Garry Newman of Rust and Garry's Mod regrets supporting Linux

And thats entirely correct statment. It his opinion. Its not worth for him to support our platform. I dont see anything wrong in there. People really want to make so much drama about every post he makes about linux.

When I think about it, I only have put something like 1 hour or so in Garry's Mod since I bought it 2 years ago. If I could do it again I'd have never bought it.

About Rust... Well I don't buy games on indefinite early access. I don't buy MMO either. And finally the concept's execution and the community are so silly altogether that I just can't get interested in this in the slightest.

When survival means running naked avoiding snipers...

As a comparison, I'd be much more interested in trying out Ark...

And thats entirely correct statment. It his opinion. Its not worth for him to support our platform. I dont see anything wrong in there. People really want to make so much drama about every post he makes about linux.

Why should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.

There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 28 Jan 2016 at 9:39 am UTC

He may not do it again, but atleast he was within the movement to start developing games for linux. He contributed to the games that are available today, on SteamOS and linux.

I may not play them much myself, he did contribute towards other people developing their games for linux.

Anyway GamingOnLinux thank you for being my source of linux gaming news, my first comment here so I thought I would say hello! :P

Why should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.

There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.

And random internet name calling is never helpful either. It again shows how hostile/toxic linux community is.
And Linux is Small thats the fact. This game is also in Early Access (be it there forever or not).

I'm not defending Garry, he is what he is, but linux community seems to be too emotional about it.

there are countless games that arent early access and not work on linux or work really bad. And when devs dont say anything at all its a lot worse imo, it shows that they dont even know that they released a game on linux.


my 2 cents.. im too lazy to argue

Why should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.

There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.

And random internet name calling is never helpful either. It again shows how hostile/toxic linux community is.
And Linux is Small thats the fact. This game is also in Early Access (be it there forever or not).

I'm not defending Garry, he is what he is, but linux community seems to be too emotional about it.

there are countless games that arent early access and not work on linux or work really bad. And when devs dont say anything at all its a lot worse imo, it shows that they dont even know that they released a game on linux.


my 2 cents.. im too lazy to argue

No one here is name calling, simple pointing things out. There's nothing hostile here so far from anyone.

People are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.

We also point out other games that have bad support, this is nothing new. I like to warn people, money is important (at least it is to me), and I would rather put money towards a supportive developer.

Also, people should be allowed to complain about things they buy, it's part of life.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 28 Jan 2016 at 10:00 am UTC

Never heard of him.

I'm not sure anyone should be giving this one-hit wonder any publicity, it makes it seem like his opinions have any value at all.

Of course Linux is not worthwile for all developers. In some cases it causes more trouble than profit. He's just one of those ones. Nothing wrong with that. As long as he didn't insult anyone, it's fine, it's his opinion and it's a legit one in his case.

I think for some things, it is a matter of opinion, but i believe that most of the time, the answer is dicted by common sense.
I also think it is the case of how we should "considere" GNU/Linux.
I think that common sense, with little thinking, lead to considering GNU/Linux as the standard OS. Even if we all now that informaly microsoft windows is leading the market share.
Because it seem evident, and out of discussion, that the actual situation is everything but ideal.
And it seem also evident, with little thinking, that free software should be the norm, the standard, the rule, and proprietary software should be the exception.

A develloper can wether chose to be pragmatic, or to do the right thing to do. Because yes, i think that in almost any situation there's a choice to do, that can tend to an ideal of how the world should be, or something else that can beconsidered as a mistake.

So a developper can wether support GNU/Linux, wether not. He can make his work for him, for money, trying to target people with marketing and all that bullshit, or he can make it for the community, for the people to enjoy it.(remember kids, money comes in second place, not first)

Porting your game on GNU/Linux as a developper means : "I want anybody on earth that would want to play my game, to be able to do so". Because it is NOT normal to accept the license proposed by microsoft, and only free software can be imagined as a standard plateforme openned to everyone.

Didn't you guys, forgot why you went on GNU/Linux ? You did it for the technical aspect ? So you can customize your desktop ? Your system ? run command lines in root ? That's cool and i like to be free to do so if i want to on my system, but honestly, that 's not essential(i don't really give a damn fuck to be honest).
The ethic aspect seems much much much much more revelant to me. And further more, it is the reason why we have so much flexibility, choice, and even the reason why our software is BETTER in every aspect than proprietary one. as it is not defective by design ...


To end that confused monologues, I think "we" do not just want to play on a different system. We want informatic that is ethic, i am wrong ?
Because if you're pragmatic, i think you should go back on windows. Only my personal toughs, thanks for reading.

Stuff like this belongs on the forums. GOL front page should be about the good stuff coming to Linux.

I disagree. That would just be positive reinforcment. I like how this site shows the good and bad in a (mostly) neutral light. I say mostly, because there are occasional editorials, and that's what editorials are for. Opinion.

