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I totally misunderstood then. I thought the regretting part was due to asking a technical question and bracing for technical explanation. Judging from the development of the whole mess, we'll probably know soon enough, whether we like it or not.

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Second chart, 83% PC

GDC guilty of naively using "PC" to refer to Windows. To me, PC envelopes all Linux + Windows + Mac.

So if you include the 17% Mac and 6% Linux, PC as a platform is even more dominant than it first appears.

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This just makes me love cachy even more. Kickass peterleet!

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Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: pb

Quoting: drenAgain this is misleading. Once you download your game from GOG, you can completely remove them from the scenario of installation at all. You have the files, you can install it on as many computers as you want and you don't have to login to play the game. You absolutely cannot do that with Steam.

You absolutely can. There are lots of DRM-free games on steam and downloading the files is the only thing you need to do in order to run them. Obviously you can't do that with games relying on Steam DRM (at least not without using workarounds), but that's something the developer put in there, and not valve. Valve does not require any kind of DRM for games sold on Steam.

Have you read the link you provided? Steamcmd is nothing like a GOG offline installer. You are not downloading the game installer through Steamcmd, you are installing the game! It is just an incredibly convoluted command line version of the Steam client (for which, the client is likely the GUI). Yes, you can run some of the games without the client but that does NOT make it the equivalent of an offline installer. There is one fundamental difference: if you lose Internet access or Valve's servers go down, you cannot install the game!

This is not entirely true. Once a game have been downloaded but before it has been installed, there is a game installer.exe in the game path. If the game is released DRM free by the publisher you can copy this .exe to wherever you like and install it there instead.

Quoting: dren

Quoting: pb

Quoting: drenAgain this is misleading. Once you download your game from GOG, you can completely remove them from the scenario of installation at all. You have the files, you can install it on as many computers as you want and you don't have to login to play the game. You absolutely cannot do that with Steam.

You absolutely can. There are lots of DRM-free games on steam and downloading the files is the only thing you need to do in order to run them. Obviously you can't do that with games relying on Steam DRM (at least not without using workarounds), but that's something the developer put in there, and not valve. Valve does not require any kind of DRM for games sold on Steam.

@Caldathras is absolutely correct. GOG provides standalone executable installers, steam has no such feature. Games being DRM-free on steam isn't normal. Devs can and sometimes do add Steamworks DRM after initial releases, etc. The permanence of the Steam install being DRM-free isn't there. Also the Steam installation doesn't include other necessary dependencies, such as DirectX or C++ redistributables, that are included as part of an actual installer. Steam also doesn't advertise or tell you which games are DRM-free. On GOG EVERY game is DRM-free with all dependencies included as part of the installer (both Windows and Linux). In a lot of cases, these DRM-free directories still need the Steam client to act as a wrapper or handle activation. With GOG, you don't even need to use Galaxy, you can just download the installer from the website and install it where you want. This is why Heroic is able to provide direct access to your GOG library and is able to install everything you need for a game. It just feels like you are trying to make an equivalency argument that isn't actually equivalent.

But they do (if the game publisher have decided to release their game DRM free on Steam). In that case there is a perfectly fine old time .exe installer at the game location in Steam.

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Quoting: LachuMaybe devs will release server software, when shutting down own?

That would be great, but I think the ask can be even less. Literally all they need to do is not get in the way of people reverse engineering and building their own servers.

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Quoting: dubigrasuAI use: "Brainstorming = 81%"
That seems weird, basically asking AI what people would like? (if I understand that correctly)

*sighs* Basically throwing your own ideas at the AI, get some feedback, maybe ideas you haven't thought of yourself, incorporate that into your ideas, discuss them, evolve them, then create something out of it on your own, but with some external input, which you can take into account or not - up to you. Brainstorming...

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Quoting: amatai

Quoting: Sakuretsu

Antheas (Antheas Kapenekakis), who was previously part of the Bazzite team and creator of the Handheld Daemon project, but ended up being kicked out due to "repeated violations of our Code of Conduct".

Maybe I'm going to regret asking but what did that guy do?

