Today is a good day. I had the pleasure of speaking to Feral Interactive on their porting work for the Linux version of XCOM and games in general and here it is in all its glory.
Can you introduce yourself and tell us what you do at Feral?
My name is Edwin Smith and I am Head of Production at Feral. My main job is to facilitate other people’s work. Most of my time is spent co-ordinating our internal developers and QA with the companies with whom we work. The aim is to make sure that there is a good flow of communication, so that we avoid misunderstandings and hopefully head off problems before they arise.
Why did Feral decide to get into Linux?
The catalyst has been the Steam OS and the Steam Machine. That convinced us that Linux could support AAA games.
OS X is a UNIX-based platform so from a development perspective Linux feels like a natural extension of what we already do as Mac developers. We also felt that a lot of the experience that we had in publishing for the Mac and marketing to and providing support for smaller audiences would be applicable to Linux.
So, essentially without SteamOS & Steam Machines Feral wouldn't be porting games to Linux?
The scope and quality of Linux gaming have been steadily improving for a few years. However, Valve’s decision to use Linux for SteamOS was in our view a big validation, and certainly made the decision to develop for Linux easier.
For a company just getting into Linux what roadblocks did you encounter in bringing XCOM to Linux?
No roadblocks, just a few speed bumps ;-). A few things are different, for example 64bit support. 32bit libraries are no longer the default on Linux as they are for Windows and OSX. That means the game has to be updated to be 64bit clean.
Is the port just to confirm properly a 100% native port? So, no wrappers (Wine, eON, Crossover etc)?
This is a 100% native application. Just like our Mac games, all our Linux games will be 100% native. We never use WINE, Crossover etc style wrapper technology. Promise!
We avoid wrappers because we believe they do not allow for the same level of platform-specific tailoring that native ports do, so they don’t often provide gamers with the best experience that the platform – and the game - can provide.
Making a native application allows us to give the game that extra bit of platform specific polish.
Two examples in XCOM:
- We modified the videos to use VP8 on Linux, as that was the best codec to use.
- We wrote a Linux-specific pre-game launcher for the Complete Edition of XCOM that allows you to choose between the main game or the expansion pack, XCOM: Enemy Within. We rewrote it for Linux to support Big Picture mode (with HD graphics) and gamepads.
XCOM for Linux has lots of small changes like these, all of which contribute to making the Linux version feel like it has taken advantage of everything the platform has to offer.
And, once the game is released we are committed to maintaining it based on feedback from the community.
What tools are you using in porting XCOM to Linux?
We use a large number of tools and custom libraries during development. A few examples are: QTCreator, gedit, CMake, apitrace, systemtap, perf, git-svn, meld, libvpx, SDL2 and webm. We also have our own custom libraries designed to help game development on Linux
What do you think about Steam Machines and SteamOS and what it means for the future of PC gaming?
The Steam Machines and SteamOS have great potential as an alternative to Windows, but it's a braver man than me who will forecast how that is going to play out.
What sort of sales numbers are you expecting from the Linux crowd given that many may already own it?
For now we're more focused on the reception that a native Linux port of XCOM gets from Linux gamers than the sales. We are committed to bringing AAA games to Linux and making sure those games are completely awesome to play on the Linux platform; if we do a good job of that then over time we trust that the sales will follow.
The game is currently 64bit only. Is there a certain reason this was done and will a 32bit version come?
The latest Linux distibutions are primarily 64bit, and libraries are increasingly being developed and maintained in 64bit. In gaming terms, we’re seeing more and more 64bit-only games released for Linux, so overall we think 32bit has a limited future in AAA gaming.
As our first game for Linux, the decisions we made about the hardware and software XCOM supports have long-term implications. Since it was apparent to us that 64bit is the future and that 32bit is being phased out, we decided to support only 64bit from the beginning.
Although we have had a few requests for 32bit support, we’re unlikely to support it.
We asked about the tools used to port the game, but what about the platform? Were you able to develop any of it on Linux directly or was Linux more of a testing environment?
The entire development process, from alpha to the final release build, took place on Linux. Having developers run the OS they are targeting is key to attaining the best gaming experience.
It also helps that everyone on the Linux team at Feral were either keen Linux users before they started working on the project or adopted Linux as their primary platform during the development process. This means they get what Linux is about. We wanted the game to be more than just a Windows (or Mac) application dropped into Linux, we wanted to optimize it for Linux as much as we could.
