I came across a rather interesting video today about DoubleFine and Psychonauts 2, to be clear this isn't our video, but it's worth a watch. My trust in DoubleFine was already very low after Spacebase, and now I'm really not sure what to think.
If you go to the video on Youtube, all his sources are linked in the description.
Considering how DoubleFine manage to screw up rather often, like spending too much money, or outright cancelling games and just pushing them out as they are (Spacebase), this doesn't surprise me.
It's yet another reason I don't personally crowdfund anything, there's too much risk, and too much you're not being told. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Considering how DoubleFine manage to screw up rather often, like spending too much money, or outright cancelling games and just pushing them out as they are (Spacebase), this doesn't surprise me.
It's yet another reason I don't personally crowdfund anything, there's too much risk, and too much you're not being told. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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ChloeWolfieGirl Jan 1, 2016
I wanted to back Psyconauts 2, I hadn't backed anything they've made but I heard people disappointed about 2 games that they made with crowd funding, I do hope this gets them on track, you fail, you learn, but sometimes it takes you a few falls to learn that lesson, but I'm not willing to throw money at someone whos got such a falling background.
I'll defiantly pick up Psyconauts 2 if reviews are good, but I dont want to throw my money at it till I'm sure which is sad because I REALLY like Psyconauts 1.
I do back things from crowd funding stuff but I try looking at more realistic stuff and from people I trust such as yooka laylee from the old rare guys, I trust them guys and the thing looks realistic especially since they already had a beta hub up!
I'll defiantly pick up Psyconauts 2 if reviews are good, but I dont want to throw my money at it till I'm sure which is sad because I REALLY like Psyconauts 1.
I do back things from crowd funding stuff but I try looking at more realistic stuff and from people I trust such as yooka laylee from the old rare guys, I trust them guys and the thing looks realistic especially since they already had a beta hub up!
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Kwaadpepper Jan 2, 2016
Woaw, seeing this, and i watched the whole, video... I've never crowdfund anything yet, and now for sure I would never. I'm seeing for years how publishers like EA are raping people, games and games makers, I feel this is a new type of raping people. Again how can we trust so much what we see on the internet these days. I sure won't buy/fund this game.
I think we just should buy/fund some real work and serious or a least, I will continue to buy finished products even outdated considering some game not worthing their price.
Still shocked about this video, thanks to this guy which provides some real investigation here !
Last edited by Kwaadpepper on 2 January 2016 at 12:23 am UTC
I think we just should buy/fund some real work and serious or a least, I will continue to buy finished products even outdated considering some game not worthing their price.
Still shocked about this video, thanks to this guy which provides some real investigation here !
Last edited by Kwaadpepper on 2 January 2016 at 12:23 am UTC
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After a quick look at the other videos on the channel (typical gamergate/anti-sarkeesian stuff) I don't think I will give any kind of interest to this video...
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I said this when Fig was first announced, before any cowdfunding projects were put on it: Fig is a ticking legal time-bomb just waiting to explode. I'm not touching anything on that platform ever, much less a Double Fine project, which carries with it a significant conflict of interest (the people running the crowdfunding campaign are some of the same people that run the crowdfunding platform). This is a sham and I should feel bad for all the people that give Tim Schafer money up front, but I don't, because if you're a sucker then you deserve to lose your money.
Tim Schafer has been involved in making some of my favorite games ever and if Psychonauts 2 is indeed finished and lives up to the legacy of its predecesor, then I will gladly buy it. I will not, however, ever give Tim Schafer any money up front ever again (I was one of the suckers that crowdfunded Broken Age and got a disappointing game several years late). It's not necessarily anything nefarious, but Tim has proven that he cannot be trusted to manage money and resources.
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Tim Schafer has been involved in making some of my favorite games ever and if Psychonauts 2 is indeed finished and lives up to the legacy of its predecesor, then I will gladly buy it. I will not, however, ever give Tim Schafer any money up front ever again (I was one of the suckers that crowdfunded Broken Age and got a disappointing game several years late). It's not necessarily anything nefarious, but Tim has proven that he cannot be trusted to manage money and resources.
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metro2033fanboy Jan 2, 2016
In Double fine we trust!
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psycho_driver Jan 2, 2016
Ouch. Hopefully it isn't as bad as he's painting it, though I'm sure it has the potential to be.
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SketchStick Jan 2, 2016
I'm just disappointed that you felt this warranted an article, this is not gaming news...
The video can be summarized as:
- The business is shielding themselves from liability when handling other peoples money
- They are paying for their expenses before passing on the profits
- They've already invested a bunch into the company and would like to recoup those initial costs
Also I'm getting a little tired of people trying to paint Double Fine in a bad light when Spacebase DF-9 was the only game they failed to deliver.
The video can be summarized as:
- The business is shielding themselves from liability when handling other peoples money
- They are paying for their expenses before passing on the profits
- They've already invested a bunch into the company and would like to recoup those initial costs
Also I'm getting a little tired of people trying to paint Double Fine in a bad light when Spacebase DF-9 was the only game they failed to deliver.
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This is a hatchet job of a video. He makes some pretty shakey statements there.
Would Doublefine have been able to make a Broken Age for $400,000. Well no, but it wasn't going to be Broken Age for $400,000. It would have been more a Hack 'n' Slash game for that money. Also, how can the guy not understand the concept of stretch goals?
(Doublefine do great work, they support Linux and Mac on day one and lets not forget that all games companies miss deadlines and cancel projects.)
Last edited by neffo on 2 January 2016 at 10:25 am UTC
Would Doublefine have been able to make a Broken Age for $400,000. Well no, but it wasn't going to be Broken Age for $400,000. It would have been more a Hack 'n' Slash game for that money. Also, how can the guy not understand the concept of stretch goals?
(Doublefine do great work, they support Linux and Mac on day one and lets not forget that all games companies miss deadlines and cancel projects.)
Last edited by neffo on 2 January 2016 at 10:25 am UTC
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I don't see anything in the video that shouldn't have been immediately obvious from the campaign itself and common logic. It's crowd funding; you're donating to the development of a product that may or may not live up to your expectations and may not even ever be finished. Nothing new here.
Regarding Double Fine's previous two funding rounds, Broken Age eventually came out and despite not being the greatest game ever, if one could wait a bit before playing the first part, it was quite an enjoyable experience overall. The documentary that was part of the deal was also consistently excellent and definitely worth the cost of backing in itself.
Space Base was a mess, but I still got about the same amounts of actual fun out of it as I have with most other games, so I don't personally consider it a complete failure. It's also still being developed further by community members / Derelict Games and a patch was released October 2015. JP LeBreton, who was in charge of the game, is also no longer with Double Fine, so that's something to consider.
Regarding Double Fine's previous two funding rounds, Broken Age eventually came out and despite not being the greatest game ever, if one could wait a bit before playing the first part, it was quite an enjoyable experience overall. The documentary that was part of the deal was also consistently excellent and definitely worth the cost of backing in itself.
Space Base was a mess, but I still got about the same amounts of actual fun out of it as I have with most other games, so I don't personally consider it a complete failure. It's also still being developed further by community members / Derelict Games and a patch was released October 2015. JP LeBreton, who was in charge of the game, is also no longer with Double Fine, so that's something to consider.
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Broken age came out and it was a good game.
Massive Chalice came out and it was a good game.
If you don't like DF, then don't support them. The people who love their games will continue to support them.
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Massive Chalice came out and it was a good game.
If you don't like DF, then don't support them. The people who love their games will continue to support them.
Last edited by Liam Dawe on 2 January 2016 at 9:19 am UTC
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