Vulkan Looks Impressive Against OpenGL In A New Intel Demo

QuoteThe more I see of Vulkan, the more impressed I'm becoming, and the more excited I'm getting. I don't want to get too excited though, as it's still going to be some time before it's finished and it's actually in any games.

That kinda didn't stop DirectX12 from being hyped to sky high, despite not having actual games using it yet.

The only hyped thing that i can find in internet linked with windows 10 is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgntNFAvu5M
or similar to this

Looks yummy, personally I see no reason why companies would choose DX12 over this. A powerful cross platform API such as this would nullify the "Our engine was written for DirectX" excuse and in turn games can start coming to Mac and Linux the same way they do on Windows and Consoles without too many additional costs.

I'm probably going too fast here I know, but it's time for developers and publishers to start accepting the fact that Linux on the desktop is something real and it's not just "An OS for geeks", some already do, while the big ones still have to budge.

Finally, more cores do matter.

I'll be getting the best CPU I can in the future. I want advanced AI, AI guided animations and advanced physics. No more AI derps, no more indestructible objects (hopefully).

I'm also interested in graphics scaling with asymmetric graphics modules. Vulkan has this as well as DX12, so SLI and Crossfire should become redundant with newer titles. Nvidia would be wise to have their graphics scale with graphics processing of Intel and AMD CPUs.


Last edited by Styromaniac on 29 August 2015 at 11:57 pm UTC

Quoting: Pecisk

QuoteThe more I see of Vulkan, the more impressed I'm becoming, and the more excited I'm getting. I don't want to get too excited though, as it's still going to be some time before it's finished and it's actually in any games.

That kinda didn't stop DirectX12 from being hyped to sky high, despite not having actual games using it yet.

Ashes of singularity is using dx 12. I have done some benchmarks(this is only pre-alpha so dx 12 perfomance can be totally changed but I was curious). I was really suprised that my i5 4590 is running dx 12 much better than any amd procesor. I have been thinking that with dx 12 amd procesors with more cores will beat intel(especially that creators of Ashes of singurality have good relationship with AMD) . I was really suprised with my gtx 760 performance on dx 12 too. It is much worse than on dx 11!(Except that as I said before the game designers have a good relationship with AMD .) I hope vulcan will run better on my gtx. Games is the only thing that keeps me using Windows and vulcan finally can change this.

in the early stretch it will be a little more workload on the game companies because they have to generate their own drivers. but Vulkan, Nvidia and ATI will have the base "default use case" drivers available for companies to work from. These drivers can be used from one game to the next if they use the same or similar technology. DX12 drivers should be very similar and shouldn't require a lot of extra work for porting to Vulkan.

also with Vulkan they are able to do a hybrid driver for some operations on Vulkan while others can be kept with OpenGL/ES. for the early stages of development if companies don't feel the need for full Vulkan drivers.

Right now it's a matter of the Khronos group releasing the API for the public. All I know is, the next couple of years will be interesting to say the least. because if companies really embrace open source technology we could see much more innovation than MS or Apple ever thought of.


Last edited by neowiz73 on 30 August 2015 at 1:16 am UTC

Quoting: FiBuAshes of singularity is using dx 12. I have done some benchmarks(this is only pre-alpha so dx 12 perfomance can be totally changed but I was curious). I was really suprised that my i5 4590 is running dx 12 much better than any amd procesor. I have been thinking that with dx 12 amd procesors with more cores will beat intel(especially that creators of Ashes of singurality have good relationship with AMD) .

I think the reason for that might be because intel processors have better per-core performance than AMD cpu's, take for example the i3's which are dual core with hyper threading, they can still match and overtake some of AMD's Quad Core or better CPU's.

intel has made quite some progress between Sandy Bridge and Haswell, I have an i5 4590 like yours and the frame rate in some CPU bound games is noticeably higher compared to my old i5 2400.


Last edited by Avehicle7887 on 30 August 2015 at 2:31 am UTC

Quoting: Avehicle7887Looks yummy, personally I see no reason why companies would choose DX12 over this.

