President Of Blizzard Responds To The Linux Petition, Petition Owner Creates Childish Response

The answer from them in % already proofed that they already made up their mind before the petition. Liam you were sadly right that a petition usually has no effect.

In my point of view it was not a proper revert for msg. Ok between friends we can say like this. But that was quite official.

Maybe that someone is still young? I'm not saying that young age is something wrong, but older people have a little bit different reactions for life

Brgds

We need to rally together and get all linux subscribers to unsubscribe, and note the lack of linux client as the reason.

I agree, many who use linux and want to play WoW probably already do by either dual booting or through wine.

I recall GoG and a simular situation. Given time they may change thier position. Interesting someone so high up posted though..

Liam, if Blizzard can't handle flamers in a forum and base their future release platforms on a "what's he smoking" comment I would both laugh and cry!

Any one person does not represent the whole. Those who think so are terribly mistaken. It probably happens though.

Truthfully they only need to support opengl/vulkan, wine could handle the light lifting if the graphics API was native. which maybe the case more and more if linux gaming shrinks again.
Perhaps that should be the next petition.

What do you think is the minimum market share to support Linux for Blizzard? I think 5% maybe will be enough.

I'm not even worried about this whole fiasco, from either angle. o.O

People act like, well, people. Throwing out statistics that we're a minority isn't a new thing. It's false promises and asinine statements about a minority to exploit them is what really gets under a sane individual's skin, not what this guy is spouting.

Really glad to hear Blizzard's stance though. Unfortunate, but valuable to know. Just makes it easier to eliminate future speculations from the company while I don't consume their products (stopped years ago). :)

Maybe that someone is still young? I'm not saying that young age is something wrong, but older people have a little bit different reactions for life

That's my assumption (based on Blizzard's demographic audience). Though, I'd say even adults are just as bad (ie: extremists).

Edit: Whoops, sorry for double post. :)

I don't really see the big fuss over Blizzard, they used to be relevant when they made decent games, but they stopped doing that in 2004 when they released World of Warcraft.

I would assume most of those people also have access to a Windows or Mac device capable of playing Blizzard games.

This is the part of the response that explains the difference between Blizzard's attitude and ours (Linux protagonists') - they assume that everybody who uses Linux has Windows machines and Macs lying around, while many of us have gotten rid of, or want to get rid of, them entirely.

What do you think is the minimum market share to support Linux for Blizzard? I think 5% maybe will be enough.

Think exactly same but make this objective linux must be more simple to final user

As you said if linux userbase grow around 5% is possible blizzard see with other perspective but for them money is first (activision/blizzard:bobby kotick* 12 millon sir)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick

Him said sometime ago "if player can pay 60 dollars for game, players can pay more"

However wow have opengl mode, this maybe more easily linux port

Other thing steam linux survey must be improve for specify more details than now

^_^

LOL! Really? We are back on this now? 2% would mean a minimum 2 Million potential Linux customers (based on Steam numbers), which is quite a market share. But what do I care. Blizzards isn't making good games anymore.

*sigh*, going over this argument in IRC right now.

That 2% is an over-estimation, by a lot.

Lots of people (like me), already own their products. You can also be guaranteed a large portion supporting the petition and forum post also already sub to WoW/own other products by them.

The realistic number is far lower.

*sigh* Liam. I'm just joking around about his numbers. He is talking about 2% of the web. Which is a far higher number then 2 Million xD

That the real numbers are different is another story. Also I don't own all products from them. I have WoW and Starcraft 2 and I'm bored to hell with both games. So you can't count me as customer anyway.

You need the developers, you need the support staff, you need to pay them, constantly, and not just once too. You also need extra time for Q&A on the platform, so Q&A staff need pay and time too.

That's not an argument. As Blizzard is making a shitload of money alone with WoW, and it is still not Free2Pay. So you have your constant money flow. Remember they had a Client for Linux already in the Beta as they didn't expect such high user numbers and such an high income. Not to talk about the years afterwards where they had the client available. Also they have their products for OSX already which makes it easy to port to Linux.

The answer is simple, time to throw more money at Linux games and ignore non-Linux games. Blizzard has known for a long time what we want, and how to get it. Never forget that Sam Lantinga was lead software developer for Blizzard. They know better than anyone how easy it would be for them to get a Linux port up and running. I think he spent years trying to get them to go Linux internally and he finally got fed up and took Valve's offer when Blizzard turned him down. I'd rather give my money to the people who are giving Linux a real shot at becoming a heavy gaming platform. Valve has earned my trust, video card drivers, good games, full platform equality for Valve's titles, and crucially, bringing in third party developers to port new games. Valve are a wonderful Linux citizen we should embrace them with more money. Hell maybe throw a Blizzard won't sell us games, so take our money Valve blitz on the app store.