Making software and hardware working together, which is actually quite hard, very technical and a bit boring.
For example, it makes so that Linux can connect to the internet on an handeld with some wifi modem and antenna but unusual linking or that the software you use can access the position of the analogues sticks.

My guess is that the question was about the claimed "repeated violations of our Code of Conduct".

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IMO mikes take on https://www.supergoodcode.com/unpopular-opinion/ is at least something to consider

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Quoting: Sakuretsu

Antheas (Antheas Kapenekakis), who was previously part of the Bazzite team and creator of the Handheld Daemon project, but ended up being kicked out due to "repeated violations of our Code of Conduct".

Maybe I'm going to regret asking but what did that guy do?

Making software and hardware working together, which is actually quite hard, very technical and a bit boring.
For example, it makes so that Linux can connect to the internet on an handeld with some wifi modem and antenna but unusual linking or that the software you use can access the position of the analogues sticks.

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I do agree with antheas that the IWD change was too early. My laptop (which has Intel wifi) is fine but my desktop (Realtek WIFI) always disconnects sporadically since the update. Seems that IWD causes issues for non-Intel cards specifically. A lot of other people on the discord reported losing or worse wifi functionality after this update

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I read the post by antheas, why he is not part of bazzite anymore:
Seems to be very wisely for CachyOS to not join OGC.

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Antheas (Antheas Kapenekakis), who was previously part of the Bazzite team and creator of the Handheld Daemon project, but ended up being kicked out due to "repeated violations of our Code of Conduct".

Maybe I'm going to regret asking but what did that guy do?

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Ah, I think you're right. That's a bit unfortunate then. Sounds like he's bitter about the situation and would refuse to relinquish his perceived part-onwership status to spite them. That's a shame.

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Maybe devs will release server software, when shutting down own?

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Quoting: scaineInteresting not at the end where Antheas claims that Bazzite can now never be attached to hardware officially. Not sure I understood the why of that.

From what I understood, Antheas claims part ownership of the brand and will block attempts to change the trademark rule to allow its use by hardware vendor. But I'm unsure about this.

Credential abuse/mishandling does not legally give Kyle the ability to trademark Bazzite or take this kind of decision. In fact, it would be hard trademark Bazzite now, as it is contaminated through my involvement, a lot of which is public and unretractable, and poor handling thereafter. This legal murkiness (pre-existing to an extent) is part of the reason I will be focusing my efforts elsewhere. The Bazzite mark can only be used non-commercially from now on and not e.g. sold moving forward otherwise we will need to have a follow-up discussion.

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Bazzite is smart to remove people like this as they become giant resource drains in the end.

I disagree. It was well written and had examples of where friction was causing issues. But as Liam notes, looking from the outside in, it's impossible to say who's in the right. Just unfortunate drama.

Interesting not at the end where Antheas claims that Bazzite can now never be attached to hardware officially. Not sure I understood the why of that.

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"Antheas has since written up their own version of events"

I made the effort to all read that and regret it as a giant waste of time. Every organization has disagreements and conflicts, but this comes across as petty and unprofessional, full of unverifiable anecdotes and irrelevant gossip. Bazzite is smart to remove people like this as they become giant resource drains in the end.

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Hope it doesn't sour them from officially supporting linux distro's.

Guess that the lesson to be learned is that one shouldn't be too quick to jump on a new distro's bandwagon.

On a completely unrelated sidenote, I am hearing good things about opensuse tumbleweed on gpdwin devices.

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The vast majority for Meta platforms at 82%, SteamVR was next at 37%. Perhaps the Steam Frame will shift this over.

Facebook closing a bunch of VR studios and laying off thousands of workers, having wasted billions chasing a "metaverse," might also shift it over. I expect quite a lot of people are going to wonder whether that platform is the basket they'd like to put all their eggs in.

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Yeah, the usual geek soap opera stuff...

I'm out. I prefer utopian SciFi

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The Linux way of technical debate at its peak. 😇

I wish I could pick a side, but I don't really understand what it entails. Seems to be about input being managed from the kernel or the userspace or something like that.