As for Garry, he got £1 of my money for Garry's Mod on a winter sale about 8 years ago and I haven't touched anything by him or Facepunch since. He's made it clear over and over that he has blinkers only for Windows and nothing else matters. Facepunch is all about the money and while many will argue that all businesses are, there has be room for ethics, corporate responsibility and positive culture - Facepunch has shown a scarcity of all three.

That doesn't make me toxic, by the way. I'm simply avoiding a shitty company who make shitty products.


Last edited by scaine on 28 Jan 2016 at 10:26 am UTC

I disagree. That would just be positive reinforcment. I like how this site shows the good and bad in a (mostly) neutral light. I say mostly, because there are occasional editorials, and that's what editorials are for. Opinion.

+1

About this developer: Fortunately, he didn't make a game I care for. If he would, he wouldn't get my money neither if he doesn't port.

I didn't buy one of his game. But Garry should not forget linux gamers paid for his games, it's too late to regret, he has to satisfy them, he is engaged.


Last edited by legluondunet on 28 Jan 2016 at 10:51 am UTC

That's fine, no one is forcing him to.

What would be useful is constructive criticism. It behooves us as a community to make creating and maintaining Linux ports easier for all developers.

He is not the first developer talking about issues with Unity3D and Linux, a lot of developers spoke about those issues already. One of them was Obsidian, so the creators of PoE. inXile has noted things like that on the forums, so do the SotA developers. So there seem to be quite some issues for Unity in Linux which need to be worked around, which are costs, and costs which probably are not paid for by our sales. So the thing to hope for is better support of the Engines in this particular case.

In the end, it was experience they gathered. That it was not worth it is part of the experience, so it was the right thing to do, even if the resume isn't good (for us and them, since it obviously didn't pay off).

We're a niche, and I think we can accept that, even if we'd like to see more and more games on Linux rather than less.


Last edited by STiAT on 28 Jan 2016 at 11:45 am UTC

We have 1800+ games on Linux on Steam alone, if it's not worth it people explain me why Capcom is joining too? Why Valve designed a console around Linux? We don't have to go back and prove what as already been proven, this guy lives in the past and will disappear with it.

People are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.
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The whole toxic Linux community thing is way to overblown. Seriously I have been around on various forums and hardly ever encountered the kind of snobbery or condescension that some claimed. Interestingly the only people who have said this are usually transitioning windows users who don’t even do ANY research to begin with even though they have the most powerful search engines humans ever created right under their noses.

Then there was an old guy on youtube who actually took youtube comments seriously and quit Linux ... for about a week.


Last edited by on 28 Jan 2016 at 11:55 am UTC

I used to not buy his games because they didn't interest me. Now I'm not buying them on general principle.

Why should we support someone who constantly belittles the platform we are trying to help grow? His comments are never helpful, never productive and all it does is fuel anti-Linux hate in his circles.

There's many better ways to go about it, like not saying it, or explaining it in a better way. He knows this, he chooses to be like how he is because Linux is small so he doesn't really care.

And random internet name calling is never helpful either. It again shows how hostile/toxic linux community is.
And Linux is Small thats the fact. This game is also in Early Access (be it there forever or not).

I'm not defending Garry, he is what he is, but linux community seems to be too emotional about it.

there are countless games that arent early access and not work on linux or work really bad. And when devs dont say anything at all its a lot worse imo, it shows that they dont even know that they released a game on linux.


my 2 cents.. im too lazy to argue

No one here is name calling, simple pointing things out. There's nothing hostile here so far from anyone.

People are too quick to play the "toxic linux community" card, it's not. Every community has toxicity, but there's a certain level of respect people should show, of which Garry has none for anyone using Linux as repeatedly shown by his comments.

We also point out other games that have bad support, this is nothing new. I like to warn people, money is important (at least it is to me), and I would rather put money towards a supportive developer.

Also, people should be allowed to complain about things they buy, it's part of life.

You attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

You also incite a boycott against him for his opinion which isn't helping either. You're giving indie developers a vibe of 'support linux, or else...' which is not the way forward.

I'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

We use Linux because it's simply the best thing out there and that should be our angle on this. He may disagree; he's butt ugly and stupid, but there's no need to put anyone on display like that. If he has legitimate complaints about the platform, let him state them openly so that we can either debunk or help resolve the issue. Other than that, just leave it; the market will sort him out, just like it did for Id Software.

I have bought the game myself, but not really played it as I'm too old for sandbox now. I can barely remember a time when Garry's Mod wasn't in the TOP10 bestselling tab on steam. OK the game might be featured cause its published by Valve, but that is also true for about 2 dozen of other games. Concluding: From a financial POV the game has a really high cashflow in the linux game market.