Leadwerks 3.1 In Beta With Early Linux Builds Available

Awesome news!

They got it backwards. The case-insensitive nature of other OSes is the issue here :P

more than just marketing speak????  i suggest that you look closer... look at the forum... not one negative critique, not one critical  comment to be found...  but i forgot, most of the relevant stuff on the forum is hidden from public view...  even those with access will attest that like his own mini totalitarian state run press, all critical comments are censored out, and the poster (usually a licensed user) is banned... the kickstarter campaign was filled with deceptive hype, videos showing scenes from projects made with he graphically superior previous version, scenes which the current graphically devolved version couldn't come close to rendering...  i suggest that you open your eyes... take a close look at the demo... then look for other options... i bought into the Leadwerks promise years ago with Leadwerks 2... that promise has been abandoned with total disregard... my opinion is that the linux crowd will get more of the same... at a substantially higher price point...

It definitely sounds like you yourself didn't read up on everything before going in. 

i've been a Leadwerks licensee for many years... looks like you're the one who didn't read things completely...

So....you mentioned most of that stuff last time you ranted. Any proof this time? 

proof of what... that those videos weren't made with Leadwerks 3, or proof that Leadwerks 3 isn't able to make those sorta graphics... get off your behind and check the facts out for yourself... download the trial and see what you can do for yourself... rant... you may see it like that... you probably also believe in Santa Claus and Bigfoot... that's your privilege... i'm just trying to cut through the b.s... for those who want facts instead of fiction...

I'm not a part of the Leadwerks forums, I don't spend time there, but most guidelines are summed up along the lines of "don't insult, don't be rude". If someone ranted like above consistently in their forums, I wouldn't be surprised to see the posts removed.

true... you're not part of the forums, therefore you do not know what is going on there...  many long time supporters of Leadwerks who have dared to critique some aspect of Leadwerks have had their posts removed... and been banned when they dared complain... they were polite... they weren't rude... maybe people like you who have such sensitive sensibilities shouldn't be advising normal people how to respond to posts... eh...

 So, to close up, I understand if you feel the need to rant on, but you really won't get anywhere by it. Perhaps you don't realise, but you sound like a child throwing a tantrum. Much better to have a mature discussion - if you can't see how to word things better, I can offer suggestions.

contrary to what you say, you don't seem to understand anything above... it's a fact based assessment from someone who has first hand knowledge, from someone who has paid to license the software, and from someone who has been programming since the days of the ole C-64, TI-99/4A, AppleII, Osborn, etc... intended to cut through the hype and give the facts to those who are prospective licensees in the Linux community...  you don't believe me, then feel free to go ahead and spend your money for a license... join the forum, where you can see all the comments, meet all the people... go behind the wall and  find out first hand the facts instead of the spin... then you'll be in a better position to judge my comments than you are in now...

Leadwerks is about to release 3.1, with much improved graphics than 3.0... still no terrain editor facilities for placing trees and such as there was in Leadwerks 2, but on the surface it looks a lot better than what was debuted in that "Darkness Awaits" thing...  still, I must ask... after 3 years of progress, and for a lot more money... does this 

(latest from graphic preview)  look better than this  (below)



(from Leadwerks 2 map 3 years ago)...  

also, and on related, a question from a member of the forum (which will probably be deleted or hidden from public view) 

"Just curious : how will work LE3 updates for people not updating (or updating later ).
Will serious physics and other bug fix beeing reported into 3.0 updater?
Will some general editor improvements beeing reported into 3.0?
Or must people be forced to update?"

the answer, if given, will shed some insight into what's actually happening at leadwerks...

I see no proof still. At all. An opinionated rant again.

since you won't say what proof you want, nor will you get up and download the Leadwerks 3 trial and compare it for yourself, i'll take the time to prove to you the points i made above... but ilm doing it not just for you, but for all the prospective licensees out there who are considering parting with their hard earned monies based in the spin they are seeing... maybe they, unlike you, will be able see the facts behind the spin...

1 - look at the picture in the Kickstarter campaign... can ya see the promise of making games with Leadwerks on Linux.also ..  can ya see the forest and the trees in the screenshot... can ya see the grass... the skybox and clouds...  doesn't that give you the impression that you'll be able to make scenes like the one pictured with Leadwerks 3... after all, you could in the Leadwerks2 editor...

As a matter of fact, this scene was taken from a Leadwerks2 project...  Unfortunately, despite giving the impression that this is a scene from Leadwerks 3, and that you'll be able to do this in Leadwerks 3, the fact is that Leadwerks 3.0 is incapable of making such scenes... THERE IS NO TERRAIN EDITOR, NO TERRAIN AT ALL in Leadwerks 3.0... PERIOD...  

Leadwerks 3 is graphically devolved version, incapable of the graphics you see above that was possible in Leadwerks 2... download the trial and see for yourself... find a skybox in the trial...




