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Quoting: Cley_Faye

Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

I'm tempted to agree, but this is both impractical and would throw the small percentage of valid cases.

A better approach would to be require all PR to be hand-reviewed *before* submission, and vetted by a human. It's equally impractical, but if we look at the cURL project as an example, it is possible for competent devs to use LLM and similar as tools to raise appropriate issues, fixes, and formulate them properly. Key element is, a human used a tool vs. a tool used a human.

A small percentage of false positives is better than the several times of increased effort spent on reviewing.

Often the best rule is not so much "is it LLM-generated" but rather "does it look LLM-generated", because if you reviewed and cleaned-up your partially-LLM-generated submission well, it shouldn't at all be "obvious" that it was LLM-generated.

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If you generated the whole thing with AI, what made you think the maintainers couldn't have done this themselves?

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My optimist take is that the next few years will see such a glut of a million slop games with all their focus being on iap garbage, that people will just tire of it and stop paying attention. Then the drooling suits will release games that get like 4 installs and zero profits, and will just give up and go have their diaper changed.

Unity will slowly tank over time because it'll turn into a garbage slop gen and nothing more.

Also going along with this is that Godot gets a ton of attention and funding, figures out how to remove the code submission slop, and becomes an anti-ai powerhouse.

Of course, that's my optimist take. Will any of that happen? I don't know. What I do know is that the next 2 / 3 years are going to be ROUGH with all this ai shit. I hate it so much.

I really want a filter on steam itself, or any other stores, that have a "no ai used in this game" button because that'll make it a LOT easier to purchase stuff going forward.

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Eh, while I am a lot more open to AI than many here, I cannot see a "prompt to finished game" pipeline happening anytime soon. We're not there yet. At best it will be a glorified games construction kit with an AI label slapped on, because every modern hype product needs one.

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Guys, stick to meaningful and info rich messages on the GOL forum from now on; don't waste precious server storage space on worthless messages.

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I fucking hate AI!

I fucking hate AI!

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Quoting: hardpenguinThis is getting ridiculous

GETTING ridiculous?

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Let's just hope that all that comes with a lack of engine optimization and skyrocketing requirements, so that we can have the full taste spectrum of sh*t for every game made by " the many ".

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Quoting: Loftyersonally i think Displayport should be included on all TV's aswell but i would imagine the HDMI group leans hard on Samsung, Sony against using an alternative connector ?

It's the TV manufacturers who are in charge of HDMI. They don't need leaning on.

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Quoting: SalvatosI think it’s great. We will get exponentially more games to choose from, and fewer people will be able to play them due to computer parts becoming constantly more expensive in the middle of a shaky economy. Give it a few years and demand will have been driven to the ground while offer skyrockets. Hopefully that’s enough to kill the AAA segment 🤣

The problem is that in case of AAA the marketing campaign is what sells not the game itself, but maybe they will increase the quality if the sales drop. But from my experience they will rather invest more in marketing than doing better games :-D

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Quoting: Greo

Quoting: syylkThere are active DP1.4/USB-C -> HDMI 2.1 adapters that support the necessary features and transfer speeds, but I have no experience with them.

I recently tried this [BENFEI DisplayPort 1.4 zu HDMI 2.1 Adapter](https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0GC5S8Q6C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title) with my LG G2 TV on Fedora43/LinuxMint/Ubuntu26.04 and had no success with VRR (FreeSync). I thought that maybe the sound would be transmitted in 5.1, but I didn't spend much time messing around with it. I sent the adapter back four days later.

You need to firmware patch the adapters to get VRR and all the features working. And some adapters don't play as nice as others.

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Quoting: Cley_FayeA better approach would to be require all PR to be hand-reviewed *before* submission, and vetted by a human.

Sure.
Unfortunately not a feasible option in this dire situation.
Stemming the tide as soon as possible is imperative for Godots survival.

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My opinion is that I'm glad I use Godot, and Unity can go rot in hell :)

For me the fun of programming is to learn stuff, to think about how to do a thing, how to organize the code, how to solve problems. If a LLM is doing all of that for me and I just check what it generated, that's just a huge part of the fun taken from me.

That's even before considering hallucinations, errors and the ecological and economical impact.

I really can't wait for the overhype to die off and the levels of use of LLMs coming back down to actually reasonable and useful.

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Yeah you just need to wait for the XFCE Wayland rewrite. Probably another year away before usable I'm guessing.

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Another dazzling business move by the genius leadership of Unity Software Inc. 🤮

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Yep, when the A.I. bubble bursts, because the A.I. companies will have overspent and they are overvalued and the models hallucinate and can't perform real thinking. Once that bubble bursts, that industry won't have the cash to keep on buying up all the hard drives and ram. Then we'll get back to more sensible pricing for these products. I'd like to see Big Tech taken down a peg anyway - Anti-consumer behaviour should be rewarded with customers walking.

