissed with, "Yeah, it's cool, but it doesn't support my hardware until months later, so it's a useless OS for me."

It does matter - a lot of these does matter. I used to be someone who scoffed at all these custom stuff but after trying to do it myself, I really do appreciate how well they make these things as ready-to-use as possible even for newbies.

My experience seems to differ a lot. But first of I am a Tumbleweed user since forever. Hardware support on rolling release is usually not a big deal. It's all those pesky point-releases drawing the "Linux does not support new hardware"-image. While I say, a point release has nothing to do on a Desktop system.

As of CachyOS being so much faster I can not confirm. Everything I benchmark myself (with Tumbleweed vs Cachy) was roughly on par. Sometimes Cachy delivered a few more frames sometimes Tumbleweed. Most of the time neither did.

Tbh I don't know what TW does with their -default Kernel as there's also a -vanilla Linux kernel in the repos. Maybe they do some optimisations themselves which is why it doesn't get outperformed by Cachy.

As of unsupported Hardware I didn't ran into any systems not supported by Tumbleweed. Sure they do not have dedicated images for certain hardware as like Bazzite does. There's just one version (not counting Tumbleweed based distros like Kalpa or Aeon here). Also I do only own regular PCs, Laptop and a SteamDeck. Neither of which required extra tweaks or drivers (besides NVIDIA) to run properly.

Using stuff like OpenRGB made all the RGB stuff work as well.

No need for extra input drivers for the SteamDecks trackpads or extra buttons. They just worked (assuming Steam is running otherwise they where mapped to Keyboard and Mouse)

And so one. Zero issue since years. No need for a dedicated distro either. But I might as well not run the problematic systems, maybe, which is why I didn't ran into issues.

I am not sure if I understood the first thing you said right. What can't be controlled by flatpak Lutris? Inhibit screensaver? Sure this works. That's what portals and DBUS is made for.

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Quoting: drenAgain this is misleading. Once you download your game from GOG, you can completely remove them from the scenario of installation at all. You have the files, you can install it on as many computers as you want and you don't have to login to play the game. You absolutely cannot do that with Steam.

You absolutely can. There are lots of DRM-free games on steam and downloading the files is the only thing you need to do in order to run them. Obviously you can't do that with games relying on Steam DRM (at least not without using workarounds), but that's something the developer put in there, and not valve. Valve does not require any kind of DRM for games sold on Steam.

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If valve's cut inflates the prices, then how come games that are not on steam (ubi/origin/nintendo exclusives) cost the same? $60/70 at launch? They're selling on their own stores, so shouldn't they be 30% cheaper or something? Or how about epic exclusives? Dead Island 2 was $59.99 at launch (one-year epic store exclusive), and a year later it launched on steam at the same price. Shouldn't they take advantage of epic's lower cut and give the consumers a better price in the first year, before the alleged steam price parity was enforced? No? Anyone?

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Quoting: tpauOften you have hardware that has no or just out of tree drivers, so i welcome any concerted effort to change that.
Gaming critical software for me also includes wine, wine-staging, umu, proton, LACT, coolercontrol, DXVK, VKD3D , Mangohud, Goverlay, LinuxGamingBenchmark,CapFrameX,Heroic-Launcher, Lutris, Playnite, VR-Stuff , OBS,OpenRazer, OpenRGB and more besides the drivers.

I agree, while I could just use Fedora Kionite and customize that, I can't really be bothered to do that when someone else already has done the hard work for me. When I'm tired after a long work week, I just want to play games and have a reliable working OS, and Bazzite provides just that.

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Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

The issue with Lutris is that, as far as I'm aware, there are still things that don't work as well with its Flatpak version vs Native version. The one thing that I recall was that Steam can't control / monitor the run status of games run by Flatpak Lutris - which could be an issue for a distro where user is expected to be on Steam's Game Mode a lot of the times.

For a distro based on Fedora Atomic that is meant to be as battery-included (ready-to-use) as possible, it does need to include a lot of things. This is their goal - and for the most part the issue has been the sheer amount of devices they support.