This relates to your earlier question about wrappers. Because XCOM for Linux is a native application that is optimized for the platform at a source code rather than just a runtime level, it can be adapted to Linux’ usability conventions and features, not just its technical features (such as OpenGL).
What's your position on open-source GPU drivers (radeon, nouveau) vs. proprietary drivers (catalyst, nv) on Linux?
It depends on the drivers, and what works best for the project in question.
For example, XCOM only officially supports the proprietary Linux drivers for AMD and NVIDIA cards. Although some users have been able to play with the open source drivers, we have found they are not as stable. They are also missing some features that the closed source drivers have, so we aren't offering official support right now.
However, XCOM does support the open-source Mesa drivers for Intel cards, and we actually logged and fixed a bug in the driver during the development of XCOM.
Although we are open to supporting more open source drivers in the future, our immediate goal is to get great performance and stability in complex 3D environments and for that, the open source drivers for AMD and NVIDIA cards aren't quite there yet.
That said, we hope that the combination of more AAA games coming to Linux, the feedback we give and receive and the efforts of the Linux community will mean that the open source drivers keep improving in the future.
When you say you are committed to bringing AAA games to Linux, does that mean you are already working on more ports?
That's the plan! Although I can't give you any clues about what's next in line, I can say that the coming year should be a good one for Linux gamers!
How have you felt the reception has been for the port so far?
So far we are extremely pleased with the reception from Linux gamers and for the amazing community spirit on forums. We have learnt a lot from them and are using that knowledge to make sure that our future Linux releases are as good as they can be.
Any words of wisdom for developers looking to port to Linux?
Here are a few short points I think would be helpful to anyone thinking about it:
1. Develop on the platform for the platform. This helps you debug on the hardware / software that people will be playing on.
2. Decide early on what hardware and software you want to officially support; there are lots of hardware and software configurations. For an initial release, it is arguably better to have a small list of officially supported set-ups that offer great performance than a large list that you aren't able to QA and fully optimise. You can always extend the official support at a later date.
3. Polish, and hold your nerve. It's worth spending the time to make sure the game you eventually release is one that you are proud of. People will forgive a delayed release, they won't forgive a buggy one.
4. Engage the community. The Linux gaming crowd are enthusiastic, knowledgeable and helpful. We have already had a lot great feedback on XCOM, which has really helped us to understand what the community values.
5. Don't be scared, penguins don't bite!
Many thanks to everyone at Feral (special thanks to Brad Gibson for sorting the interview out and Edwin of course for answering!) for the port and for future ports to come, it was really great to speak to them about everything and I think we are onto a winner with these guys. It's extremely refreshing to have such a good developer supporting Linux, and this is another thing we have Valve to thank for.
What port would you like to see come from them next and how are you enjoying XCOM? Let us know! Sadly I've had very little time to play it, but the first mission was very smooth for me!
Final note: XCOM is still 50%, so grab your wallets and grab it on Steam now!
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Can you introduce yourself and tell us what you do at Feral?
My name is Edwin Smith and I am Head of Production at Feral. My main job is to facilitate other people’s work. Most of my time is spent co-ordinating our internal developers and QA with the companies with whom we work. The aim is to make sure that there is a good flow of communication, so that we avoid misunderstandings and hopefully head off problems before they arise.
Why did Feral decide to get into Linux?
The catalyst has been the Steam OS and the Steam Machine. That convinced us that Linux could support AAA games.
OS X is a UNIX-based platform so from a development perspective Linux feels like a natural extension of what we already do as Mac developers. We also felt that a lot of the experience that we had in publishing for the Mac and marketing to and providing support for smaller audiences would be applicable to Linux.
So, essentially without SteamOS & Steam Machines Feral wouldn't be porting games to Linux?
The scope and quality of Linux gaming have been steadily improving for a few years. However, Valve’s decision to use Linux for SteamOS was in our view a big validation, and certainly made the decision to develop for Linux easier.
For a company just getting into Linux what roadblocks did you encounter in bringing XCOM to Linux?
No roadblocks, just a few speed bumps ;-). A few things are different, for example 64bit support. 32bit libraries are no longer the default on Linux as they are for Windows and OSX. That means the game has to be updated to be 64bit clean.
Is the port just to confirm properly a 100% native port? So, no wrappers (Wine, eON, Crossover etc)?
This is a 100% native application. Just like our Mac games, all our Linux games will be 100% native. We never use WINE, Crossover etc style wrapper technology. Promise!