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Quoting: JarmerBURST BURST BURST!!!

This is a religious cult now, with strong ties to the US administration.
There's a good chance this bubble will last for many years.
I'm afraid we should prepare for a long winter.

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I think it’s great. We will get exponentially more games to choose from, and fewer people will be able to play them due to computer parts becoming constantly more expensive in the middle of a shaky economy. Give it a few years and demand will have been driven to the ground while offer skyrockets. Hopefully that’s enough to kill the AAA segment 🤣

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Built-in asset flip generator.

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a lot of people reject everything made by AI, now many people will see any game made with Unity and think: oh no, it was made by AI... and refuse to play the game.

Congratulations Unity.

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Quoting: whizseHow matplotlib's attempt at moderating AI submissions went:
https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

Oh brave new world, that has such LLMs in it!

I heard about this the other day, because Ars Technica then ran (and [removed](https://arstechnica.com/staff/2026/02/editors-note-retraction-of-article-containing-fabricated-quotations/) ) an article, which used AI which entirely made up quotes about it all.

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How matplotlib's attempt at moderating AI submissions went:
https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

Oh brave new world, that has such LLMs in it!

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one solution that i saw that WILL cause backslash... was to charge to submit an issue, and refund if the issue was legitimate.

that would limit how much the "ai bros" can flood the repo with bad submissions, and help pay the costs of reviewing the submissions

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Quoting: ShabbyXDo they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

AFAIK the spec is proprietary, secret, and must be licensed, as they nixed AMD's request to do a FLOSS implementation: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/02/the-hdmi-forum-rejected-amds-open-source-hdmi-21-implementation/

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using AI to fight AI which they said "seems horribly ironic" but they might have to eventually

A couple of years ago, I was on a cyber security panel which asked "what is the best use for AI, in your business". We were a panel of investment managers, and the top answer was "writing out responses to client due diligence questionnaires". The second-to-top answer was "reading responses from our own vendor due diligence questionnaires".

You couldn't make it up.

But no, fighting AI with more AI is a poor choice that simply feeds the beast (in this case, the beast being AI itself). A ban on AI is ideal... except it will become increasingly difficult to know when AI has been involved.

I wonder if it's possible that new PR requests (that is, PRs from new contributors) go into a queue, and a voting system is introduced among Github users. This wouldn't be the Godot team themselves, just interested parties. As more people vote on the "good" PRs, or at least the desirable PRs, they rise to the top, and only then get reviewed by the Godot team. Once they've contributed (well) once, they skip the queue for future PRs.

It's far from simple, but there's a crowd of interested parties out there, and it would be a shame not to give that crowd some agency on the prioritisation of new contributions.

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: ShabbyXMy question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

you asked the wrong question. The question is when is it Not being an ass.

No I'm serious, what benefit does HDMI get from disallowing Linux supporting it?

Do they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

Collecting patent fees, royalties & restrictions etc.. Remember HDMI is not FOSS, it's not part of VESA afaik. Personally i think Displayport should be included on all TV's aswell but i would imagine the HDMI group leans hard on Samsung, Sony against using an alternative connector ?

I believe that's why we saw Apple using alternate connectors so they didn't have to pay the royalties associated. If wireless video streaming @ 60ghz ever becomes the norm we might not even need HDMI at all.

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Quoting: syylkThere are active DP1.4/USB-C -> HDMI 2.1 adapters that support the necessary features and transfer speeds, but I have no experience with them.

I recently tried this [BENFEI DisplayPort 1.4 zu HDMI 2.1 Adapter](https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0GC5S8Q6C?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title) with my LG G2 TV on Fedora43/LinuxMint/Ubuntu26.04 and had no success with VRR (FreeSync). I thought that maybe the sound would be transmitted in 5.1, but I didn't spend much time messing around with it. I sent the adapter back four days later.

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Quoting: Lofty

Quoting: ShabbyXMy question is why HDMI is being such an ass?

you asked the wrong question. The question is when is it Not being an ass.

No I'm serious, what benefit does HDMI get from disallowing Linux supporting it?

Do they want a member fee or something? If Valve wants this, paying for that on behalf of Linux seems like such an east thing, I couldn't believe that would be it.

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Oh dear, the nightmare never ends 😫

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Quoting: Cley_Faye

Quoting: dpanterBan AI-generated everything. Is it optimal? No, but practical and likely the only reasonable option if Godot wants to remain open to new contributors. These AI slop "contributions" aren't contributing to anything positive.

I'm tempted to agree, but this is both impractical and would throw the small percentage of valid cases.

Ban is simple and simple things are practical.
So we need to rid or not put in place some systems, because it (may) hurts small percentage... I agree, first come to mind... vaccination... is both impractical and hurts percentages /s

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