Which is where kernel is an issue. I used NixOS with nix-cachyos-kernel flake. Even with THAT there are still a number of things that don't work and performance was garbage (it was already garbage with the default kernel tbh). And that's with a kernel based on the distro that is most focused on performance. As soon as I actually switched to CachyOS itself, everything becomes so much faster. Even back on Bazzite, I've had days where after a while my ROG Ally slows down and I need to restart - something which hasn't been an issue with CachyOS as I left it for the past few days to sync files from my server and download my games from Steam. At the same time, Bazzite also did some work with HHD which requires working some custom kernel and config stuff - those are getting semi-abandoned, but not fully as they do want to bring things like ROG/View Button Switching even after the InputPlumber migration.

At the same time, these are versions of the kernel for specific usecase. Linux is still predominantly used for servers - Valve and everyone else do try to upstream what they can, but obviously not everything can make it upstream. Nevermind the need to just move fast and support hardware if we want people to take Linux seriously as a desktop OS and not just get easily dismissed with, "Yeah, it's cool, but it doesn't support my hardware until months later, so it's a useless OS for me."

It does matter - a lot of these does matter. I used to be someone who scoffed at all these custom stuff but after trying to do it myself, I really do appreciate how well they make these things as ready-to-use as possible even for newbies.

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Quoting: wit_as_a_riddleI find the moral indignation over what others do with their own hard earned money to be performative.

That sounds like it makes sense, but it's ludicrous. So, Geoffrey Epstein spent his own hard earned money on sex with underage girls. I am morally indignant about that. Not you, though, that would be "performative".

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Quoting: wit_as_a_riddle

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: wit_as_a_riddleCopyright law is very outdated for current technology.

So is capitalism. But if we're going to insist on capitalism, then within that framework I'm not sure what's going to stop anyone who creates anything from starving without copyright. We can fix copyright if we fix the overall system it's in.

For me, the strongest case for sticking with markets is the historic drop in extreme poverty: from high 60s–80% globally in the 1970s down to under 9% today.

Oh, sure, the drop in extreme poverty. So first of all, I've heard plenty about the supposed drop in extreme poverty, but I've never heard anyone mention a figure that extreme, that's just in the ridiculous propaganda realm. Don't know where you got it, but I'm pretty sure it's nonsense even in terms of the official stats that are generally bandied about.

Second, "extreme poverty" is defined in these sorts of statistics as "making less than $2 per day". That's in purchasing power parity with the US dollar. So then, if you're an American, and you make more than $60/month, you're not in "extreme poverty". Homeless people can starve to death in the US on way more than that. It's ridiculous. And since it's purchasing power parity, it is equally ridiculous everywhere else. Masses of people are, in real life, extremely poor, but the statistics claim they are not. They are quite simply statistics built to generate reassuring lies.

Third, much of this drop in "extreme poverty" represents the destruction of the peasantry. People are driven off their subsistence farms by various modern "enclosure movement" equivalents, they move to the cities and live in shanty towns where they are half starved, scraping by on whatever informal ways to scratch out a living they can find. But! Before, when they had adequate food that they grew themselves, decent shelter and generally were poor, but more or less OK, they weren't really in the monetary economy, so they made less than $2/day. Now that their lives are precarious and they can barely eat and their homes are made of cardboard or some damn thing, they make more than $2/day so they're not in "extreme poverty". Lucky them!

Fourth, another massive proportion of the drop in poverty is China. There was a period where China represented more than 100% of the drop in extreme poverty . . . which is to say, in the rest of the world extreme poverty was increasing, but it was decreasing so much in China it more than made up for it. This is not exactly a triumph of free market capitalism.