We avoid wrappers because we believe they do not allow for the same level of platform-specific tailoring that native ports do, so they don’t often provide gamers with the best experience that the platform – and the game - can provide.
Making a native application allows us to give the game that extra bit of platform specific polish.
Two examples in XCOM:
- We modified the videos to use VP8 on Linux, as that was the best codec to use.
- We wrote a Linux-specific pre-game launcher for the Complete Edition of XCOM that allows you to choose between the main game or the expansion pack, XCOM: Enemy Within. We rewrote it for Linux to support Big Picture mode (with HD graphics) and gamepads.
XCOM for Linux has lots of small changes like these, all of which contribute to making the Linux version feel like it has taken advantage of everything the platform has to offer.
And, once the game is released we are committed to maintaining it based on feedback from the community.
What tools are you using in porting XCOM to Linux?
We use a large number of tools and custom libraries during development. A few examples are: QTCreator, gedit, CMake, apitrace, systemtap, perf, git-svn, meld, libvpx, SDL2 and webm. We also have our own custom libraries designed to help game development on Linux
What do you think about Steam Machines and SteamOS and what it means for the future of PC gaming?
The Steam Machines and SteamOS have great potential as an alternative to Windows, but it's a braver man than me who will forecast how that is going to play out.
What sort of sales numbers are you expecting from the Linux crowd given that many may already own it?
For now we're more focused on the reception that a native Linux port of XCOM gets from Linux gamers than the sales. We are committed to bringing AAA games to Linux and making sure those games are completely awesome to play on the Linux platform; if we do a good job of that then over time we trust that the sales will follow.
The game is currently 64bit only. Is there a certain reason this was done and will a 32bit version come?
The latest Linux distibutions are primarily 64bit, and libraries are increasingly being developed and maintained in 64bit. In gaming terms, we’re seeing more and more 64bit-only games released for Linux, so overall we think 32bit has a limited future in AAA gaming.
As our first game for Linux, the decisions we made about the hardware and software XCOM supports have long-term implications. Since it was apparent to us that 64bit is the future and that 32bit is being phased out, we decided to support only 64bit from the beginning.
Although we have had a few requests for 32bit support, we’re unlikely to support it.
We asked about the tools used to port the game, but what about the platform? Were you able to develop any of it on Linux directly or was Linux more of a testing environment?
The entire development process, from alpha to the final release build, took place on Linux. Having developers run the OS they are targeting is key to attaining the best gaming experience.
It also helps that everyone on the Linux team at Feral were either keen Linux users before they started working on the project or adopted Linux as their primary platform during the development process. This means they get what Linux is about. We wanted the game to be more than just a Windows (or Mac) application dropped into Linux, we wanted to optimize it for Linux as much as we could.
This relates to your earlier question about wrappers. Because XCOM for Linux is a native application that is optimized for the platform at a source code rather than just a runtime level, it can be adapted to Linux’ usability conventions and features, not just its technical features (such as OpenGL).
What's your position on open-source GPU drivers (radeon, nouveau) vs. proprietary drivers (catalyst, nv) on Linux?
It depends on the drivers, and what works best for the project in question.
For example, XCOM only officially supports the proprietary Linux drivers for AMD and NVIDIA cards. Although some users have been able to play with the open source drivers, we have found they are not as stable. They are also missing some features that the closed source drivers have, so we aren't offering official support right now.
However, XCOM does support the open-source Mesa drivers for Intel cards, and we actually logged and fixed a bug in the driver during the development of XCOM.
Although we are open to supporting more open source drivers in the future, our immediate goal is to get great performance and stability in complex 3D environments and for that, the open source drivers for AMD and NVIDIA cards aren't quite there yet.
That said, we hope that the combination of more AAA games coming to Linux, the feedback we give and receive and the efforts of the Linux community will mean that the open source drivers keep improving in the future.
When you say you are committed to bringing AAA games to Linux, does that mean you are already working on more ports?
That's the plan! Although I can't give you any clues about what's next in line, I can say that the coming year should be a good one for Linux gamers!
How have you felt the reception has been for the port so far?
So far we are extremely pleased with the reception from Linux gamers and for the amazing community spirit on forums. We have learnt a lot from them and are using that knowledge to make sure that our future Linux releases are as good as they can be.
Any words of wisdom for developers looking to port to Linux?
Here are a few short points I think would be helpful to anyone thinking about it:
1. Develop on the platform for the platform. This helps you debug on the hardware / software that people will be playing on.
