More Tomes of Mephistopheles updates!

Sad to see that they're struggling to sell a measly 3000. I feel like buying a second copy just to distance myself from the jerks over on Phoronix :/

I haven't read the Phoronix article but the title alone annoyed me when it popped up in my twitter feed, the guy can be such a moron.

Edit > Read the article Alex himself actually mentioned about the poor sales so Phoronix this time is just re-iterating their own words it's not actually Phoronix being jerks for once.

It wasn't the article so much as the comment thread. motorsep was basically threatening to throw in the towel when it comes to Linux support...

Just quickly scanning over the comments now.

I get a bit of what people are saying, it has been shown a little early with barely anything to it, still it looks good though, i will be buying it once it is more complete so i can do something with my purchase....and when i have money spare...

People comparing it to skyrim though...lolwut skyrim had how much of a budget and how many people?! Some people expect far too much.

No matter what the posters over at phoronix are saying, motorsep's response was probably the worst way to react to the thread.

No matter what the posters over at phoronix are saying, motorsep's response was probably the worst way to react to the thread.

Indeed, never feed the trolls.

I know that :) But I just couldn't believe that trolls are so hungry to give us some junk comments. I haven't seen Linux folks trolling in English as much, before Phoronix's forums, as I saw it in Russian here http://www.linux.org.ru/

Anyhow, we are not dropping Linux support. It was said to piss off trolls more :P So ToM and SS2 are on Linux 100%

Thank you for your support guys!

No matter what the posters over at phoronix are saying, motorsep's response was probably the worst way to react to the thread.

Why is that if you don't mind me asking? I am so tired to hear all these people who surf Inet all day, troll us and do nothing productive for the community.

Well, since you ask, the truth is that I read through the entire thread, and while they were not expressing themselves in the best way possible (they were being jerks/trolls/whatever), their main concern was that the video and the game didn't have much to show at this point.

I think that your post was posted while you were pissed off at the comments. While I can definitely understand how you felt at that point (I bet you were really pissed at the "they threw it all together in a week" style comments), I think you should have focused more on what they were saying instead on how they were saying it. So, in your response you should try to address relevant issues mentioned (that not much was revealed by the video at that point) while ignoring the obviously spiteful ones in a more calm way. After all, your goal isn't to beat the trolls at their own game, you should be trying to win them over.

As for the nothing productive part, I have to confess that I personally had no idea that you guys would follow these threads so much. I mean it makes sense now, but when I first posted on the relevant thread in this site it never crossed my mind that the developers might actually read what I'm saying. Same as me, many others are used to the idea that most comments will go unheard of, so you should expect to see unproductive comments all the time. As you can see for your self, the thread took a different turn right after your post, where replies were trying to rationalize previous posts and in a way got more productive. The same happened at the relevant thread in this site. But in phoronix the later replies are focused more on your reaction instead of the problems with the game presentation which they saw.

I'm not sure is my post sounds preachy or aggressive in any way, I can never tell, but I really hope it doesn't.

Just to be sure, here's a smiley :p

oh btw, if you haven't seen this already:

Some news on modding and scripting in Tomes of Mephistopheles for anyone interested: http://www.kot-in-action.com/content/?p=350

Looks good to me Beherit. I read through most of the comment thread too, personally I didn't see any trolls, they were just people with legit opinions I thought. I actually felt it was more or less an intelligent discussion, as good as you can have on the internet.

I think you should look at the good side here motorstep, that there's a 6 page long thread of people talking about you game, which is hardly a bad thing.

I like the look of the shock wave after the explosions. It's a nice touch.

Thanks! :)

posted this in the Alpha #1 thread as there was no #2 yet :)

Alpha #2:

1- I would really appreciate some sort of log or readme about what is new/added/changed, right now its just a mail that I can download it but not what has changed or what you wanted tested....
2- where to report bugs or results ? I can't find a readme about that so hence post it here again.
3- door bug still remains
4- locked doors making me dig around them with bombs, think that is new (or did I miss that in A1), cool though
5- new stuff in the dungeon, pillars, lowered floors, again seems new but maybe I was just unlucky on A1 with the random map, either way, looks good

Wao, Motorsep...

I am really getting dissapointed with you.

Defence, like, 'open source project devs were saying my project looked better than theirs' doesn't say much.

While Phoronix does wake up trolls, just because someone is trolling you - doesn't automatically make them wrong. That's for starter. Second of all, trolling trolls back, how exactly does it make you any better?

And third of all...
REMOVED - we are an english speaking website, please do not use other languages.

Changelog in there on the game's site, all the updates are mentioned in it.

I am the developer, not PR guru. If I were one, I would not be indie game developer, would I ?

I think customers are so spoiled by this "customer is always right" idea that thy lost common sense. I know that only few people really understand what it takes to make a game on such scale having only 2 people on board. So all this trolling, aka "feedback" comes from the lack of common sense. And that fine, you can defend trolls or your point of view on how I deal with customers.

Customers pay $60 for AAA games, and no one listens to them. They still keep on buying these $60 games.

We do listen to constructive feedback and we do add features community ask for. We did that for Steel Storm.

I guess I am in the wrong business because I will never accept "customer is always right" concept of the capitalistic world.

Double Fine got $2 millions without even having a game in production. No one questions them. And don't tell me that they made many good games. Every great company can make crappy game. History knows plenty of examples. We are asking for way less than that, offering playable game, and that's what we get?

Kot-in-Action will shut its "doors" in April if we continue seeing such "support". Our game will come out "when it's done", no matter how long it will take.

here I go again.. who cares, right? just another greedy indie will shut down.

Again not doing yourself any favours Alex, your right you are not a PR guru...don't you think that means you should try a little less of it, since it is getting noticed quite a lot now that your feeding trolls?

Comments like "we will drop support", "we will shut down" etc don't paint you in a very good light.

As much as i like your games and appreciated you commenting and visiting us here, i hope you don't take my comments the wrong way but you are putting yourself in a bad light here.

I will close this thread for a day or so to let everyone cool off and learn to respect eachother.

Think before you post people.