This is quite interesting, it seems Valve are actually doing some more curating on their store now ahead of the SteamOS launch.
A user on reddit posted about ~35 titles having their SteamOS icons vanish. To quote the user:
I've checked myself, and I can see that Ticket to Ride, Anodyne, Lume, WAKFU, Starbound, Evoland, Oniken, StarMade and Defender's Quest: Valley of the Forgotten have had their icons removed. I'm not sure what other games have seen the change, as that's a lot of games to go through to find out.
I spoke with the developer of StarMade who said this:
I spoke with other developers, but some are still looking into why, and some asked me not to mention them here.
It makes perfect sense, you wouldn't want a new SteamOS user to find out a game that advertised SteamOS support needed some outside launcher/installer for something like adobe air, or flash or anything else that needs a fair bit of manual interaction not directly possible in the SteamOS interface.
I guess the minor issue for us here, is that people on desktop Linux can't get these games on Steam now, but they do still show in my library, and are installable. It's probably a good thing though, as it means any game with a SteamOS icon should install on desktop Linux without the hassle of hunting down extra's. I wonder how far this will go though? Will they remove all games that have a launcher that doesn't work in fullscreen? It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
They aren't removing the games from your library, so let's not go ringing alarm bells. However, I did say a long time ago I was worried about SteamOS becoming separated from Linux and people thought Valve wouldn't do it, I thought they wouldn't, but this could be the start for all we know. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
A user on reddit posted about ~35 titles having their SteamOS icons vanish. To quote the user:
QuoteMy last three data points are:
25/09/15 - 1521 games
09/10/15 - 1555 games
16/10/15 - 1535 games
I've checked myself, and I can see that Ticket to Ride, Anodyne, Lume, WAKFU, Starbound, Evoland, Oniken, StarMade and Defender's Quest: Valley of the Forgotten have had their icons removed. I'm not sure what other games have seen the change, as that's a lot of games to go through to find out.
I spoke with the developer of StarMade who said this:
@gamingonlinux It is because the game requires Java. When the new launcher comes out this should be resolved!
— StarMade (@star_made) October 17, 2015
I spoke with other developers, but some are still looking into why, and some asked me not to mention them here.
It makes perfect sense, you wouldn't want a new SteamOS user to find out a game that advertised SteamOS support needed some outside launcher/installer for something like adobe air, or flash or anything else that needs a fair bit of manual interaction not directly possible in the SteamOS interface.
I guess the minor issue for us here, is that people on desktop Linux can't get these games on Steam now, but they do still show in my library, and are installable. It's probably a good thing though, as it means any game with a SteamOS icon should install on desktop Linux without the hassle of hunting down extra's. I wonder how far this will go though? Will they remove all games that have a launcher that doesn't work in fullscreen? It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
They aren't removing the games from your library, so let's not go ringing alarm bells. However, I did say a long time ago I was worried about SteamOS becoming separated from Linux and people thought Valve wouldn't do it, I thought they wouldn't, but this could be the start for all we know. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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I think than Valve is just setting a quality standard for Linux games, for some reason its only needed on Linux since most of the games on macs and windows works without dramas. Its just not cool than on windows I can install and play anodyne, but on Linux I have to follow a tutorial about how to make that game works on the OS.
So yes, they are just doing what they have to do. And a tux icon would not fix anything, from now on, I would hope than if a game want to claim to support an OS (win, mac, linux or steamos), it should start without annoying workarounds.
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So yes, they are just doing what they have to do. And a tux icon would not fix anything, from now on, I would hope than if a game want to claim to support an OS (win, mac, linux or steamos), it should start without annoying workarounds.
Last edited by edo on 16 Oct 2015 at 7:03 pm UTC
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I think than Valve is just setting a quality standard for Linux games, for some reason its only needed on Linux since most of the games on macs and windows works without dramas. Its just not cool than on windows I can install and play anodyne, but on Linux I have to follow a tutorial about how to make that game works on the OS.
So yes, they are just doing what they have to do. And a tux icon would not fix anything, from now on, I would hope than if a game want to claim to support an OS (win, mac, linux or steamos), it should start without annoying workarounds.
But for example Starbound works great on desktop Linux without any configurations. Its just the launcher that requires a mouse that is the only thing i can think of as the reason for its removal.
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jayarnielsen 16 Oct 2015
I think it would also be a nice idea for the Tux icon to sit next to the SteamOS icon too.That was my thought too. Or use the SteamOS icon to mean both desktop & SteamOS, and tux means desktop only.
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Looks a bit alarming that they completely removed the icon and there is no clue now, whether this game runs on Linux..
They still run on Linux, it was just delisted from SteamOS. It's not the end of the world...
If the masses are going to take Linux seriously, having crap on their page not working while listed is just plain dumb. So thank god they are finally curating that part.
As for Oniken, screw that game. They WINE wrapped it and still had the gall to charge for it. I don't care if they list it as one on their text wall, I never would have known unless I tried the demo myself. I almost bought it too (before the refund system), yuck.
I just hope they catch the other games requiring external packages that you have to manually install because that'll piss someone off who bought the system. One example off the top of my head:
Invisible Apartment
Qt5 libraries must be installed
Free to play? Ok, but the sequels are charging money and I doubt the situation is any different:
Invisible Apartment Zero
Invisible Apartment 2
I'm not a SteamOS user, but I think it's fair to delist them if there is an issue.