That's just one proof of spin vs. facts (there's more)...

Now if dat aint proof enough for ya... wait a few more days,  Leadwerks for Linux will be out on the sixth of January... then, if there's a trial version, try to come close to the scene depicted above... hahahahahahaaaa... 

better yet, take a look at some chatter from the forum... exactly along the same lines as what i'm saying...

nate066 asks, on Dec 26
"Does Leadwerks 3.1 have the ability to place trees and flowers. I think Leadwerks 2 had this feature"
josh abswers:
"Not yet, but it uses GPU instancing which makes repeating geometry like that faster"

weeeeeeeee  :)  :) 

PROOF #2 

two images from the Kickstarter ad...  the top one from a game cakked Hoodwinks... made with Leadwerks2, graphics not possible in Leadwerks 3.0   the one immediately above from another Leadwerks 2 game, Combat Helicopter... also with graphics not doable in Leadwerks3...  

in the video clip you also see sequences from a zombie first person shooter made with Leadwerks2, not 3... with visual aspect not possible in Leadwerks3.0

as a matter of fact, the only sequence in the clip that was made with Leadwerks 3.0 is from the Darkness Awaits demo... compare that with some of the stuff you see made from the previous version...  HULLO!!!

now in all fairness, the pending update improves on the graphics bringing it closer to the capabilities of the previous version... but, and YOU WILL SEE THIS JAN 6th, there is no capability for the terrain editor to add trees, grass, etc as in the previous version...

ALL OF THE PROOF YOU NEED WILL BE AVAILABLE IN A FEW DAYS... 

it's funny to see that you're enjoying poking holes in someone's attempt to show the facts as opposed to going along with the party line when the party line is deceptive and misleading...  i don't understand why... maybe you have stock in Leadwerks, or maybe you're just a fanboy... whatever the reason for your gullibility...

Not one critical comment is available on the public forum... have ya ever wondered how this could be... is Leadwerks perfect :)
or is it more likely that any critical questions or comments are removed... 

all press releases strictly controlled... this guy has followed me (and others) around the net trying to remove any critiques of his deceptive advertising practices in this latest occurrences...  IT'S COMMON TACTICS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO CONTROL NEWS AND OPINION TO DISCREDIT THE CHARACTER OF HIS/HER DETRACTORS...

I COULDN'T GO AROUND SAYING THESE THINGS PUBLICLY IF THEY WEREN'T TRUE... 

think about it... or don't, these comments aren't being made for the benefit of you in particular...  but for the prospective licensee... so that they'll have some insight from an experienced Leadwerks licensee...

Just FYI I did get an email from a Leadwerks rep to ask me to remove posts like those. I refused since no post so far has done more than try to explain differences between the versions.

Take from that what you will, but it does seem like they are trying to silence critics.

GOL comments are free speech, until it's attacking someone.

Take from that what you will, but it does seem like they are trying to silence critics

finally... 

that's all i'm trying to point out...

and sure, some of the stuff is doable... a reasonably competent coder can code in the forest and foliage... i can add shadered effects myself...  but, AT LEAST LEADWERKS 2 EDITOR HAD THIS CAPABILITY...  and, those screenies give the impression that Leadwerks 3.0 can do this in its editor, which was a selling point of the previous versions editor... IT CANNOT.. 

and that's exactly what i'm trying to show (amongst other things)...  the FACTS... that's all...

and it seems as if the facts differ a bit from the ad hype and spin... and when the Josh actively campaigns to quiet down any fact based critique, then the prospective licensee should be made aware of these facts... in spite of the campaign to silence him...

THANKS  for not doing so...

noone is having a tantrum... your descriptions are overly dramatic... maybe you should consider calming down and view the comments in a more objective manner...  

i've been doing this sorta stuff for a while now, programming... both professionally and as a business... my first software was released in 1985...  i've seen this sorta stuff before, people trying to manipulate and control printed media so that they can say anything they like... no matter how close to the line it teeters on...

how is the fact that the Leadwerks 3 editor does not support terrain, trees, foliage an opinion...

how is the fact that Hoodwinks wasn't made with Leadwerks 3 an opinion...

how is the fact that scenes depicted in the other segments of the promo video were made with Leadwerks 2 and not Leadwerks 3 an opinion...

these are facts, which should be made clear if these scenes are being used to promote a version of Leadwerks which does not have these capabilities...

re: grass, etc: the last info i got (from the forum) is that tree and grass placement wont appear in the upcoming 3.1 release... 

in a response from a status question, "does Leadwerks 3.1 have the ability to place trees and flowers", josh lint said "not yet"... so i guess that'll be on the todo list for 3.2 or another service update...

this WAS part of Leadwerks 2 editor, and i'm certain that more than a few licensees would live to see it included...