2. Decide early on what hardware and software you want to officially support; there are lots of hardware and software configurations. For an initial release, it is arguably better to have a small list of officially supported set-ups that offer great performance than a large list that you aren't able to QA and fully optimise. You can always extend the official support at a later date.
3. Polish, and hold your nerve. It's worth spending the time to make sure the game you eventually release is one that you are proud of. People will forgive a delayed release, they won't forgive a buggy one.
4. Engage the community. The Linux gaming crowd are enthusiastic, knowledgeable and helpful. We have already had a lot great feedback on XCOM, which has really helped us to understand what the community values.
5. Don't be scared, penguins don't bite!
Many thanks to everyone at Feral (special thanks to Brad Gibson for sorting the interview out and Edwin of course for answering!) for the port and for future ports to come, it was really great to speak to them about everything and I think we are onto a winner with these guys. It's extremely refreshing to have such a good developer supporting Linux, and this is another thing we have Valve to thank for.
What port would you like to see come from them next and how are you enjoying XCOM? Let us know! Sadly I've had very little time to play it, but the first mission was very smooth for me!
Final note: XCOM is still 50%, so grab your wallets and grab it on Steam now!
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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FutureSuture Jun 26, 2014
Who, What, When, Where, Why? :><: This is complete news to me!CD Projekt RED, take note. This is how it's done. Feral and Aspyr FTW.i thought so to, but someone pointed me to pool where GOG was asking native or wine wrappers. most of the people asked for later.
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Also: I'm actually shocked that there's still so many people running full 32-bit installs. I had thought that pretty much died out around the time I got a 64-bit system...
Think about people like me, who back in 2010 wanted a stable Linux system, went to www.ubuntu.com, read "we recommend the 32-bit version", installed it and had just been updating that same machine since then.
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Regarding devs payment, Steam should have something like the Humble Bundle's system where you tell them for what platform you bought the game.After that incident when I've been deceived by Feral and bought their game as many other people because there wasn't any words that says XCOM dosn't run on 32bit OS, I'm gonna be more careful with purchases from now on. And I think that many people will go that way.
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there wasn't any words that says XCOM dosn't run on 32bit OS
To be fair, the game's Steam store page does state Linux 64 bits as minimum requirements, but I agree that was easy to miss out on.
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No, there wasn't! They added this warning later!there wasn't any words that says XCOM dosn't run on 32bit OSTo be fair, the game's Steam store page does state Linux 64 bits as minimum requirements, but I agree that was easy to miss out on.
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Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!
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This is an interesting interview, please ignore the haters lurking at reddit!
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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=linux
I expect that the true percentage of users on 64-bit Linux OS' is easily that value, if not considerably higher.
Thanks for the link !
Also: I'm actually shocked that there's still so many people running full 32-bit installs. I had thought that pretty much died out around the time I got a 64-bit system...Think about people like me, who back in 2010 wanted a stable Linux system, went to www.ubuntu.com, read "we recommend the 32-bit version", installed it and had just been updating that same machine since then.
Same here. I even tried to switch to 64-bit, but I had some serious issues so I switched back to 32-bit. I'm not sure now, but as far as I can remember the issues wer with java and flash, which by the time were necessary to me. Anyhow, X-Com will be my new reason to test 64-bit again.
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Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!
I "only" have 2GB of RAM, so, not really necessary for me ;)
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This is an interesting interview, please ignore the haters lurking at reddit!That exactly what they do - ignore everyone who doesn't cheer them. They say something like "They're loosers and we don't want to talk with these loosers who bought our game." It's my first time when I ran into that kind of disrespect to their customers.
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I'm wondering, has the majority of people really been running 64-bit Linux OSs for years, even though only a few years ago those had many compatibility issues, or has everyone but me just reinstalled their whole OS when multilib went stable?
I started with Linux in 2006 with Ubuntu and installed the x86_64 version. I have never used 32bit on the desktop! There were problems initially with things like Flash but nothing serious and certainly nothing that dictated I go 32bit. By the time I moved to Arch in 2009 the only need I could see for 32bit OS was for older hardware like my EeePC.
Anyway, back to the article... that's a fabulous attitude from the devs and I think the number of positive comments is appreciative of this. I just bought XCOM and the DLC and though this isn't the type of game I normally play I really like it and can get into it easily.
I will certainly be inclined to buy anything else they produce for Linux with such a supportive and professional attitude.