Because XBox One will use DX12, while Vulkan on PS4 is just a rumor for now. I guess Windows 10 + XBox One will have higher market share, than Win+Mac+Linux.

Quoting: Beta Version

Quoting: Avehicle7887Looks yummy, personally I see no reason why companies would choose DX12 over this.

Because XBox One will use DX12, while Vulkan on PS4 is just a rumor for now. I guess Windows 10 + XBox One will have higher market share, than Win+Mac+Linux.

Sony being with Khronos isn't rumor and I don't see them any reason why they would have to deny low level API implementation. They aren't Nintendo.

Quoting: FiBu

Quoting: Pecisk

QuoteThe more I see of Vulkan, the more impressed I'm becoming, and the more excited I'm getting. I don't want to get too excited though, as it's still going to be some time before it's finished and it's actually in any games.

That kinda didn't stop DirectX12 from being hyped to sky high, despite not having actual games using it yet.

Ashes of singularity is using dx 12. I have done some benchmarks(this is only pre-alpha so dx 12 perfomance can be totally changed but I was curious). I was really suprised that my i5 4590 is running dx 12 much better than any amd procesor. I have been thinking that with dx 12 amd procesors with more cores will beat intel(especially that creators of Ashes of singurality have good relationship with AMD) . I was really suprised with my gtx 760 performance on dx 12 too. It is much worse than on dx 11!(Except that as I said before the game designers have a good relationship with AMD .) I hope vulcan will run better on my gtx. Games is the only thing that keeps me using Windows and vulcan finally can change this.

I mean actually published games. Alphas/pre-alphas/betas doesn't really count.

Makes you wonder if the old hex core AMD chips will start to shine, I know using Mantle with BF4 with a 1090t did just as well as what my new 4790k does.

Must admit, It's all talk of DX12 atm. I thought Vulkan had a chance to be ready before DX12 but guess not.

I'm really interested in seeing how well Vulkan works on the different CPUs.

We all know that AMD has worse single-core-performance, but many more cores... so Vulkan could be a stronger argument for AMD than for Intel.

As I've never had an AMD CPU I'm quite intrigued by the current development.

Quoting: Avehicle7887Looks yummy, personally I see no reason why companies would choose DX12 over this. A powerful cross platform API such as this would nullify the "Our engine was written for DirectX" excuse and in turn games can start coming to Mac and Linux the same way they do on Windows and Consoles without too many additional costs.

I'm probably going too fast here I know, but it's time for developers and publishers to start accepting the fact that Linux on the desktop is something real and it's not just "An OS for geeks", some already do, while the big ones still have to budge.

Developers use DirectX not because it's the best but because Microsoft has invested tremendous resources in promotion and training, so as a result, many developers are familiar and comfortable with it.

Vulkan might be superior to DirectX, but so is OpenGL which hasn't translated into a lot of developers embracing it, so if Valve/AMD/Intel/whoever wants developers to start using Vulkan, they're going to have to invest a lot of money in promotion, training seminars, and technical support.

Still, I'm looking forward to the day when crossplatform support is just a given, and when a developer says that a game will be available for PC, they really do mean PC.

Quoting: PeciskSony being with Khronos isn't rumor and I don't see them any reason why they would have to deny low level API implementation. They aren't Nintendo.

Sony is indeed part of the Vulkan team, but I think it will take some time before the new API gets its way to their PS4. First because they need to test it thoroughly in order to make it as stable as their previous API (a derivative of OpenGL) and also because it's most probable that they will wait for their console sales to go down before introducing the new API that will make their machine faster (most players don't know about Vulkan, heck I even know game devs that doesn't know about it).

Quoting: StyromaniacI want advanced AI, AI guided animations and advanced physics. No more AI derps, no more indestructible objects (hopefully).

I've been hoping for this with every new technological step for the last two decades now. So far, all I've seen are big steps in gloss and baby steps in everything else. But I've not given up yet.

