SteamOS/Linux Version Of Gauntlet Cancelled

Quoting: InokiMy system is a perfect example, where I can't even launch LibreOffice without crashing my entire session (I already reported an Xorg bug, let's see how long will it take them to fix it. It's taking already more than 6 months.) Then there's the microphone not working and I'm not even going to continue.

Just curiosity, what is your system's configuration and what version of Ubuntu do you use?

I have 4 computers (Dualcore E8400 3.0ghz with Nvidia GT-240, DELL Inspiron N5110 with Radeon HD-6470m, DualCore G2030 with NVidia GTX-650 and I7-2600 with NVidia GTX-750ti) all running Ubuntu and never had that much problems.

Your problems with LibreOffice are quite unusual. It makes me wonder...

Quoting: InokiThe lack of proper support creates a huge difference that I see on my system running both Win 7 and Ubuntu. Some of the titles I play are considerably behind in performance on Linux. Some are the same, but for this to be a market worth entering vendors need to cooperate better.

Without examples this argument is worthless.

Quoting: InokiI also forgot to mention, that a lot of unfinished, unpolished, buggy stuff is constantly released because ponies want to "innovate". There's not much enjoyable about innovation if ordinary consumers are left with bugged systems with no foreseeable patches.

The same thing happen on Windows, games are released early because the developers are out of money to continue working on it. I remember from the days when I was playing on Windows that The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion was a total disaster on release, practically unplayable.

Quoting: InokiMy system is a perfect example, where I can't even launch LibreOffice without crashing my entire session (I already reported an Xorg bug, let's see how long will it take them to fix it. It's taking already more than 6 months.) Then there's the microphone not working and I'm not even going to continue.

At work I've got the reverse of this one, Microsoft Word crashing whenever I opened it and it was all because of a update of Microsoft Lync, took me (after-)hours to figure this out and fix it. I've got Excel macros not working anymore for no apparent reasons. I've got Cisco Anyconnect VPN that I had to restart entirely if I miss my password one time because it says that all subsequent password are incorrect (even if they are correct). I've got the fucking Windows Update that bother me every four hour. And with only five/six programs running and not consuming a quarter of the RAM I have (I've got 32GB) the whole system become slow or hang sometimes without apparent reasons.

And you complain about your microphone, it probably work without problems on Windows because it was designed for it. Try to make a Playstation 3 controller work on Windows and you'll see that's not easy (and you'll probably end up with a virus on your system).

Quoting: NyamiouWithout examples this argument is worthless.

There is no such thing as a worthless argument if a user is talking from experience. On a side note, I am not to be confused for a Windows fan. I've been running Linux since 2010, mostly Ubuntu and derivatives, but I've tried others as well.

For some reason often when I comment on something on a site focused on Linux and I provide honest feedback I get this impression of hostility, that people often seem ignorant of others' frustration just because something works for them. Well, good for you, bad for me, but it's true that Linux has a lot of issues people should admit.

For your convenience I will name L4D2, a fairly old game on my laptop, which is a Lenovo G50-45, full specs below:

System:    Host: Lenovo-G50-45 Kernel: 3.19.0-23-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.0 Distro: Ubuntu 15.04 vivid
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 80E3 v: Lenovo G50-45
           Mobo: LENOVO model: Lancer 5B2 v: 31900058 STD
           Bios: LENOVO v: A2CN36WW(V2.04) date: 04/30/2015
CPU:       Quad core AMD A6-6310 APU with AMD Radeon R4 Graphics (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 1800 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 1200 MHz 3: 1400 MHz
           4: 1000 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics]
           Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Sun LE [Radeon HD 8550M / R5 M230]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: [email protected]
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD MULLINS
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.5.2
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kabini HDMI/DP Audio
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-23-generic
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
           driver: ath9k
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169
           Card-3: Atheros
           IF: null-if-id state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (9.3% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST1000LM014 size: 1000.2GB

With this configuration on Windows I can run the game nicely on around 80 FPS, zero lag, full details.

On Linux I have to lower settings below medium and still can't get past 25 FPS on average with terrible lag spikes, frame drops to 1. I even use Xfce for lower resource usage.

This example has to suffice.

Note: I've tried proprietary drivers, they break my system.