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they should probably remove Rust's, honestly. hasn't run well for me in forever.
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But how am i supposed to know that it still runs on Linux when i buy the game?Looks a bit alarming that they completely removed the icon and there is no clue now, whether this game runs on Linux..They still run on Linux, it was just delisted from SteamOS. It's not the end of the world...
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I think than Valve is just setting a quality standard for Linux games, for some reason its only needed on Linux since most of the games on macs and windows works without dramas. Its just not cool than on windows I can install and play anodyne, but on Linux I have to follow a tutorial about how to make that game works on the OS.
So yes, they are just doing what they have to do. And a tux icon would not fix anything, from now on, I would hope than if a game want to claim to support an OS (win, mac, linux or steamos), it should start without annoying workarounds.
Oh, easy to tell, because in Linux you have shared-libraries, where under Windows you statically link everything. And if a lib has a bug you're stuck with that in this particular game forever.
On the other hand, using a package-manager such as Nix could help...
See http://nixos.org/ for an own distribution
I have to tinker with this sometime...
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The games that seem like they were removed are the ones that don't "Just work" (tm). I think they're improving some of their standards, which is an overall "good thing" (tm)
:)
I assume Move or Die had the icon removed too .. checking .. Yep. So games that required the install of 3rd party apps maybe? Games that don't play right out of the box.
I would like a distinction for games that support linux with elbow grease, but I'm okay with this change.
:)
I assume Move or Die had the icon removed too .. checking .. Yep. So games that required the install of 3rd party apps maybe? Games that don't play right out of the box.
I would like a distinction for games that support linux with elbow grease, but I'm okay with this change.
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I'm not arguing against a Tux logo as a placeholder for those delisted from SteamOS, or on the semantics of having both logos.But how am i supposed to know that it still runs on Linux when i buy the game?Looks a bit alarming that they completely removed the icon and there is no clue now, whether this game runs on Linux..They still run on Linux, it was just delisted from SteamOS. It's not the end of the world...
That's a separate argument entirely. E-mailing them an inquiry is more productive though.
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But how am i supposed to know that it still runs on Linux when i buy the game?I think the idea is that the developers should fix their games to actually work on SteamOS before Valve is willing to advertise them as such. Steam badly needs at least minimal quality control. If a game is for sale, it should work out of the box. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of refund requests and disappointed customers.
Oh, easy to tell, because in Linux you have shared-libraries, where under Windows you statically link everything.No you don't. Windows has shared (dll) libraries as well.
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Exactly! I mean, just because we're easy to push around, doesn't mean they can just screw up their launch event and cost them sales. It's business at the end of the day.But how am i supposed to know that it still runs on Linux when i buy the game?I think the idea is that the developers should fix their games to actually work on SteamOS before Valve is willing to advertise them as such. Steam badly needs at least minimal quality control. If a game is for sale, it should work out of the box. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of refund requests and disappointed customers.
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Oh, easy to tell, because in Linux you have shared-libraries, where under Windows you statically link everything.No you don't. Windows has shared (dll) libraries as well.
And now look how many games still ship their own static linked libraries ;)
Spoiler: A lot
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Mountain Man 16 Oct 2015
I agree with the idea of restoring the Tux icon to mean "desktop Linux only" while the SteamOS icon means "desktop Linux or SteamOS".
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I was playing these days Anodyne (on linux of course) and I was wondering why there was no steamos icon.
Anodyne plays fine on me but I remember I had to follow instructions from the arch wiki.
I think it is a good idea to separate games that do not work out of the box for steamos but I would demand tux icon back.
As long as steamos does not have compontents that can not be used on other distributions, everything is fine and it is not real separation. Also I do support the idea of big picture but all games should be playable on desktop mode too as desktop is more suitable when you are not on couch and it would be a stupid inconvinience to force big picture.
this.
I agree with the idea of restoring the Tux icon to mean "desktop Linux only" while the SteamOS icon means "desktop Linux or SteamOS".
and that too..
If it's not 100% on steamos, don't put the steamos logo
if it works (at all) on Linux tho? put tux there!
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Digging around a Steam Universe thread under the section "Games Which Don't Launch" and found more games that were delisted:
Cortext Command
Poof (have this, so can personally verify)
Well and then there is La Mulana, which technically was never listed to begin with (how long are they going to be in "beta"?).
Last edited by Keizgon on 16 Oct 2015 at 9:08 pm UTC
Cortext Command
Poof (have this, so can personally verify)
Well and then there is La Mulana, which technically was never listed to begin with (how long are they going to be in "beta"?).
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They also should remove System Shock 2, which has not been working for ages (detected as a virus at launch, lol...)
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Welp, good thing we still have GOG...
Damnit Valve, you're making it very difficult for me to like you if you act up like this.
Damnit Valve, you're making it very difficult for me to like you if you act up like this.
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Mountain Man 16 Oct 2015
@Swiftpaw
Good question.
Good question.
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Both Evoland and Defender’s Quest are in my “doesn’t work” category on Steam… So it’s a good thing they removed the icon for them. (And I don’t use SteamOS.)I agree with the evoland game it happen the same to me.
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