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I've always missed the epic battles from Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander with their massive experimental units, and now Planetary Annihilation: TITANS brings that into the fold.
It doesn't just bring massive units, they have also revamped maps with better choke points to duke it out over. Having more elevation in maps will be welcome, as there wasn't much of it in the original PA. Honestly, it sounds a lot closer to Total Annihilation, especially with the new maps they created with things like hilltops to fight over.
Anyone who supported them on Kickstarter gains access to it for free it seems, but if you purchased it afterwards you will have to buy it (at a discount too!). That makes me pretty happy, and will hopefully keep others happy too.
It's now showing up for me as a separate download, it wasn't before, so all is fine.
I will write up a new post with my thoughts on the revamped experience when they fix it on Linux. It tells me I am running "Classic PA" and to quit and relaunch, then nothing happens. Loading it again, and still the same thing.
I couldn't be happier about this.
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Actually I'd have paid if they did it the clean way as SCS does with Euro Truck Simulator 2 :
- Content is only for DLC buyers.
- Any other update is for all the customers.
If they provided all the updates (UI, inter-planetary battles which were promised for the original game, tutorial, map generator) for free, but the new maps and units as a paid DLC I'd have been OK.
FYI SCS often releases new cosmetic paint jobs when they're in need of money. Why I do not buy them I buy every other content for the game. They're clean towards their customers, Uber really behave as traitors and this will bring them down.
Last : all TW Rome 2 customers got their game updated to emperor edition for free...
- Content is only for DLC buyers.
- Any other update is for all the customers.
If they provided all the updates (UI, inter-planetary battles which were promised for the original game, tutorial, map generator) for free, but the new maps and units as a paid DLC I'd have been OK.
FYI SCS often releases new cosmetic paint jobs when they're in need of money. Why I do not buy them I buy every other content for the game. They're clean towards their customers, Uber really behave as traitors and this will bring them down.
Last : all TW Rome 2 customers got their game updated to emperor edition for free...
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Quoting: gojulIf they provided all the updates (UI, inter-planetary battles which were promised for the original game, tutorial, map generator) for free, but the new maps and units as a paid DLC I'd have been OK.Maybe their financial situation is so bad that it is simply impossible to give features for free at the moment . Paid units would affect negatively to multiplayer games if others has paid units giving advantage. Maybe nobody would have bought the maps since community could make them for free with the editor.
I don't know ... I guess the situation is bad at the moment but even worse if they would have done otherwise.
Last edited by edqe on 19 August 2015 at 8:27 pm UTC
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Quoting: edqeMaybe their financial situation is so bad that it is simply impossible to give features for free at the moment . Paid units would affect negatively to multiplayer games if others has paid units giving advantage. Maybe nobody would have bought the maps since community could make them for free with the editor.
I don't know ... I guess the situation is bad at the moment but even worse if they would have done otherwise.
Or maybe they shouldn't over-promise what they could do on the kickstarter budget, or make it a bigger one in order to deliver everything they initially promised?
In the end it's all about management and PR. If you don't deliver what you promise because you mis-manage, people are going to be angry at you. If you then proceed to fan the flames by failing at damage control, people will be even more angry at you.
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Quoting: nitroflowOr maybe they shouldn't over-promise what they could do on the kickstarter budget ...All KS projects I know the KS budget has not been even near enough; Wasteland 2, Divinity: Original Sin, Elite: Dangerous, etc. All of them ended up to use lots of their own money to deliver the game in the end. Making estimations is no easy. Underestimate the required work has been a problem from the beginning of KS and especially if the game is team's first KS project.
Quoting: nitroflowIn the end it's all about management and PR. If you don't deliver what you promise because you mis-manage, people are going to be angry at you. If you then proceed to fan the flames by failing at damage control, people will be even more angry at you.Maybe there would have been a manager who would have foresee all the problems beforehand and make a perfect estimations about the required work. This time that person wasn't on the project.
Kickstarter and Early Access projects has their risks and sometimes they fail just like software projects does. People who are not ready to lose their money or get just a simplified version from what was the goal in the beginning, shouldn't support and put money to KS or EA projects but wait the final version.
Last edited by edqe on 20 August 2015 at 4:33 am UTC
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Link to a petition :
https://www.change.org/p/uber-entertainment-planetary-annihilation-titans-stop-making-us-pay-for-what-we-already-paid-for
The problem is that the game was already marked as final one year ago so this does not account. They promised that all updates would be free, but actually it was liar.
I understand for the financial argument, but here they're just liars, just as they were when they said their game would be DRM-free... (in French)
http://influence-pc.fr/26-04-2015-uber-entertainment-ne-joue-pas-le-role-du-drm-free-avec-planetary-annihilation
Frankly I'd be happy to support these guys... but here they're really screwing us.
https://www.change.org/p/uber-entertainment-planetary-annihilation-titans-stop-making-us-pay-for-what-we-already-paid-for
The problem is that the game was already marked as final one year ago so this does not account. They promised that all updates would be free, but actually it was liar.
I understand for the financial argument, but here they're just liars, just as they were when they said their game would be DRM-free... (in French)
http://influence-pc.fr/26-04-2015-uber-entertainment-ne-joue-pas-le-role-du-drm-free-avec-planetary-annihilation
Frankly I'd be happy to support these guys... but here they're really screwing us.
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Apparently if you copy the contents of the folder pa_ex1 into the pa folder you can get access to almost everything that's in the Titans "standalone".
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Quoting: gojulBut why they do make original buyers pay more while the new buyers get PA Titans for the same price as original PA buyers did, while original PA is removed from Steam ? Is it to force original buyers to bring more cash ???There's no forcing. The old game plays with and integrates with the expanded version. I find this standalone approach with the heavy discount for existing users, much more preferable to the DLC alternative.
Quoting: gojulThe problem is that the game was already marked as final one year ago so this does not account. They promised that all updates would be free, but actually it was liar.The original game received many substantial updates. This expansion pushes beyond what was ever promised.
Quoting: gojulI understand for the financial argument, but here they're just liars, just as they were when they said their game would be DRM-free... (in French)The game is DRM free. Offline/custom-server play was added as promised to the original game some time ago.
http://influence-pc.fr/26-04-2015-uber-entertainment-ne-joue-pas-le-role-du-drm-free-avec-planetary-annihilation
Last edited by N30N on 20 August 2015 at 11:31 am UTC
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Quoting: gojulThe problem is that the game was already marked as final one year ago so this does not account. They promised that all updates would be free, but actually it was liar.Yes. Unfortunately the final game didn't met all Kickstarter goals, but everyone who supported the project knew that could happen.
People who supported the project during Early Access - like me - knew already that the project didn't met all goals. I supported the project because I wanted them to have a change to make the game as good as possible.
Uber has pushed patches and improvements to PA since its release (~10 months) - like just recently this one. The updates has added many features from original KS goals that were missing on release.
Yes, maybe TITANS is a bit expensive for people who has bought PA after its release. But still, Uber still doesn't force to buy TITANS so people who thinks it is too expensive should vote with their wallets.
Last edited by edqe on 20 August 2015 at 11:44 am UTC
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Quoting: edqeI think the problem is that we know nothing what is going inside the company and what all ideas they have went trough.You can always ask directly by getting involved in the 3 question game. ;)
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Quoting: N30NI look forward to hear about their financial status and other secrets ;)Quoting: edqeI think the problem is that we know nothing what is going inside the company and what all ideas they have went trough.You can always ask directly by getting involved in the 3 question game. ;)
Hey, but thanks for sharing the link. I didn't know they have interesting stuff like that going on in their forum.
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