Quoting: Creak

Quoting: PeciskSony being with Khronos isn't rumor and I don't see them any reason why they would have to deny low level API implementation. They aren't Nintendo.

Sony is indeed part of the Vulkan team, but I think it will take some time before the new API gets its way to their PS4. First because they need to test it thoroughly in order to make it as stable as their previous API (a derivative of OpenGL) and also because it's most probable that they will wait for their console sales to go down before introducing the new API that will make their machine faster (most players don't know about Vulkan, heck I even know game devs that doesn't know about it).

Sony being there could have different reasons. Sony recently ported games to Linux as well, so they might be interested in Vulkan from that angle.

We shouldn't forget that the PS4 API is still even lower level than DX12 or Vulkan, which can only be since you only have one CPU/GPU to support. So they might support Vulkan additionally to their API, but I'm sure they won't consider replacing their own API for the reason of performance optimization. If Sony supports it in the PlayStation, the game developers would still need to port it to the XBox one. For PC, it wouldn't matter if DX12 or Vulkan (Linux share isn't a gamebreaker, and Apple probably won't support it on their OS due to their Metal API). I see it the way that the game developers will adopt DX12 for XBox and PC (Windows), PS4 API will remain being used (because you can optimize even more than with Vulkan) and Metal for OSX. At least for AAA titles.

For the mobile world we'll probably see higher adoption. Engines support it due ot Android adopting it. That wouldn't help us in any case, except for the point that a lot of developers will be familiar with the Vulkan API, but hey - that are not the AAA developers.

Mabye some developers (due to the engines supporting Linux/Vulkan) will release for Linux. But most consider the additional development (you still need a complete seperate code-path for the draw calls), support and QA required not worth the trouble.

The only thing which really matters and is a strong PRO vor Vulkan is, that it will support older Windows versions, and my guess is that Win7 will have a significant market share for some time to come.


Last edited by STiAT on 31 August 2015 at 10:00 am UTC

Quoting: STiAT...

And now I ask you why the most big Players are in Kronos and in Vulkan, except Rockstar, UBIsoft and MS?
And the others will support it in his engines, except Rockstar, UBIsoft and MS?



https://www.khronos.org/members/contributors

Contributors - have full API working group participation and voting rights, and generous marketing benefits.

https://www.khronos.org/members/promoters

Promoters - act as the "Board of Directors" to set the direction of the Group, with final specification ratification voting rights.

Quoting: STiATWe shouldn't forget that the PS4 API is still even lower level than DX12 or Vulkan

Do you have source on that? From what I heard it's nothing more than a modified OpenGL (it has specific extensions for the GPU in the PS4, but the level is the same as the one in OpenGL).

Quoting: Beta Version

Quoting: Avehicle7887Looks yummy, personally I see no reason why companies would choose DX12 over this.

Because XBox One will use DX12, while Vulkan on PS4 is just a rumor for now. I guess Windows 10 + XBox One will have higher market share, than Win+Mac+Linux.

higher market share? android decided which one that is. there are more phones/tablets bought in one week than xbox consoles in whole life time

Quoting: MaelraneI'm really interested in seeing how well Vulkan works on the different CPUs.

We all know that AMD has worse single-core-performance, but many more cores... so Vulkan could be a stronger argument for AMD than for Intel.

As I've never had an AMD CPU I'm quite intrigued by the current development.

not really, unlike before where cpu bottleneck defined performance in most cases, this gen gpu will be the one. so, fast or a bit faster won't show different results for well written games.

Quoting: Creak

Quoting: STiATWe shouldn't forget that the PS4 API is still even lower level than DX12 or Vulkan

Do you have source on that? From what I heard it's nothing more than a modified OpenGL (it has specific extensions for the GPU in the PS4, but the level is the same as the one in OpenGL).

PSGL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSGL was on PS3, does not even exist on PS4. PS4 uses GNM (low level) and GNMX (high level implementation on GNM)