Thank you, Liam, for being such a professional "spokesman" for Linux gaming!

I think the best option to a response like this, is simply to be respectful and prove them wrong. While Andrews point on people staying on Windows because WoW and other games aren't available on Linux is a valid one, that is pretty much the only thing to take away from his comment.

I understand Blizzards point of view from a market standpoint, but I fear that they might be left behind when (not if!) Linux picks up even more. They should also consider that more and more studios already are supporting Linux, either directly or with help from studios porting their games. These studios have the same data as Blizzard, but they arrive at a different conclusion. Why is that?

Blizzard are naive to think that a user of their software would stay on Windows if WoW is the only thing keeping them there. They will change OS, and that would mean that Blizzard loses a user.

My suggestion for Blizzard is to start with something "simpler" like Hearthstone, and carefully monitor the numbers from that experience, and then see if they think Linux is a horse worth betting on. They could even make an "ugly" Wine-port of Hearthstone, or even WoW, since they both seem to work reasonably well with Wine (or am I wrong?).

"...most of those people also have access to a Windows or Mac device capable of playing Blizzard games..."

True. But I still don't see any reason why should a Linux user buy a Windows/Mac game. The only reason why I buy games is to support Linux game developers.

The way I see it, in a nutshell, here's where we stand.
You can dual-boot to windows, that would give no reason for the devs to even start thinking about porting to Linux, unless if they're indie devs with a liking towards Linux. Or really support Valve and their decisions.
Should you decide to really support the Linux numbers, one must cut himself from the Windows-only titles. That however is more easily said than done as most gamers have that 1-2 titles that they are really into and will not let go that easily. This is kind of what happened to me. I still have a windows partition, confession, but rarely ever boot into it. Yet there are some times when I just feel like I want the full potential of my hardware I have purchased and OpenGL just won't cut it with its driver overhead... so I get one game and complete it under windows. This however is bad, as the statistics would show win as the marketshare.

Basically, for Blizzard, no wonder they won't make the native ports, there's just no need for them from their standpoint. And given that the OpenGL is what it is at the moment, there's no real reason to start the work until Vulkan has proven itself. Again, from my opinion of Blizzard's standpoint.

We need to wait with patience, hope for Vulkan to develop correctly, people to implement it and show its potential. Then, if the performance is what it should be, people will start moving to Linux, the numbers will increase over time and then, there might be a possibility of seeing a native Blizzard game port.


Those are just my ramblings... ignore if you will. :)

If you care about linux gaming please stop buying/playing windows games(including blizzards one).
No wine no dual booting no virtual machine only native clients and increase money flow to developers which cares about you and linux gaming. It's simple as that.

I just realised we weren't talking about EA, in which case, there's hope!
And yes, Blizzard supporting Linux would be great! They do have some world e-sports class games which I played =P

I very much expected this. Though, a hint of a marketshare when they consider re evaluating would would have been nice, I guess we gotta' go with what we get. I still think it is not the best way to evaluate a potential customer number out of web browsing statistics (I think valve could tell them pretty well the number of potential rpg/mmorpg/rts players inlinux).

But the market changes, maybe we will see them change their mind in future. At least they say that they are watching and are willing to re-evaluate in future.

One thing all linux gamers have to be aware of:

Companies doesn't give a sh#$ if you want to abandon Windows for linux.
If you are still using Windows and Buying their games that's enough for them.
The same to those who use wine.


WE ALL should use linux only (if possible) and buy linux only games. Cause again, companies just doesn't care if you want to change to linux...
If with the current policy they ALREADY GOT YOUR MONEY what's the point really?

I don't really care if Blizzard doesn't want to support Linux. Unless they were porting their older games to Linux like Diablo II, Warcraft III, or maybe Starcraft even though I'm not a huge fan of Starcraft. WoW is really unappealing to me, as are most of their other newer games.

Even then, if they don't ever bring their older games to Linux, other people will eventually. Like the Freeablo project:
https://github.com/wheybags/freeablo

And another one I've got my eye on, the Falltegeist project, a crossplatform rewrite of Fallout 2's engine:
https://github.com/falltergeist/falltergeist

For now, Diablo II runs well in Wine, I've even setup a server and played with people over the internet and it worked great.