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone, I can't reply to every comment but we are reading the replies, if you have anything you want to tell us directly please send us an email to our Linux support support email. All feedback positive, negative or indifferent is welcome. :-)
Our minimum specification said Ubuntu 14.04 64bit as the minimum OS required from release, I recall speaking to you on Steam forums when you asked about this explaining that the game wasn't 32 bit and even giving you some advice about requesting a refund from Steam as you didn't meet the minimum specifications.
I am sorry you are obviously very upset that your OS isn't supported however as explained we don't support 32 bit OSs with XCOM for a number of reasons. I understand the frustration when you can't play a game you want to because your software doesn't support it but please understand we can't support all distros and hardware so that means some setups won't be supported.
We listen to everyone's feedback, negative or constructive feedback can sometimes be more useful than positive feedback and we take all feedback seriously. As you can see from this reply and all the ones we have posted on the Steam forums we are very keen to see what the community thinks and wants on the Linux platform so we can make the best Linux games possible. :-)
We use this philosophy of listening to our customers feedback to get ideas on how to improve our games when we started on Mac and it's something we bring with us to Linux.
Astro, If you would like to explain in detail your thoughts on Linux XCOM please send an email to our support address for the attention of Edwin and I will make sure I reply personally.
Thanks again to everyone for all your thoughts and feedback.
Edwin
After that incident when I've been deceived by Feral and bought their game as many other people because there wasn't any words that says XCOM dosn't run on 32bit OS, I'm gonna be more careful with purchases from now on. And I think that many people will go that way.
Our minimum specification said Ubuntu 14.04 64bit as the minimum OS required from release, I recall speaking to you on Steam forums when you asked about this explaining that the game wasn't 32 bit and even giving you some advice about requesting a refund from Steam as you didn't meet the minimum specifications.
I am sorry you are obviously very upset that your OS isn't supported however as explained we don't support 32 bit OSs with XCOM for a number of reasons. I understand the frustration when you can't play a game you want to because your software doesn't support it but please understand we can't support all distros and hardware so that means some setups won't be supported.
This is an interesting interview, please ignore the haters lurking at reddit!That exactly what they do - ignore everyone who doesn't cheer them. They say something like "They're loosers and we don't want to talk with these loosers who bought our game." It's my first time when I ran into that kind of disrespect to their customers.
We listen to everyone's feedback, negative or constructive feedback can sometimes be more useful than positive feedback and we take all feedback seriously. As you can see from this reply and all the ones we have posted on the Steam forums we are very keen to see what the community thinks and wants on the Linux platform so we can make the best Linux games possible. :-)
We use this philosophy of listening to our customers feedback to get ideas on how to improve our games when we started on Mac and it's something we bring with us to Linux.
Astro, If you would like to explain in detail your thoughts on Linux XCOM please send an email to our support address for the attention of Edwin and I will make sure I reply personally.
Thanks again to everyone for all your thoughts and feedback.
Edwin
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Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!
My system properties state "Memory: 5,8 GiB" as well as "OS type: 32-bit". My system is using all the 6 GB I'm providing it, isn't it?
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Ok, now it's done, Feral Interactive, I lurve you <3
I'll be watching your next steps very closely.
I'll be watching your next steps very closely.
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Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!My system properties state "Memory: 5,8 GiB" as well as "OS type: 32-bit". My system is using all the 6 GB I'm providing it, isn't it?
It's just not possible. If you are in 32 bits you only have 2^32 possible memory adresses.
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It's just not possible. If you are in 32 bits you only have 2^32 possible memory adresses.Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!My system properties state "Memory: 5,8 GiB" as well as "OS type: 32-bit". My system is using all the 6 GB I'm providing it, isn't it?
What's happening on my system, then? AFAIK, it's not using PAE or anything (I just learned of its existence last week).
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It must be using PAE. Otherwise it's just not possible for your OS to address that much RAM.What's happening on my system, then? AFAIK, it's not using PAE or anything (I just learned of its existence last week).It's just not possible. If you are in 32 bits you only have 2^32 possible memory adresses.Really, one of the major reasons for not running 32-bit is RAM. Even if you have 4GB, your 32-bit system can only read about 3GB of it! Please upgrade people!My system properties state "Memory: 5,8 GiB" as well as "OS type: 32-bit". My system is using all the 6 GB I'm providing it, isn't it?
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Of course it's using PAE.
And with PAE, the operating system can access more than 4GB of RAM. A single process is still limited to 4GB, though.
And with PAE, the operating system can access more than 4GB of RAM. A single process is still limited to 4GB, though.
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And pae is not a good solution: http://cl4ssic4l.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/linus-torvalds-about-pae/
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