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Quoting: syylkWayland needs a secure and backward compatible (which, unfortunately, rules out secure) way to manage global shortcuts and keypresses and viewport/video memory sharing.

These are two sore points of still incomplete feature parity with X11.

Yes, there are workarounds. Yes, the old ways were insecure by design. Yes, it's damn hard to provide these features to unmaintained software that expects stuff to work in a certain way.

But removing used/useful features is not exactly progress, no matter in name of what is being done.

I feel like there are so many ways to do this that could be fully backwards compatible.

The way KDE is mostly handling it right now is that XWayland apps can just fully listen to everything if you allow it, just like they could on X11.

No app changes necessary.

This could go further... give me a dashboard for the portal that allows me to pick specific apps. Discord can listen to all my keypresses, so i can use PTT. Now discord doesnt have to know if its in focus, or change any code to request anything, It just needs to know "when I see the keybind, i respond". No app changes necesary.

Then they could make that dashboard allow specific keys to pass to specific apps. Now instead of passing all my keys to discord, only my PTT key needs to go. Again, they dont need to know that they arent seeing global keypresses, they just need to know to respond to the keybind, which they will see without understanding why. No app changes necessary. Still fully backwards compatible.

And then all apps need is some sort of way to interact with this dashboard, so users don't need to go to a KDE dashboard to configure discord (or OBS, or etc), the app can say "oh my PTT keybind is now X, and I see the user is on wayland, I should make sure X is a keybind I can see globally"

And then taking it _even further_ it would be neat to allow the sharing to not be global. "This app overlay can only listen to my keybinds when the app it is an overlay for is focused." Steam gets around this by being the one who launches the game as a child process, so it can listen to the game keybinds in its overlay, but I have other apps that have 3rd party overlays that I _want_ to allow to listen to my keypresses when Im using the app, but not globally.

I believe for the most part, these things are sort of what KDE is currently doing... It has a way of requesting global shortcuts, which it adds to its global keybinds (the keybind for X becomes "send keystroke X to specified app"). However in my experience in the past, global DE keybinds tend to consume the keybind. If I want "control" to be my PTT button, I dont want discord to consume all control keypresses. I want discord to see control being pressed, but I dont want it to be THE control handler.

The whole interface is currently a bit clunky. But it at least works. I had an app surprise me by popping up the KDE portal requesting a global keybind map. I can find these in the KDE `System Settings > Keyboard > Shortcuts > System Services > org.chromium.Chromium` config (the app that prompted me to set things up was an electron app).

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Quoting: EikeBut, to be honest: If you're not playing in the first place, do you thing Steam Deck will change that?

That's a good question. I've read a fair number of comments and reviews from people saying that being able to just pick up the Steam Deck and play a game, rather than sitting down at a full-on desktop PC, somehow made it easier for them to find time to play. I'm also wondering if having the extra device will mean I can more easily play multiplayer games with friends/family at home. But I'm also not sure, which is one reason why I'm thinking of the (relatively) low-end LCD model (if I get one at all) rather than splashing out on the OLED.

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Love seeing Embracer go down. Good for Cryptic to be free again. They made some really decent games back then, when they were still independent. Maybe they can again.

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Wayland has some interesting issues, and most of them can be resolved by switching to x11, but the most important thing in life is to have the Wayland Plasma Wiggle Mouse feature enabled.

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I think this is good news and definitely the right call by the developers. It still leaves over a year for the last remaining issues (or whatever justifies keeping X11 around) to be ironed out, and means that developer time can be freed up to making a better desktop overall, and even beyond that LTS distributions will no doubt still offer it for a few more years.

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How repairable are the Slimbook laptops? The only spec that kind of sticks out as not great is the WiFi card, but if it's replaceable that isn't a huge issue.

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Quoting: ElectricPrismRedHat and therefore IBM are terrible stewards of Xorg, which lead to the forking and creation of XLibre, which unlike Xorg is __NOT__ on "life support" with people trying to kill the project.

I've now read about Wayland for 15 years, and it still has basic issues according to conjecture.

Viva La X

More Choices, More Better.

I can understand some Linux users not being informed on such issues but not developers. The fact is, it's been known for years that X was in maintenance/end of life mode. That XLibre developer knew this or should have known this, but made a big stink anyway.

As for Wayland, I use it everyday (with nvidia) with KDE/Plasma6 and I do play some games without issues on Steam.

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Wayland needs a secure and backward compatible (which, unfortunately, rules out secure) way to manage global shortcuts and keypresses and viewport/video memory sharing.

These are two sore points of still incomplete feature parity with X11.

Yes, there are workarounds. Yes, the old ways were insecure by design. Yes, it's damn hard to provide these features to unmaintained software that expects stuff to work in a certain way.

But removing used/useful features is not exactly progress, no matter in name of what is being done.

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Quoting: scaineDisolver Group.

I was thinking Divester Group.

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Quoting: Linux_RocksUgh, I forgot that IBM owns Red Hat now. Even more of a reason to never touch Fedora ever again...

Hey, could be a lot worse. Could be Oracle.

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Poke your eyes out?
. . . Just how close were you planning to get?

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Quoting: phil995511Rolling-release or semi-rolling-release packages often cause far too many problems for end users because they release new packages without even bothering to test them ;-(

Personally, I refuse to be treated like a beta tester of buggy software solutions. If you're leaving Windows, it's not to encounter the same instability problems under Linux... ;-(

Well, openSUSE Tumbleweed is a rolling release distro and this is not true for them.
Is very common for they to delay updates for days or weeks when they detect that something is not ready.

