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Quoting: ShabbyXDo they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

AFAIK the spec is proprietary, secret, and must be licensed, as they nixed AMD's request to do a FLOSS implementation: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/02/the-hdmi-forum-rejected-amds-open-source-hdmi-21-implementation/

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using AI to fight AI which they said "seems horribly ironic" but they might have to eventually

A couple of years ago, I was on a cyber security panel which asked "what is the best use for AI, in your business". We were a panel of investment managers, and the top answer was "writing out responses to client due diligence questionnaires". The second-to-top answer was "reading responses from our own vendor due diligence questionnaires".

You couldn't make it up.

But no, fighting AI with more AI is a poor choice that simply feeds the beast (in this case, the beast being AI itself). A ban on AI is ideal... except it will become increasingly difficult to know when AI has been involved.

I wonder if it's possible that new PR requests (that is, PRs from new contributors) go into a queue, and a voting system is introduced among Github users. This wouldn't be the Godot team themselves, just interested parties. As more people vote on the "good" PRs, or at least the desirable PRs, they rise to the top, and only then get reviewed by the Godot team. Once they've contributed (well) once, they skip the queue for future PRs.

It's far from simple, but there's a crowd of interested parties out there, and it would be a shame not to give that crowd some agency on the prioritisation of new contributions.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: ShabbyXMy question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

you asked the wrong question. The question is when is it Not being an ass.

No I'm serious, what benefit does HDMI get from disallowing Linux supporting it?

Do they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

Collecting patent fees, royalties & restrictions etc.. Remember HDMI is not FOSS, it's not part of VESA afaik. Personally i think Displayport should be included on all TV's aswell but i would imagine the HDMI group leans hard on Samsung, Sony against using an alternative connector ?

I believe that's why we saw Apple using alternate connectors so they didn't have to pay the royalties associated. If wireless video streaming @ 60ghz ever becomes the norm we might not even need HDMI at all.

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Quoting: syylkThere are active DP1.4/USB-C -> HDMI 2.1 adapters that support the necessary features and transfer speeds, but I have no experience with them.

I recently tried this [BENFEI DisplayPort 1.4 zu HDMI 2.1 Adapter](https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0GC5S8Q6C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title) with my LG G2 TV on Fedora43/LinuxMint/Ubuntu26.04 and had no success with VRR (FreeSync). I thought that maybe the sound would be transmitted in 5.1, but I didn't spend much time messing around with it. I sent the adapter back four days later.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: ShabbyXMy question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

you asked the wrong question. The question is when is it Not being an ass.

No I'm serious, what benefit does HDMI get from disallowing Linux supporting it?

Do they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

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Oh dear, the nightmare never ends 😫

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Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

I'm tempted to agree, but this is both impractical and would throw the small percentage of valid cases.

Ban is simple and simple things are practical.
So we need to rid or not put in place some systems, because it (may) hurts small percentage... I agree, first come to mind... vaccination... is both impractical and hurts percentages /s

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I'm so glad that all these garbage llm's are eating up all the cpus and rams and hdds and etc so they can generate this super great stuff! YAY! I AM SO GLAD DID I MENTION THAT. SOOOOOO. GLAD.

😡

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BURST BURST BURST!!!

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Thanks for the enlightening answers!

(Yup, didn't think of TV gaming. 😁)

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Quoting: Arehandoro

Quoting: rcrit

Quoting: fenglengshunSigh.

I don't even have the energy to care anymore.

Energy is in short supply and increasing in price as well.

AWS, Google and Microsoft, once there is no supply of CPUs, RAM, GPUs, and SSDs/HDDs for the rest, consumer or business, will increase the cost on their offerings too.

Filled with ads! Enshitification at its best!

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Quoting: Pyrate

Quoting: Purple Library GuyBut it doesn't seem to be available in any distros as user friendly as Mint. One of these days I'll give it another look.