Quoting: HonorEDnlKWhat's with people and taking names for something that's more general and just shove it to something specific, that's what the people who say PC when they intend to say Windows are doing. And I rightfully hate that practice.

Blame the Apple marketing juggernaut with their "I'm a Mac; and I'm a PC" commercials which drilled it into people's heads that PC = Windows. Still, you'd expect a software developer to know better.

Quoting: InokiMy system is a perfect example, where I can't even launch LibreOffice without crashing my entire session (I already reported an Xorg bug, let's see how long will it take them to fix it. It's taking already more than 6 months.) Then there's the microphone not working and I'm not even going to continue.

So much for people entering Linux.

Linus said, that it bothers him, that Linux is doing great as a server platform but not as a desktop, which was his intent. We know the solution to this problem. Now to get to work, so consumers get working, not broken systems.

I have to assume you're a paid shill for Microsoft engaging in the age old practice of astroturfing forums with FUD about Linux. I run Kubuntu and have not had a single issue with LibreOffice, and my microphone works perfectly. In fact, Kubuntu has been far more stable and user friendly than any version of Windows I've ever used. Whatever problems you're (supposedly) having with Linux are far from typical.


Last edited by Mountain Man on 24 July 2015 at 9:42 pm UTC

Quoting: Mountain ManI have to assume you're a paid shill for Microsoft engaging in the age old practice of astroturfing forums with FUD about Linux.

You're exactly the type of moronic zealot I've been talking about, ignorant as fuck.

It's pointless when the community consists of people like you.

People have serious issues but individuals like this take it they have to be involved in some kind of conspiracy against Linux, just because they state the obvious. You sir, are a very poor character.

I think it's interesting that linux users say "don't preorder!" when really, preorder numbers may have had an impact on their decision to continue with the development.

Oh well, I played it on Windows it was actually pretty awesome (I love local coop) but I do hope that eventually (maybe if SteamOS hits it off) they'll decide to come back to a linux version. They had to have started at least some work on it...

Quoting: KurremkarmerrukI think it's interesting that linux users say "don't preorder!" when really, preorder numbers may have had an impact on their decision to continue with the development.

Oh well, I played it on Windows it was actually pretty awesome (I love local coop) but I do hope that eventually (maybe if SteamOS hits it off) they'll decide to come back to a linux version. They had to have started at least some work on it...

The games industry has shown that it is not to be trusted when it comes to pre-orders. Feel free to continue doing that silly thing but don't cry about it when devs don't ship and quality is poor.

Quoting: ChristopherWereThat being said, I wonder what has more of a consumer impact, purchasing a game and getting it refunded or not purchasing it at all.

In the second case the devs see how much money they loose, so it is clear to me.

Quoting: InokiWith this configuration on Windows I can run the game nicely on around 80 FPS, zero lag, full details.

On Linux I have to lower settings below medium and still can't get past 25 FPS on average with terrible lag spikes, frame drops to 1. I even use Xfce for lower resource usage.

This example has to suffice.

Note: I've tried proprietary drivers, they break my system.

Prop. driver give me comparable performance, too bad they dont work for you.


Last edited by linux_gamer on 24 July 2015 at 10:10 pm UTC

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: HonorEDnlKWhat's with people and taking names for something that's more general and just shove it to something specific, that's what the people who say PC when they intend to say Windows are doing. And I rightfully hate that practice.

Blame the Apple marketing juggernaut with their "I'm a Mac; and I'm a PC" commercials which drilled it into people's heads that PC = Windows. Still, you'd expect a software developer to know better.

Although it didn't help.. but doesn't it really derive from the 80s/early 90s.

You had games and on the boxes stickers which told 'you' what kind of machine it was for:

For Amiga
For Commodore 64
For Amstrad CPC

For IBM PC and compatibles...


...where it would then list requirements such as DOS 4.0, 640kb, supports Adlib, Roland, Soundblaster, etc.

As time went by most of the competitors died off and the IBM PC remained but the lingo on game boxes had become "For PC with Windows 95, etc"

Which version of DOS or Windows was always 2nd to It's for (IBM)-PC. I think the drill had already been implanted in most people's heads that PC=DOS/WINDOWS.

However I do agree and would prefer people to Say "Windows" rather than "PC.


Last edited by thelimeydragon on 24 July 2015 at 10:23 pm UTC