In any case, "markets" and capitalism are not the same thing. You can have markets without capitalism, it's easy, just replace all the firms owned by individual rich people and stock market investors with firms owned by governments and worker co-operatives, but leave the markets in place. Badabing, markets but no capitalism. And, you can have capitalism with no markets--we see this in US military contractors, who are often the sole source of a good which they sell only to their sole customer using cost-plus contracts which define the price paid as a function of how much it costs the firm to make the product, plus a percentage for profit. That isn't a market. And yet they are capitalist firms--private individuals own them, capital is invested in them for the purpose of generating a profit which can be reinvested.

Maybe you should talk about things you know something about. Nobody who, confronted with the term "capitalism", responds with the term "markets", knows much about either.

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Often you have hardware that has no or just out of tree drivers, so i welcome any concerted effort to change that.
Gaming critical software for me also includes wine, wine-staging, umu, proton, LACT, coolercontrol, DXVK, VKD3D , Mangohud, Goverlay, LinuxGamingBenchmark,CapFrameX,Heroic-Launcher, Lutris, Playnite, VR-Stuff , OBS,OpenRazer, OpenRGB and more besides the drivers.

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Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman

Quoting: PaldinoXWhats wrong with Fedora?

Quoting: AsciiWolfWhy? Fedora is one of the best polished and easy to use distros nowadays.

The better question is, what is not wrong with Fedora. But also I am not willing to discuss this with random strangers in the GoL comments section. Sounds like a waste of effort.

That's real bitter, man.

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Quoting: williamjcm

Quoting: Purple Library GuyThe basic question is whether the 30% cut generates windfall profits. If it does, then lawsuits that successfully reduce that cut will leave Valve in place but reduce costs for the consumer.

It most definitely will not. It's not a "tax" that gets added on top of the game price like Tim Sweeney would want you to think.

Really? What is it then? Monopoly money?

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Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

Flatpak launchers have many issues including gamescope/scopebuddy not working and using their own outdated Mesa, as well as being affected by the Nvidia Flatpak driver issues, this is why a built in launcher is greatly preferred

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So this basically?

https://xkcd.com/927/

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Personally I don't care if they use AI or not in their artwork. I go there to buy games and as long as they keep releasing new stuff then I'm buying.

I'm probably in the minority here regarding this. What if they want to save a bit of money on artists and instead focus their funds on more important things? They can draw the promo page in mspaint and doodles for all I care.

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Quoting: PaldinoXWhats wrong with Fedora?

Quoting: AsciiWolfWhy? Fedora is one of the best polished and easy to use distros nowadays.

The better question is, what is not wrong with Fedora. But also I am not willing to discuss this with random strangers in the GoL comments section. Sounds like a waste of effort.

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"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

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Quoting: fenglengshunThe rest of the Open Gaming Collective is interesting. Notably, CachyOS isn't on that list, despite Nobara which had been based on a lot of what CachyOS did (and PikaOS I think is based on Nobara) being on the group.

I feel like this is due to the nature of this project vs Arch, the reluctance to make software decisions for the user, and the rolling release model. OGC is probably looking to implement concepts more in-line with their members(Bazzite, Nobara, et al) and that's always been quite opposite to the way Arch/CachyOS operates.

That doesn't mean that there won't be contribution to what OGC is trying to accomplish. I imagine there will be a fair amount of borrowing from the CachyOS developers' work on their kernel and schedulers. Which is great. With Clear Linux now defunct there aren't exactly many choices for advanced kernel tech that's sufficiently tested for an end user's environment.

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[quote]For too long, the Linux gaming ecosystem has been fragmented. Individual distributions have spent countless hours duplicating efforts on kernel patches, input tooling, and essential packages.

no shit sherlock

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well dang! I have been on v2.17 forever cuz 2.18 broke EVERYTHING for me and I had to rollback. It conflicts with Steam open for some games, and controller goes crazy in the menu from time to time.

I may have to give 2.19 a try since "improved gamepad" would be a big deal.

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Quoting: wit_as_a_riddleI find the moral indignation over what others do with their own hard earned money to be performative. Good luck with that authoritarian desire to control the choices of others, maybe you can bring bureaucracy in to regulate, spend some of your taxes on that. I'm sure there were people complaining about the jobs of sled makers when the wheel was invented - ultimately fruitless.