Fedora KDE is user friendly. Not having Nvidia drivers pre-installed ≠ not-user friendly. Windows comes without drivers pre-installed as well and people think that OS is user friendly. There's no harm in websearching "install nvidia drivers fedora Linux" and learning a thing or two about package management in the process. It's good practice long term.

In theory I agree, but installing Nvidia drivers on Fedora (especially with secure boot) is poorly documented and a pain in the ass.

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Quoting: rcrit

Quoting: fenglengshunSigh.

I don't even have the energy to care anymore.

Energy is in short supply and increasing in price as well.

AWS, Google and Microsoft, once there is no supply of CPUs, RAM, GPUs, and SSDs/HDDs for the rest, consumer or business, will increase the cost on their offerings too.

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I can't stop you using LLM as a tool, but I still expect you to know what it is you're doing.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask people to understand what it is they are submitting, because they are asking me to maintain it going forward.

Personally I feel that LLM's as how they are pushed to have superficial value. I honestly feel that if it never happened the whole world would be in a better place and as a society we would be more productive.
Not that the tech is bad, just the politics of the tech.

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Quoting: ShabbyXMy question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

you asked the wrong question. The question is when is it Not being an ass.

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Quoting: fenglengshunSigh.

I don't even have the energy to care anymore.

Energy is in short supply and increasing in price as well.

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Looks like going outside is back on the menu.

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Quoting: syylkDunno, but once you have DP or USB-C, why you'd want HDMI? Legacy? Enlighten me, LinuxHiveMind!

Some people have existing hardware with HDMI input but no DP or USB-C, and very much would like to use it instead of trashing a thousand-dollar equipment because of "cable protocol forum is angry at this one dev".

Kinda the same reason people that moved to linux and uses nvidia hardware won't throw away their working card to get an AMD just because "it's the good way to do things".

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Back to e-mail workflow, auto-close GH PRs. Might as well switch to SourceHut while they're at it.

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Quoting: syylkDunno, but once you have DP or USB-C, why you'd want HDMI? Legacy? Enlighten me, LinuxHiveMind!

If you use a TV screen as your gaming display (like I do, an LG OLED), DisplayPort or USB-C is rarely an option. Most of them only include HDMI inputs, which is a shame.

There are active DP1.4/USB-C -> HDMI 2.1 adapters that support the necessary features and transfer speeds, but I have no experience with them.

PS: In my experience, if you ask any Linux community about anything at all, you'll get at least two conflicting opinions, likely more. If there's a "LinuxHiveMind", it's got dissociative identity disorder or something.

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I would type a reply but it's just going to be a sting of expletives at this point...

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Quoting: syylkEnlighten me, LinuxHiveMind!

Because you want to play Death Stranding 2, sitting on your couch in front of your 75" 4k 120Hz OLED Screen with HDR.
Sure, you could do this on a PlayStation 5, but this is GamingOnLinux, not GamingOnPlaystation...

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Eh, I'd be happier just switching to DP. The 7600 I've got now has 3 DPs and 1 HDMI so I have to use DP anyway.

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We will have to go back to tape drives and floppy disks soon.

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My question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

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Sigh.

I don't even have the energy to care anymore.

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This is getting ridiculous

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Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

I'm tempted to agree, but this is both impractical and would throw the small percentage of valid cases.

A better approach would to be require all PR to be hand-reviewed *before* submission, and vetted by a human. It's equally impractical, but if we look at the cURL project as an example, it is possible for competent devs to use LLM and similar as tools to raise appropriate issues, fixes, and formulate them properly. Key element is, a human used a tool vs. a tool used a human.

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Dunno, but once you have DP or USB-C, why you'd want HDMI? Legacy? Enlighten me, LinuxHiveMind!

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In theory AI should help for most of us, however in practice it helps just for few people (mainly from big corporations) in the world and is a problem for 95% population. At current situation whole AI is just a horrible waste of resources. I think that in near future we'll see a lot of changes and limitations at how AI is used, because current use cases are jokes.

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