Wine Is Now In A Code Freeze For Wine 1.8

Still waiting for functional DX11 support. I wonder what will happen first. DX11 support in Wine, or official Witcher 3 release for Linux?

Quoting: ShmerlStill waiting for functional DX11 support. I wonder what will happen first. DX11 support in Wine, or official Witcher 3 release for Linux?

Let's hope that there will even be a Witcher3 linux release... no news from CDPR about this whatsoever. :(

Quoting: ShmerlStill waiting for functional DX11 support. I wonder what will happen first. DX11 support in Wine, or official Witcher 3 release for Linux?

I don't think this will happen at all. At this points it's obvious it's gone the way of Mad Max and Batman: Arkham Knight ports.

Quoting: KallestofelesLet's hope that there will even be a Witcher3 linux release... no news from CDPR about this whatsoever. :(

Or a GNU/Linux Galaxy client. They've said "coming soon" for well over a year - a blatant lie.

Quoting: maodzedun

Quoting: ShmerlStill waiting for functional DX11 support. I wonder what will happen first. DX11 support in Wine, or official Witcher 3 release for Linux?

I don't think this will happen at all. At this points it's obvious it's gone the way of Mad Max and Batman: Arkham Knight ports.

Is it really confirmed that neither of these titles will come to Linux though? All I've read about either one is hearsay, speculation and pessimistic assumptions.

Quoting: Feist

Quoting: maodzedunI don't think this will happen at all. At this points it's obvious it's gone the way of Mad Max and Batman: Arkham Knight ports.

Is it really confirmed that neither of these titles will come to Linux though? All I've read about either one is hearsay, speculation and pessimistic assumptions.

Werll Batman is still showing on the Feral Radar thing for mac and linux releases so I personally would assume that is still being worked on given that Feral would probably be fairly upfront if that had been cancelled.

I also assume in the case were work is being done by an external porting house such as Feral & Aspyr, that once the contract initiating the work has been signed then it is pretty much fait acompli, as most of the profit that Feral and Aspyr get is from sales of the ported product so cancellation by the original developer would I imagine if the contract is secure would result in liquidated damages due to the porter for resource costs that now will not be recouped.



Internal ports are another matter, the costs of aborting can be justified if they dont believe the long term result will be a net benefit either finacially or in the form of 'Goodwill'.


Last edited by Cmdr_Iras on 20 November 2015 at 9:04 am UTC

Quoting: FeistIs it really confirmed that neither of these titles will come to Linux though? All I've read about either one is hearsay, speculation and pessimistic assumptions.

Shmerl told in the forum that he recently got this answer from CDPR when asking aboout Witcher 3:

> We don’t have any new information unfortunately.

I cannot imagine that they would give such an answer if they never intended to port Witcher 3.
I can hardly imagine such an answer if hey would have given up on it either.
It might mean something like "We have somone trying, but are not sure it will work out."

DX11 implementation would be great. I still have faith in The Witcher 3 and on the Galaxy client Linux versions too.

Thanks!

I'd interpret that as quite hopeful for "Batman" and at least no reason to despair about TW3. That leaves "Mad Max", that as far as I know has only had a *very* unofficial notice about it's cancellation. So no use giving up yet there either. Knock on wood.

Batman makes no difference - the game is just terrible performance wise. With the typical Linux drop of performance I don't see it working out in a good way. I know most of you don't follow the Windows gaming news, so to give you an idea: you probably heard the game was pulled from the stores for 5 months so that they could "fix" it. Well - fix it they did not, as it continues to be a stuttering and crashing mess for a large part of the players. Things are so bad a few weeks back WB announce they'll give full refund to anybody who owns the game regardless of how much time they've played it. In other words, till New Year you could technically buy it, play it and then get your money back if you really wanted to. And today they officially announced there will be no SLI/Crossfire support because they couldn't muti-GPU to perform properly. Basically they're throwing in the towel.

Quoting: maodzedunBatman makes no difference - the game is just terrible performance wise...

I had heard/read that the initial release of Batman was a trainwreck performance wise, but was unaware it was still a hunk of junk. Personally Batman is of no interest to me, I just couldnt get into the combat system possibly why Im not over enamoured by Shadow of Mordor either. Now Witcher 3 that is a game I would really love to see on Linux, especially having W2 already.

To be honest - Good support of DX11 in Wine is much better for all the Linux gamers than Witcher 3 port. Why? Because if it's good you can play Witcher 3 and all other DX11 games. Of course it won't be as good as native gaming, but some of the games works on Wine better than ports.
I guess all of you remember first version of Witcher 2 port. It was just running better on Wine with CMST than nativly. For many gamers it is still true.
Yet another example is DIRT 3 Complete Edition. It does not have Linux port, but DIRT Showdown looks and behaves similar (I bet it uses same engine, but I can be wrong). Anyway DIRT 3 (through wine) works much better than DIRT Showdown (which is native). DIRT 3 works better performance wise, it does not contain bugs (while on DIRT Showdown cars don't have wheels, and VP is unable to fix it) and it does not crash (while DIRT Showdown crashes from time to time).
I don't want to blame VP, because other porting companies make their own mistakes also (Feral's Shadow of Mordor or Company of Heroes are not good performance wise, I don't own Alien Isolation so I cannot say anything here). What I want to say is, assuming that you have no problem with playing on Wine, you will have more titles available when Wine with DX11 support is out. If You have Witcher 3 port, you can just play this game, and you have no guarantee that this port will be golden.