It's almost as if said money came from somewhere..., but what do I know —I could be wrong, maybe it was generated instead

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Quoting: pb

Quoting: CaldathrasThe "you can back up your Steam games after they're installed" argument is spurious at best. It overlooks the fact that the game still requires the Steam client to install those games in first place.

It doesn't, you can download the game with steamcmd. It only requires a steam account, just like it requires a gog account to download the game.

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD#Downloading_an_App

Again this is misleading. Once you download your game from GOG, you can completely remove them from the scenario of installation at all. You have the files, you can install it on as many computers as you want and you don't have to login to play the game. You absolutely cannot do that with Steam. You're really reaching at straws to defend Valve as a company and that makes no sense. Just like I think GoG makes bad decisions like the AI slop artwork they're using for game sales, you need to be able to say the same thing about Valve. You have some misguided notion that they're looking out for you instead of their bottom line.

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I recall Bazzite being very early with Steam Deck / handheld SteamOS-alternative, so I think that was why they use HHD? But InputPlumber being what Valve uses made it not a surprise it is what the rest of the community standardized on instead of HHD.

I did saw one person complained about CachyOS not supporting HHD, that it meant that it's less flexible than Bazzite, and they're right but it is clearly a double-edged sword given the maintenance burden of not using what everyone else is using.

The rest of the Open Gaming Collective is interesting. Notably, CachyOS isn't on that list, despite Nobara which had been based on a lot of what CachyOS did (and PikaOS I think is based on Nobara) being on the group.

Oh, and Faugus is good but I had issues with portals on Game Mode but I was also using a jank NixOS + Jovian setup on my ROG Ally so idk. Still, dropping Lutris? Hm, has Lutris Flatpak version matured enough? I feel like Lutris is still a core of getting many non-Steam non-Heroic games running.

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Quoting: poiuz

Quoting: F.UltraAFAIK this have only been rumoured by Epic. But if you have any links with data then provide them.

There are quotes buried in court files - I'll have to look for it myself.

Quoting: F.UltraYet when I google it I get back that Apple takes 30% (and 15% for small publishers) and Sony takes 30%...

Fortnite & the App Store ring any bells? Maybe search for EU DSA?

Good luck trying to find that in their lawsuit (they are not), the only thing that they presents is in their FAQ where they claim that Valve is doing this with weasel wording trying to avoid the fact that is all about Steam Keys. We all went over this in 2024 when they filed it.

The Fortnite vs Apple suit was because Apple forced Fortnite to use their payment system for in app purchases. So far I have no idea how this somehow makes LupertEverett:s comment that both Sony and Apple take 30% incorrect.

Quoting: eggroleAs everyone has said, I see no issue with the 30% cut, but I think the more important part, that has a bit of merit IMHO, is the off-platform competition restriction. If my game is for sale on steam for $50, why can't I sell it direct on my website (or any other platform for that matter) for $40?

This *feels* very anti-competitive, but what do I know.

AFAIK that is not what Valve does not allow, what they do not allow is you seeling Steam keys for $40 on your website if you have a sale at Steam for $50.

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making illustrations with ai, instead of hiring artists, is the same as making games drm-free with cracks, instead of buying them from gog. hopefully gog will stop sloppifying itself, because it is one of few digital game stores that actually has its mission, purpose and reasons to exist.

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Just to clarify, the project **is** a Linux Kernel distribution, but what is less common is that it was built as designed to be "immutable", which is another trait to consider, since some do and I believe a Linux Kernel instance must be mutable and modular in the first place, including custom middleware/drivers for the hardware you have in your environment, and for personal more straightforward and transparent audits, too.

Since every single environment is unique and must be maintainable conveniently and independently of the vendor.

Meanwhile, this is incredible indeed, of course! Let's wish them success, stability, less piracy and more prosperity, peace, and safety to eventually unveil even more miracles of ineffably magnificent art of people in the infinity of the world...

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