Thanks for the coverage.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfUgh, nope? Linux is not Windows. Do they also distribute their Android client as an *.apk?

way worse than that. .apk I think is a package format like .deb (for debian based) or .msi (for windows). What they are doing is the completely chaotic windows way of .exe installers.

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Looks like new distro origin story.

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Quoting: tmtvlI'm still going to keep buying games on GOG because the anti-DRM stance is more important than 'oh, they used an AI-generated image' (we don't even know whether the model used is an ethically trained model or not) or 'oh, their launcher doesn't run on GNU/Linux' (you can just download the game from the website and there's Lutris and Heroic and Minigalaxy). I also buy games on Steam and Itch because I know any and all of those bastards will stab me in the back when the mood takes them (and seriously, fuck Valve, fuck GOG, and double fuck Itch for stiffing the fucking devs out of the money their fans pay).

Is AI bad? Well, Adobe Firefly is apparently trained on specifically licensed content where Adobe paid the creators for making the materials the model was trained on, there's also Vaisual and Tess and Mitsua and gods know what else. Maybe whoever provided the banner art for GOG used one of those? But no, AI = bad, so let's not use our brains and just condemn; that's always worked out best.

It's slop. If you like it, OK, but it's undeniable the image quality is abysmal. On top of that there are all the other problems (massive copyright violation, that I suspect is happening here also, environmental disaster, hoarding causing 5x RAM price increase...). But even setting these aside, if you don't care about the presentation of your store and put slop on it...

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Quoting: dubigrasuAI use: "Brainstorming = 81%"
That seems weird, basically asking AI what people would like? (if I understand that correctly)

Brainstorming without a brain.

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Quoting: Liam DaweI don't know why we're acting like Flathub is the only right / official / proper way to do Flatpak? It's not, again - that's part of the point of it. This isn't Snap.

I don't see anything actually wrong with how NVIDIA are doing this. All desktop platforms Windows, macOS and Linux get a direct download from NVIDIA.

Flathub kind of is the official (but not only) way to do Flatpak. :-)

Sure, I wouldn't be so mad if they did it the correct way. Proper *.flatpakref that is click-to-install.

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Q: Any thoughts on the anti-cheat problem for Linux / SteamOS? How can we solve it?

Implement the Windows kernel on Wine. Wine can load and execute Windows kernel drivers to some capacity, that is how some games with ACE already work to some extent. afaik Proton-EM dev is working on this. I know I know easier said than done😅

For EAC & BE boost Linux market share.

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This was posted on Reddit today.🤔
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bazzite/comments/1qr0pqr/gpd_was_in_contact_with_antheas_before_he_left/

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Quoting: AsciiWolfUgh, nope? Linux is not Windows. Do they also distribute their Android client as an *.apk?

They just make everything harder for their Linux users for no reason - and even more harder since they distribute it as a binary blob instead of a standard *.flatpakref. Why?

Binary blob installers were a thing back in 2005s.

They probably do this for two reasons:
1. Add a Flathub remote and install additional dependencies from there. I however believe that a regular flatpakref can also do this and none of this was needed if they published it on Flathub.
2. Install and setup Flatpak support on Ubuntu (which does not have Flatpak support). But is it actually necessary since almost every other distro comes with a Flatpak support out-of-box?

You're right, it's not Windows. But that doesn't really mean anything here. As for Android, no it's on the Play store - but that is the official central way to get any Android apps so it makes sense there.

I don't know why we're acting like Flathub is the only right / official / proper way to do Flatpak? It's not, again - that's part of the point of it. This isn't Snap.

I don't see anything actually wrong with how NVIDIA are doing this. All desktop platforms Windows, macOS and Linux get a direct download from NVIDIA.

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Awesome news!! Bazzite suffers from a lot of hard to reproduce, hardware specific issues and I imagine that is the case for other gaming focused distros as well. On bazzite's github repository, most of the filed issues are about problems on specific hardware and unfortunately remain unaddressed. Same goes for issues filed in their discord server.

This is the way to go, I am so delighted!

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