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Let's be honest: with RAM prices so crazy, it's almost impossible to manufacture this unit at a profit. And if SSD prices start to rise too, it could have serious consequences, even leading to the postponement of the Steam Machine. But I don't want to paint a bleak picture.

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Systems running 32-bit versions of Windows will continue receiving updates to the 32-bit Steam client until January 1, 2026.

I don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit. But assume for a moment that there are some people actually gaming on 32-bit Windows, presumably on relatively old computers. After Jan 1, they can't any more. If they want to keep gaming, they have to upgrade to something.

So, what do they upgrade to? They can't upgrade to Win 11, it won't run on their hardware. Probably, most Windows newer than whatever they're using will have problems on their hardware, if they know how to pirate it because MS sure isn't selling the old versions. Also, won't get security updates, but presumably they don't care much about that since they obviously haven't had any for years.

But Linux would run on their hardware. And they'd even get security updates and stuff. If they want to keep gaming that's probably their best and even easiest option.

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: 1xokMaybe on some visit? I don't have Windows either, but I played at a relative's.

Almost no one in the family has a Windows PC. There is an old, half-broken laptop. I wouldn't enter my data there either.

In my case I think it's more likely that Steam detects Proton as Windows in some cases.

Strange I have never seen Steam misreport Proton. Have you maybe used GeForce Now to stream games?, Steam counts that as Windows.

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Quoting: CreakThe way I see it, Windows users are the beta testers, for once 😂

Would that make the macOS client the alpha test? 😋

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steam on linux will be 64 bit at some point. nice to have, but not so urgent for now, except for distros that dropped 32 bit packages.

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It is worth mentioning that with this version, Nvidia is discontinuing support for Pascal (GTX 10xx) and older architecture.

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I think they calculate proton to be part of the Steam client(with which I agree)

It's not, it's a separate component downloaded with the game.

while the 32 bit trickery of the windows api did come build in with Windows

I'm not sure what you're meaning. Even if it was necessary on Windows, doesn't mean it's necessary on Linux. Aren't Proton games even run in a container (pressure-vessel), so the host system doesn't matter that much.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

64-bit Wine could do it for years.

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Yeah I know what's interesting is I'm getting an option in steam to pair it I haven't seen that before this update

Quoting: kuhpunkt

Quoting: zany130Anyone get a strange new option under external gamepad settings after updating?

I wonder what it's for. Maybe new steam controller?

It's called "Pair an Ibex Controller over USB"

And clicking pair gives an error saying no steam controller is plugged in


Ibex is the new Steam Controller. Has been reported months ago.

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Quoting: spacemonkeyI would like to be able to wishlist games I already own, so I can gift them when they are discounted.

You could use https://isthereanydeal.com and make multiple categories for the waitlisted games to organize them. That would track them across multiple legit resellers as well as steam.

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I was hoping they would keep the $399 price point, but I think it was fairly clear from the moment they kept the LCD model around as the cheap option after launching the OLED model that they would eventually discontinue the LCD version.

It’s exactly the same tactic Apple has often used to obfuscate a price hike, by the time the old model with the attractive price is dropped without any replacement at that price point, the press have moved on.

With the AI bubble induced crisis in the cost of RAM and storage, now I’m just hoping they don’t increase the starting price of the OLED version.

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Sorry, what did you say? I was distracted by that absolutely amazing looking screenshot of a game I never heard of.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

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Quoting: StellaI should get through my massive backlog before buying anything new 😆

Me too.

I really hope the Steam Winter sale of 2046 will have some good sales.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: StellaI thought I read something somewhere about the 64-bit client being unable to launch 32-bit games?

PCGamingwiki says this about the Linux client:

User requests for a native 64-bit client have been denied by Valve on numerous occasions since 2014, purportedly since such a client would be unable to launch 32-bit games.

I wouldn't think so. Your 64 bit environment is able to start 32 bit Steam, why would the chain break if one more application is 64 bit?

64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.
I think they calculate proton to be part of the Steam client(with which I agree), while the 32 bit trickery of the windows api did come build in with Windows(Win 11 is trying to change this, but thanks to legacy applications like Steam this is currently being maintained)

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When they changed the language in the TOS like 5 months ago i freaked out. If the language is there then they can do whatever you want. The language was sufficiently vague enough to let them do whatever. At that point, after using the browser since it was called netscape, i walked.

I had enough of microsoft's BS, i was not about to let somebody else do whatever they wanted with me.

Up till then i was ok with FF. I could use addons, transfer my stored addresses. Even restore passwords. Great.

But in the end it took 5 min to replace FF with waterfox. Including all bookmarks settings and passwords. And i can still watch netflix.

Dont take your users for granted and in most cases users of firefox are the tech savvy kind.

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Glad I picked it up at 20% off, at £350 it's abit of a harder sell when the oled model is available for an extra £120

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Quoting: Shaddycat

Quoting: elmapulAI claim one more victim.
not that i wanted the LCD model anyway, but not only AI is taking people jobs now its making everything more expensive for the people who still have jobs.