Most of times, after some big updates for very common used things (like desktop environment, MESA, and etc.) you can find the latest version on Arch Linux and even on Fedora since the day one, but for Tumbleweed you need to wait a day or two because of the tests.

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My labor of love game... again... No Man's Sky

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That's frustrating that Embracer retained the Remnant IP. They'll likely run it into the ground.

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Quoting: Cyberworm

Quoting: Tethys84I stopped voting in these a while back. I just don't see why it matters. Why does anyone care what the game of the year is? Whats the incentive? I'd rather spend my time playing the games than care about who gets what award.

Sharing your nominations with friends, comparing them and maybe find games you haven't considered playing before. It's basically a quick and easy way to recommend games to others

I don't have friends. But I can't imagine I'd care even if I did. You'd think that gamer friends of a gamer would know about all these games too.

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Quoting: natis1It's very pretty but my god is the gameplay miserable. I couldn't play it for more than an hour.

Can you elaborate? Was it too clunky or simple? Did the game feel too high level? Sorry to ask so many questions, I just got a blip of hope from the trailer.

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I’ve got to hand it to the video game industry, making people pay to beta test a free-to-play game is a baller move.

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Rolling-release or semi-rolling-release packages often cause far too many problems for end users because they release new packages without even bothering to test them ;-(

Btw it is common practice to only update to Nth release of Fedora when N+1th release comes out (so you should stay on 42 until 44 is out, then update to 43), and this is what ublue does by default iirc, their default recommended download is always one version behind Fedora. On the other hand, because Fedora is semi-rolling, I'm not really sure how effective this is, but it probably is, since people do that.

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Whew, must've missed this one whenever it happened.
Turns out, laziness in updating pays !

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It's very pretty but my god is the gameplay miserable. I couldn't play it for more than an hour.

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Visually it has 10 times more appeal to me than Warframe. I will be following it closely

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I remain confident Fedora will find ways to muck it up even with a system in place to prevent mucking it up.

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The mesa update was this one: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-82b66363b4 (it's linked in the chatter link in the article inside the forum post).

It has multiple people saying it was broken, and was still pushed out.

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Did I miss a big Fedora update with Mesa issues? I was still stuck on Fedora 42 until yesterday so I probably missed it. Turns out that it didn't want to update while Wine was installed.

Having a special interest group for stability sounds like a good idea though. Ubuntu has a lot of design choices I don't agree with, Mint and Debian don't update quick enough and GarudArch is too unstable for my daily driver, but Fedora's got a good balance of stability and new packages without having a load of Ubuntuisms that I don't really agree with.

Between the AI and the 32-bit fiasco I've kind of been losing trust in Fedora, but I do want to stick with them if I can. If I do end up distrohopping again however then I'm probably off to Debian land. The more I use that distro on my teritiary older computer, the more I find myself liking it.

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Hmmm KDE Neon.... Well it's easy to replace if you don't want it!

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I had Fedora installed (in addition to Steam OS) on my living room mini PC, which is 100% AMD and connected to my TV.

My daughter and I wanted to watch a movie the other day. Apparently, the Mesa update was causing stuttering when watching the movie with VLC or any other video player.

I rebooted the PC into Steam OS so I could watch the movie smoothly without any issues. Later, I removed Fedora and installed Debian instead...

Rolling-release or semi-rolling-release packages often cause far too many problems for end users because they release new packages without even bothering to test them ;-(

Personally, I refuse to be treated like a beta tester of buggy software solutions. If you're leaving Windows, it's not to encounter the same instability problems under Linux... ;-(

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Quoting: Pyrate

Quoting: ScottCarammell

Quoting: legluondunetIs wayland mature today for a day by day use and for a gamer config?

Alien: Isolation crashes on startup

I played Alien: Isolation start to finish on Wayland last year. Could be something else youre facing, or a recent regression.

Using AMD for my PC. Consistently crashed on my PC and on Steam Deck in gaming mode (both wayland), but worked fine on those same systems on X11 and desktop mode (both x11). This has been the case since the Steam Deck launched and is why it uses Proton by default. I feel confident in calling it a Wayland-origin issue.

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My picks:

GOTY: Digimon Story Time Stranger (DSTS)
VR GOTY: Assetto Corsa Rally (ACR)
Labour of Love: X4 Foundations
Best on Deck: DSTS
Friends: ACR
Visual Style: Stories from Sol The Gun-Dog
Gameplay: ACR
Game I Suck At: ACR
Soundtrack: DSTS
Story: DSTS
Relax: Seeds of Calamity

As you can see, there were two games released this year which I really like and I wear my heart on my sleeve.

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Disolver Group.

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I'm tempted to get the LCD model with the 20% discount, to try out the concept of a Steam Deck without spending too much. This is because I don't know if I'll really have any time to play (I've barely gamed at all in the last few years, even after buying games I was really keen to play). My main concern is fan noise, and disturbing people in the same room. Do the current LCD models have the quieter fan, or is it still random whether I'll get a noisy one? And is the OLED model any quieter, apart from all the other improved features?

I just tried with Shadow Of War, and I can hardly hear my Steam Deck. AFAIR, they had a software update for the problematic fan type. I don't know if they're still using it.

Steam Deck LED is good.

But, to be honest: If you're not playing in the first place, do you thing Steam Deck will change that?

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