Most important for us, Linux gamers, is to have Vulkan API implemented in all of the popular engines. Then let's see what happens. Until that moment, Wine can be good option for many of us.

And one last sentence - I wish all of us all of the stuff that was discussed here - good DX11 support in Wine, Native linux port of Witcher 3, and Vulkan API released and implemented in all of the popular engines. And I wish it happens soon.

Quoting: wojtek88(while on DIRT Showdown cars don't have wheels, and VP is unable to fix it) and it does not crash (while DIRT Showdown crashes from time to time).

Never got such bugs, dirt showdown is very stable.

Quoting: wojtek88To be honest - Good support of DX11 in Wine is much better for all the Linux gamers than Witcher 3 port. Why? Because if it's good you can play Witcher 3 and all other DX11 games. Of course it won't be as good as native gaming, but some of the games works on Wine better than ports.
I guess all of you remember first version of Witcher 2 port. It was just running better on Wine with CMST than nativly. For many gamers it is still true.

Let's not forget Killing Floor. KF1 has game modes that are unplayable using the GNU/Linux port, but run perfectly fine under Wine.

Quoting: wojtek88Yet another example is DIRT 3 Complete Edition. It does not have Linux port, but DIRT Showdown looks and behaves similar (I bet it uses same engine, but I can be wrong). Anyway DIRT 3 (through wine) works much better than DIRT Showdown (which is native). DIRT 3 works better performance wise, it does not contain bugs (while on DIRT Showdown cars don't have wheels, and VP is unable to fix it) and it does not crash (while DIRT Showdown crashes from time to time).

Well to be fair, DIRT 3 originally had issues with GFWL. When the Complete Edition came out that solved those headaches, they also introduced a soft dependency on DirectX11. You need to manually disable d3d11-related libraries in winecfg or it doesn't run at all. Not exactly a shining example of Wine... but at least you can get it running, which is the most important thing.

Quoting: wojtek88What I want to say is, assuming that you have no problem with playing on Wine, you will have more titles available when Wine with DX11 support is out. If You have Witcher 3 port, you can just play this game, and you have no guarantee that

Agreed. In the short term, getting those big DirectX-based AAA titles that may never have a GNU/Linux port (and certainly never have a port with performance on par to Windows anyway) running is the most desirable thing - at least from the standpoint of the power user.

Even just from the standpoint of someone who is sick of missing out on day one releases... on many occasions I have finished games like Spec Ops: The Line, Dead Island: Riptide and Outlast back around launch thanks to Wine - before a GNU/Linux version was even announced. There's the rumour that Dishonored might be coming to GNU/Linux, but I finished that under Wine back in Jan last year. I'd much rather good Wine compatibility than titles that perform slow and required waiting an extra two years for!


Last edited by boltronics on 20 November 2015 at 11:29 am UTC

Quoting: sigz

Quoting: wojtek88(while on DIRT Showdown cars don't have wheels, and VP is unable to fix it) and it does not crash (while DIRT Showdown crashes from time to time).

Never got such bugs, dirt showdown is very stable.

Same, it runs pretty good for me. I can crash the game in the menu if I select the wrong option after a race (the option related to posting a challenge to a friend maybe) and then quickly hit the escape button - instant crash. But otherwise it's been quite stable and I haven't seen missing wheels or anything.

Having said that, it's only playable on my GTX 660M (at 2560x1440) at minimum detail settings, so lots of things are already missing (such as the crowds). If I add extra detail, it's just too slow. That might be why I haven't seen any problems with it.


Last edited by boltronics on 20 November 2015 at 11:34 am UTC

Want to know if there will be Wine-staging 1.7.56, 1.7.57 etc during this code freeze?

I actually do not care at all about dx11 on wine. I only use wine for legacy programms (especially LackeyCCG) and dx11 seems to me completely unrelevant and just hope for native support and for Vulkan.

Quoting: maodzedunI don't think this will happen at all. At this points it's obvious it's gone the way of Mad Max and Batman: Arkham Knight ports.

Not really. I contacted them recently, and they said they don't have additional info to what they already said (that they are working on it). Of course, they can easily stop doing it at any time, but so far they didn't say they stopped.

Keep in mind, that developing Linux version of their REDengine can be a long term investment for them, since it can be used in Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3 both. So I'm slightly hopeful that they are waiting for Vulkan to come out to use the cutting edge technology.


Last edited by Shmerl on 20 November 2015 at 3:46 pm UTC

To all those wondering about dx11 in wine: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2940470/hey-gamers-directx-11-is-coming-to-linux-thanks-to-codeweavers-and-wine.html

Basically Crossover will get it first then trickle into wine down the road

Quoting: dtoebeTo all those wondering about dx11 in wine: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2940470/hey-gamers-directx-11-is-coming-to-linux-thanks-to-codeweavers-and-wine.html

Basically Crossover will get it first then trickle into wine down the road

Yeah, they said it would happen towards the end of the year. But it doesn't seem likely. The question is, when will it happen? 2% here for d3dx11 doesn't look very promising: https://www.winehq.org/winapi_stats


Last edited by Shmerl on 20 November 2015 at 4:08 pm UTC