What does AI have to do with the LCD model being discontinued? AI isn't affecting LCD production at all.

More likely people just weren't buying the LCD model enough to warrant the production costs for Valve.

i think the LCD model was sold at lost, but not the other ones, i'm not the only one who thinks that, someone did the math on how much those stuff cost (someone who work at this type of industry, i forgot the name of the person)

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Quoting: zany130Anyone get a strange new option under external gamepad settings after updating?

I wonder what it's for. Maybe new steam controller?

It's called "Pair an Ibex Controller over USB"

And clicking pair gives an error saying no steam controller is plugged in


Ibex is the new Steam Controller. Has been reported months ago.

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Quoting: Shaddycat

Quoting: elmapulAI claim one more victim.
not that i wanted the LCD model anyway, but not only AI is taking people jobs now its making everything more expensive for the people who still have jobs.

What does AI have to do with the LCD model being discontinued? AI isn't affecting LCD production at all.

More likely people just weren't buying the LCD model enough to warrant the production costs for Valve.

I imagine they're saying the rising cost of parts made the LCD models unreasonably expensive to produce given their price, hence why the other models remain. Which of course may or may not be true, but I'd believe it.

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Anyone get a strange new option under external gamepad settings after updating?

I wonder what it's for. Maybe new steam controller?

It's called "Pair an Ibex Controller over USB"

And clicking pair gives an error saying no steam controller is plugged in


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Excellent, that means I now own a Limited First Edition model! 😆 In thirty years it'll be 'retro' and 'hip' again when we're all use eye-implants that form images directly on our retinas!

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Quoting: CyrilDude, ahah! How many browsers have you tested?! 😄
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But if anyone of you have a comparison's site of all these browsers I'm still interested indeed, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!

hahah I work in video streaming tech, so I am deeply interested in browsers just in general :) Here you go I'll give you my personal feelings for them:
(btw all of these have no ai integration, I won't use a browser that does)

• Librewolf - firefox fork with a privacy focus as the core of it - sometimes a little too much. I was forced to undo some of its hardening to make basic sites work (maps for instance, some gaming sites, etc) which if you undo too much then ... ??? But overall it works really well, and it strips out all the mozilla fuckery from regular firefox like pocket, ai garbage, etc.


• Orion - completely custom build from the Kagi folks - based on webkit. This is so unique and I love it. Currently only avail for macos and ios, but linux build is coming soon. Privacy focused but softer I would say compared to Librewolf, which IMO is a good thing. I don't need to go undo a bunch of stuff to make basic sites work. One killer feature for me is the ability to make two completely separate icons in my macos dock for different profiles. So like I have a personal icon and a work icon, which opens two completely separate windows. Love this. I'm sure other browsers could do this, I just found it really easy with Orion. Once they release the linux build this will be the only browser I use on all devices.


• Zen Browser - I'm typing this comment from this browser right now. I feel .... meh ... about it. It's REALLY powerful in terms of features. But I think it's just a little too much in the feature set for me. Mostly I just want a browser to be private, have good extension support and then get the F out of the way. Zen does have good privacy and extensions but it also has an INSANE amount of power user features like compact mode, a ton of unique keyboard shortcuts, on and on and on. Which is cool and all but I'm not going to memorize a whole new slew of keyboard shortcuts for only my browser. And some of the features are so unique I can't really remember how to activate them when switching from my laptop to desktop for instance which is just frustrating. It's also vertical tabs ONLY, and I'm an ancient person, so I've never really gotten used to vertical tabs. I really should but ... ???


• Waterfox - have only basic testing experience with this one. I think some others might be able to comment better on it. It did work well in my testing.

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Quoting: LoftyMy version is the Flatpak, idk if that is any different from any other sources. Perhaps there was an update recently, i did check early yesterday.

thx

I'm using the AppImage myself. browser.ml.enable does default to false but, for some reason, mine was set to true. Don't know if I wasn't paying attention and set it to true by mistake or if it shipped that way. The only thing I import is the bookmarks. I always manually configure the settings and plugins.

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Quoting: adolsonFinally got around to buying Tunic. What a great game! Just finished it, and now working on Clair Obscur.

OMG have such a fun time. That was my game of the year in whatever year it came out. My friend and I played it coop on the couch on the big screen tv, and it was such a blast trying to decipher the manual and explore the world!

We loved it so much we both wound up buying the physical print manual.

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Quoting: StellaI thought I read something somewhere about the 64-bit client being unable to launch 32-bit games?

PCGamingwiki says this about the Linux client:

User requests for a native 64-bit client have been denied by Valve on numerous occasions since 2014, purportedly since such a client would be unable to launch 32-bit games.

I wouldn't think so. Your 64 bit environment is able to start 32 bit Steam, why would the chain break if one more application is 64 bit?

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I still have the OG 512 LCD with the "cumsock" and anti reflective coating.

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I thought I read something somewhere about the 64-bit client being unable to launch 32-bit games?

PCGamingwiki says this about the Linux client:

User requests for a native 64-bit client have been denied by Valve on numerous occasions since 2014, purportedly since such a client would be unable to launch 32-bit games.

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